Another women and deca question

FIF · 06-15-2008, 04:50 PM

Hey guys,

I have a female friend(my wife's friend) that has been hounding me about using deca. She has never used AAS before and I totally discouraged her from going this route. I told her all the bad things that could happen and how serious it is.

It did nothing....so I stopped talking to her about but asking me every weekend for 2 years wore me down. She was about to get some from some guy at her gym and asked me about it. Finally I said ok well I will ask and get dose clarification.

So i am presenting it to the forum. She wants advise on dosage and how to best maximize her physique. She seems to be gifted genetically(imo).

She works out 3x a week for 45-1hr. each week focusing on the major muscle groups. She has phenomenal development. She has a good diet and quite lean 13% body fat. She has 6 pack abs that are well defined.
She Is 5'7 140 pounds but wants gain 5lbs of solid muscle mainly in her legs and glutes.

I know alot of you will chime in on how bad it would be for her to take this compound....and I agree! I have warned her and she has done her research. I also let her read some of the comments that have been posted here So she is well aware that she is selling her soul once she goes down the this path.

Please advise...

Fif

IFBB PRO · 06-15-2008, 05:00 PM

There are steroids that could complement her, Deca isnt one of them unless she wont mind shaving, she sounds like she has great potental , but is inpatient , in this case maybe a little anivar and clen , i think winstrol is enouther drug a female can use reativly safely

Immortalis · 06-15-2008, 05:04 PM

Im with the pro - some clen and var would be the route id send her.

Blut Wump · 06-15-2008, 05:42 PM

I'll move this to the women's discussion area.

One thing to bear very strongly in mind with deca is that it has a long half life. When (if) sides hit and she decides that her gruff voice and swelling genitalia aren't what she envisioned from running steroids then it'll take weeks for the gear to clear and, meanwhile, the sides will continue to worsen.

NubianBeauty · 06-15-2008, 06:35 PM

I will say this one last time... Winstrol is NOT absolutely NOT something a woman could use w/o sides! It is a VERY strong anabolic when it comes to women. When a woman can grow on 2-4mg of Winny no way can you say it's mild. Now Ox is another story.

FIF anyway she can get Ox? I would rather her start with NPP before Deca since the half-life is so long so if sides start it'll take a while for them to subside.

sassy69 · 06-15-2008, 08:12 PM

Tell her to do her research as well... if she's obsessing about deca that tells me that's exactly all she knows about steroids. Deca is not one of the top options I'd recommend for a woman. If she wants to play on the dark side she should at least be aware of the compounds out there and the sides that come w/ them.

5 lb of lean muscle mass can come easily from an optimized diet & training.

FIF · 06-15-2008, 10:43 PM

We sat here and read all your responses together....
Anavar was her first choice.
But she cant get it for another 2 weeks and she is hoping that since her diet is in order pretty much she can train hard for 10 weeks and start the growth period.

Thanks for all your input.

Since NPP is an injectable for everyday how much would she take along with anavar?

This is her question.

Fif

sassy69 · 06-15-2008, 10:47 PM

How about run the var first - if you stack them w/o knowing how you react to each individually, kinda dicey, no? Basic rule of thumb - don't stack stuff until you know how you react to each.

FIF · 06-15-2008, 10:54 PM

She say's ok and thank you Sassy! By the way she loves your myspace photos(lol)

Anyway, she can get npp first and anavar later.....if she had to take Npp how would she dose it?
Which ever one she can get first she wants to do....(I hated writing that). She is turning 30yrs old and feels like she has given plenty of time to the natural and diet thing...

Again thanks for all your input and patience.

Do realize also that I am writing this because she is INSISTENT on me doing this....so many thanks..

Fif

Gettinripped · 06-16-2008, 10:19 AM

tell her to quit being an impatient baby and worry about her future. temporary gains and changes in her body composition are not worth the possible irreversible sides that she could encounter from a compound like deca.

if she only has to wait 2 more weeks to get the ox, then so be it.

my guess is she's a very attractive young female. looking good and wanting that little edge. can't fault here for that, we all want that, it's human nature.

but imho, rushing into to something, cuz "she can't wait 2 weeks" for a safer and more proven woman's compound, is totally immature.

i'm still a novice by my own rights. i've only run 2 cycles in 2 years and I, being a male, am still afraid of deca due to the sides talked about.

if she is truly interested in her health, she will take the experienced advice of some great women here and quit being so damn impatient.

NubianBeauty · 06-16-2008, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gettinripped

if she only has to wait 2 more weeks to get the ox, then so be it.

