First cycle for a female

Mrpumped · 09-22-2008, 10:14 PM

What would be better for a first cycle for a female 10mg per day of anavar or 10mg per day of winny? Her diet is perfect and she trains really hard. She's looking to add some definition but doesn't want to look manly in any way. Your help is greatly appreciated.

NubianBeauty · 09-22-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrpumped

What would be better for a first cycle for a female 10mg per day of anavar or 10mg per day of winny? Her diet is perfect and she trains really hard. She's looking to add some definition but doesn't want to look manly in any way. Your help is greatly appreciated.

FYI NO woman wants to look manly in any way...capiche? Well, except for those who are gay and like that look or those who actually want to be men.

Just for a generic answer w/o any details: any woman who decides to use AAS should ALWAYS opt for Ox as the first...

Mrpumped · 09-23-2008, 12:07 AM

Thanks NB. Is there anything else she should be concerned about using OX and is there anything else she should get in the form of supps etc.. to use along with the OX?

NubianBeauty · 09-23-2008, 12:22 AM

Whenever using orals its always good to use a liver supp... Tylers from the AF Store is a good one. It lowered my levels when they were sky high! I've known quite a few women who lost hair and had nose bleeds on Ox so tell her to keep an eye out for those sides and shedding hair. Maybe condition your hair more before starting it and during.

sassy69 · 09-23-2008, 03:51 AM

Also suggest acidophilus - some women get yeast infections / vaginosis from things that throw off the balance of good & bad bacteria "down there". Yogurt is a good source of active cultures, but the extra cals & sugar can blow a tight diet - so acidophilus is a good option.

For hair - I think the hairloss & nose bleeds are not uncommon, but not common. Nizoral shampoo ( you can get it at any drug store or grocery store near the dandruff shampoo) helps w/ hairloss use E3D if you see any hairloss - reduces impact of DHT present in the body & its impact on male pattern balding / hairloss. It also can be used as a body wash for acne.

Also know that your cholesterol will go up some - this is typical of any AAS, and as NB noted, high blood pressure can be present (thus the nose bleeds) so be aware of that as well.

Other sides very common are swelling "down there" and increased sensitivity, possibly a scratchy throat (most likely not, but not impossible), acne, oily skin, interrupted menstrual cycle).

Also be aware that the detection time (clearing time) for anavar is 3 weeks - so if her period stops during the cycle, it will most likely come back after the following 3 weeks after the last dose.

And a final note about lifting - you'll notice strength increase in a few weeks but pay attention to not going crazy seeing how much you can lift - your muscle strength can increase - not your joint & tendon strength so let your body adjust and be aware that there are weak links in the chain.

WonderWoman · 09-23-2008, 08:25 AM

You know I always wonder what trying something would do to my physique and strength. CURIOUSITY. I was talking to someone yesterday at the gym and he is always harping this on me. I just wonder "what if"... but I am a big chicken and although I don't have any addictions, lol.. I think if I like the results I can become addicted.. just like with chocolate or coffee, not that I would need it but I would just love the results so much.

Like with training and such, when you see amazing results you come back for more and more,

but again I am a big chicken and I am the hold my hand type. I probably would only go down this road with proper guidance and hand holding.. Yes again I am a big Chicken

SaladFork · 09-23-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WonderWoman

You know I always wonder what trying something would do to my physique and strength. CURIOUSITY. I was talking to someone yesterday at the gym and he is always harping this on me. I just wonder "what if"... but I am a big chicken and although I don't have any addictions, lol.. I think if I like the results I can become addicted.. just like with chocolate or coffee, not that I would need it but I would just love the results so much.

Like with training and such, when you see amazing results you come back for more and more,

but again I am a big chicken and I am the hold my hand type. I probably would only go down this road with proper guidance and hand holding.. Yes again I am a big Chicken

You have genetics hun, no need to go that road. If you did want to take that road, this would be the right place for the hand holding.

NWMUSCLE · 09-23-2008, 04:53 PM

The Var would be safer for a woman than winny by far IMO.
And as stated above Nizoral shampoo no need to bother with the liver supps if you use the Var either.

Take care.

NubianBeauty · 09-23-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SaladFork

You have genetics hun, no need to go that road.

Hmmm so are you saying only people who have shitty genetics use AAS?

NubianBeauty · 09-23-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WonderWoman

I think if I like the results I can become addicted.. just like with chocolate or coffee, not that I would need it but I would just love the results so much.

It is addictive WW... I think most who use AAS will tell you this. So stay away!!!

NWMUSCLE · 09-23-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NubianBeauty

It is addictive WW... I think most who use AAS will tell you this. So stay away!!!

I would truly say they are addictive especially when you are older and your natty production has begun to drop!
Many may argue the point, but it is the ONLY thing that I would ever say I was close to being addicted to.