YES! I agree... just wait! It's only 2 weeks?? She can start with 10mg Var and keep it there for then entire cycle. She does not need to start stacking drugs when she hasn't even used any AAS yet. My rule is before you stack drugs you should have used them by themselves first. So IMO she would do a 10 wk cycle of Var then a cycle of NPP... then possibly stack those 2 only @ a later time.

Nikkita · 06-25-2008, 05:14 PM

I can personally tell you that deca isn't a way to go, it is very difficult to assess a proper dosage for a female and sides ocurr fast... she'll sure need an antiandrogen if she gets that way.

Temple · 06-28-2008, 12:45 PM

The ONLY thing I liked about deca was the way it made my joints feel. Retained a boat load of water on it, tended to gain fat along with muscle and overall hated what it did to my body. Var or even winny at really low doses are better choices. Its been a long time for me but real var was an issue even from reputable sources back when I was using it, when tested it turned out to be winny...don't know what the status of var is now.

sassy69 · 06-28-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Temple

The ONLY thing I liked about deca was the way it made my joints feel. Retained a boat load of water on it, tended to gain fat along with muscle and overall hated what it did to my body. Var or even winny at really low doses are better choices. Its been a long time for me but real var was an issue even from reputable sources back when I was using it, when tested it turned out to be winny...don't know what the status of var is now.

I think you're talking about a particular UG that hasn't been around in a few yrs now. I haven't heard of that particular fake approach in a while now.

FIF · 07-02-2008, 04:43 PM

Update....

She started out at 10mgs of var and she is beyond happy...she is really really showing lean muscle development. She has been hitting the gym hard and consistant. She wants to up the dose because she doesnt feel any sides at all. She been doing a lot of leg excercises and ab work.

She is sticking to a strict diet, taking protien, and cut out most all sugar and useless carbs.
I can already see some changes but they are subtle. Like her definition is on point.

She is looking forward to better development in the next few weeks.

sassy69 · 07-02-2008, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIF

Update....

She started out at 10mgs of var and she is beyond happy...she is really really showing lean muscle development. She has been hitting the gym hard and consistant. She wants to up the dose because she doesnt feel any sides at all. She been doing a lot of leg excercises and ab work.

She is sticking to a strict diet, taking protien, and cut out most all sugar and useless carbs.
I can already see some changes but they are subtle. Like her definition is on point.

She is looking forward to better development in the next few weeks.

Glad to hear!

jaleena · 07-02-2008, 05:07 PM

Very cool that she's happy

But...since the point is to see results, and not to see side effects, why would she up the dose? Sounds like she lucked into a sweet spot there, no point in chasing side effects if the intended effects are already showing.
Plus, side effects build...from the dates of your posts, she's been on for maybe a week? What she's not seeing any of now might start to come up subtly after a month or so at the same dose.

sassy69 · 07-02-2008, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaleena

Very cool that she's happy

06-15-2008, 04:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
FIF Iron Mover Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 205 Rep Power: 4672	Another women and deca question Hey guys, I have a female friend(my wife's friend) that has been hounding me about using deca. She has never used AAS before and I totally discouraged her from going this route. I told her all the bad things that could happen and how serious it is. It did nothing....so I stopped talking to her about but asking me every weekend for 2 years wore me down. She was about to get some from some guy at her gym and asked me about it. Finally I said ok well I will ask and get dose clarification. So i am presenting it to the forum. She wants advise on dosage and how to best maximize her physique. She seems to be gifted genetically(imo). She works out 3x a week for 45-1hr. each week focusing on the major muscle groups. She has phenomenal development. She has a good diet and quite lean 13% body fat. She has 6 pack abs that are well defined. She Is 5'7 140 pounds but wants gain 5lbs of solid muscle mainly in her legs and glutes. I know alot of you will chime in on how bad it would be for her to take this compound....and I agree! I have warned her and she has done her research. I also let her read some of the comments that have been posted here So she is well aware that she is selling her soul once she goes down the this path. Please advise... Fif __________________ When I get inspired Ill write a signature

06-15-2008, 05:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
IFBB PRO NPC overall winner Join Date: May 2008 Location: bayshore Posts: 417 Rep Power: 7044	There are steroids that could complement her, Deca isnt one of them unless she wont mind shaving, she sounds like she has great potental , but is inpatient , in this case maybe a little anivar and clen , i think winstrol is enouther drug a female can use reativly safely __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-15-2008, 10:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
FIF Iron Mover Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 205 Rep Power: 4672	We sat here and read all your responses together.... Anavar was her first choice. But she cant get it for another 2 weeks and she is hoping that since her diet is in order pretty much she can train hard for 10 weeks and start the growth period. Thanks for all your input. Since NPP is an injectable for everyday how much would she take along with anavar? This is her question. Fif __________________ When I get inspired Ill write a signature

06-15-2008, 10:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
FIF Iron Mover Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 205 Rep Power: 4672	She say's ok and thank you Sassy! By the way she loves your myspace photos(lol) Anyway, she can get npp first and anavar later.....if she had to take Npp how would she dose it? Which ever one she can get first she wants to do....(I hated writing that). She is turning 30yrs old and feels like she has given plenty of time to the natural and diet thing... Again thanks for all your input and patience. Do realize also that I am writing this because she is INSISTENT on me doing this....so many thanks.. Fif __________________ When I get inspired Ill write a signature

07-02-2008, 04:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
FIF Iron Mover Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 205 Rep Power: 4672	Update.... She started out at 10mgs of var and she is beyond happy...she is really really showing lean muscle development. She has been hitting the gym hard and consistant. She wants to up the dose because she doesnt feel any sides at all. She been doing a lot of leg excercises and ab work. She is sticking to a strict diet, taking protien, and cut out most all sugar and useless carbs. I can already see some changes but they are subtle. Like her definition is on point. She is looking forward to better development in the next few weeks. __________________ When I get inspired Ill write a signature

06-15-2008, 05:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Immortalis The Prophet Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,051 Rep Power: 74349	Im with the pro - some clen and var would be the route id send her.

06-15-2008, 05:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blut Wump The Venerable Wump Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 6,236 Rep Power: 77921	I'll move this to the women's discussion area. One thing to bear very strongly in mind with deca is that it has a long half life. When (if) sides hit and she decides that her gruff voice and swelling genitalia aren't what she envisioned from running steroids then it'll take weeks for the gear to clear and, meanwhile, the sides will continue to worsen.

06-15-2008, 06:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
NubianBeauty Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 8,219 Rep Power: 70766	I will say this one last time... Winstrol is NOT absolutely NOT something a woman could use w/o sides! It is a VERY strong anabolic when it comes to women. When a woman can grow on 2-4mg of Winny no way can you say it's mild. Now Ox is another story. FIF anyway she can get Ox? I would rather her start with NPP before Deca since the half-life is so long so if sides start it'll take a while for them to subside.

06-15-2008, 08:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
sassy69 Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,374 Rep Power: 90155	Tell her to do her research as well... if she's obsessing about deca that tells me that's exactly all she knows about steroids. Deca is not one of the top options I'd recommend for a woman. If she wants to play on the dark side she should at least be aware of the compounds out there and the sides that come w/ them. 5 lb of lean muscle mass can come easily from an optimized diet & training.

06-15-2008, 10:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
sassy69 Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,374 Rep Power: 90155	How about run the var first - if you stack them w/o knowing how you react to each individually, kinda dicey, no? Basic rule of thumb - don't stack stuff until you know how you react to each.

06-16-2008, 10:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Gettinripped Swollen Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 710 Rep Power: 9102	tell her to quit being an impatient baby and worry about her future. temporary gains and changes in her body composition are not worth the possible irreversible sides that she could encounter from a compound like deca. if she only has to wait 2 more weeks to get the ox, then so be it. my guess is she's a very attractive young female. looking good and wanting that little edge. can't fault here for that, we all want that, it's human nature. but imho, rushing into to something, cuz "she can't wait 2 weeks" for a safer and more proven woman's compound, is totally immature. i'm still a novice by my own rights. i've only run 2 cycles in 2 years and I, being a male, am still afraid of deca due to the sides talked about. if she is truly interested in her health, she will take the experienced advice of some great women here and quit being so damn impatient.

06-25-2008, 05:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nikkita AF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 561	I can personally tell you that deca isn't a way to go, it is very difficult to assess a proper dosage for a female and sides ocurr fast... she'll sure need an antiandrogen if she gets that way.

06-28-2008, 12:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Temple Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 532 Rep Power: 10626	The ONLY thing I liked about deca was the way it made my joints feel. Retained a boat load of water on it, tended to gain fat along with muscle and overall hated what it did to my body. Var or even winny at really low doses are better choices. Its been a long time for me but real var was an issue even from reputable sources back when I was using it, when tested it turned out to be winny...don't know what the status of var is now.

07-02-2008, 05:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
jaleena I can has yoke pls? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 20024	Very cool that she's happy But...since the point is to see results, and not to see side effects, why would she up the dose? Sounds like she lucked into a sweet spot there, no point in chasing side effects if the intended effects are already showing. Plus, side effects build...from the dates of your posts, she's been on for maybe a week? What she's not seeing any of now might start to come up subtly after a month or so at the same dose.