NubianBeauty · 09-23-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NWMUSCLE

I would truly say they are addictive especially when you are older and your natty production has begun to drop!
Many may argue the point, but it is the ONLY thing that I would ever say I was close to being addicted to.

DITTO!!! For me its more to do with muscle recovery (@ least it's what I tell myself

)... I absolutely hate to be off because I can't train as much. I hate the deflated look too... you know when you're 'on' you have that constant pump. Everything looks better, even my skin! LOL!

SaladFork · 09-23-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NubianBeauty

Hmmm so are you saying only people who have shitty genetics use AAS?

Not at all, I was complimenting her on her genetics saying she doesn't need them. But if she wants to go that road, this would be the place for help.

NubianBeauty · 09-23-2008, 06:57 PM

Gotcha!

Mrpumped · 09-23-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WonderWoman

You know I always wonder what trying something would do to my physique and strength. CURIOUSITY. I was talking to someone yesterday at the gym and he is always harping this on me. I just wonder "what if"... but I am a big chicken and although I don't have any addictions, lol.. I think if I like the results I can become addicted.. just like with chocolate or coffee, not that I would need it but I would just love the results so much.

Like with training and such, when you see amazing results you come back for more and more,

but again I am a big chicken and I am the hold my hand type. I probably would only go down this road with proper guidance and hand holding.. Yes again I am a big Chicken

With your genetics you would look great if you did use them.

Mrpumped · 09-23-2008, 08:10 PM

I have got to thank you muchachas mucho for the info.

makavelli · 09-24-2008, 01:13 PM

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Mrpumped Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 26599	First cycle for a female What would be better for a first cycle for a female 10mg per day of anavar or 10mg per day of winny? Her diet is perfect and she trains really hard. She's looking to add some definition but doesn't want to look manly in any way. Your help is greatly appreciated. __________________ Discipline is key!

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Mrpumped Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 26599	Thanks NB. Is there anything else she should be concerned about using OX and is there anything else she should get in the form of supps etc.. to use along with the OX? __________________ Discipline is key!

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NWMUSCLE Proud American Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,584 Rep Power: 94785	The Var would be safer for a woman than winny by far IMO. And as stated above Nizoral shampoo no need to bother with the liver supps if you use the Var either. Take care. __________________ "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." Flavius Vegitius Renatus

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Mrpumped Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 1,638 Rep Power: 26599	I have got to thank you muchachas mucho for the info. __________________ Discipline is key!

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09-23-2008, 12:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
NubianBeauty Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 8,473 Rep Power: 117142	Whenever using orals its always good to use a liver supp... Tylers from the AF Store is a good one. It lowered my levels when they were sky high! I've known quite a few women who lost hair and had nose bleeds on Ox so tell her to keep an eye out for those sides and shedding hair. Maybe condition your hair more before starting it and during.

09-23-2008, 03:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
sassy69 Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,560 Rep Power: 347519	Also suggest acidophilus - some women get yeast infections / vaginosis from things that throw off the balance of good & bad bacteria "down there". Yogurt is a good source of active cultures, but the extra cals & sugar can blow a tight diet - so acidophilus is a good option. For hair - I think the hairloss & nose bleeds are not uncommon, but not common. Nizoral shampoo ( you can get it at any drug store or grocery store near the dandruff shampoo) helps w/ hairloss use E3D if you see any hairloss - reduces impact of DHT present in the body & its impact on male pattern balding / hairloss. It also can be used as a body wash for acne. Also know that your cholesterol will go up some - this is typical of any AAS, and as NB noted, high blood pressure can be present (thus the nose bleeds) so be aware of that as well. Other sides very common are swelling "down there" and increased sensitivity, possibly a scratchy throat (most likely not, but not impossible), acne, oily skin, interrupted menstrual cycle). Also be aware that the detection time (clearing time) for anavar is 3 weeks - so if her period stops during the cycle, it will most likely come back after the following 3 weeks after the last dose. And a final note about lifting - you'll notice strength increase in a few weeks but pay attention to not going crazy seeing how much you can lift - your muscle strength can increase - not your joint & tendon strength so let your body adjust and be aware that there are weak links in the chain.

09-23-2008, 08:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
WonderWoman In search of Manly YOKE Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jersey! Posts: 4,206 Rep Power: 511572	You know I always wonder what trying something would do to my physique and strength. CURIOUSITY. I was talking to someone yesterday at the gym and he is always harping this on me. I just wonder "what if"... but I am a big chicken and although I don't have any addictions, lol.. I think if I like the results I can become addicted.. just like with chocolate or coffee, not that I would need it but I would just love the results so much. Like with training and such, when you see amazing results you come back for more and more, but again I am a big chicken and I am the hold my hand type. I probably would only go down this road with proper guidance and hand holding.. Yes again I am a big Chicken

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