McCain's Speech

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 01:31 PM

Obviously, McCain is not as eloquent as Obama, or Palin for that matter. That being said, he laid out his plan effectively, and touted his wealth of experience while still looking extremely humble. For example he explained, "I don't work for a party. I don't work for a special interest. I don't work for myself. I work for you." And later on he described "I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's"; Then towards the end he went further "I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here. I loved it for its decency, for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people. I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's." - Truly poignant moments in the speech! Tears were shed by many in the crowd.

This picture of McCain is in sharp contrast to the persona of Obama who acts as if his nomination were his God given rite. McCain portrayed himself as the anti-rock star, the anti-Obama, the humble servant to his country and the people of it. He didn't take many shots at Barack, however the ones he did were effective. (when he noted that he has the experience, "and I have the scars to prove it.") I also liked the intimate town hall setting. It was appealing.

He showed how he has reached across the aisle time and time again to see things get done and will continue to do so as Commander-In-Chief. This will appeal to conservative democrats and independents alike. By doing this he did a good job distancing himself from the current administration.

All in all, for something that is considered to be a weak point ,he did a pretty damn good job!

A note: The turn of events in the last week is remarkable. Truly ingenius moves by the McCain campaign. By choosing Palin as his running mate, he has fully satisfied the conservative base. Recent polls show she's looked at favorably by 90% of Republicans. Palin's speech was watched by 37.2 million viewers, only 1.6 million less than Obama's. (Obama's was also on 10 additional channels I believe)

His record of bi-partisanship will appeal to those who wish to see the do-nothing bureacracy changed for the better.

This election is truly dynamic and fascinating. Roles are almost reversed. The humble servant,(a republican) vs. the pragmatic elitist(a democrat). I can't wait to see how this plays out. If McCain winds up winning Obama will have his ego to thank. Not choosing Hillary as his running mate might just be his ruination.

P.S. Unfortunately, some scumbags caused an uproar by making a scene in the crowd. Luckily they were drowned out by chants of USA. Nothing but class from the libs!

JoeD · 09-05-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

P.S. Unfortunately, some scumbags caused an uproar by making a scene in the crowd. Luckily they were drowned out by chants of USA. Nothing but class from the libs!

Yep, that shit did not surprise me at all, probably a bunch of art students -- totally classless.

McCain doesnt have half the charisma of Obama but you made good points. I think Obama lost respect when he went to ANOTHER COUNTRY to discuss foreign policy; how arrogant.

Mickey · 09-05-2008, 03:11 PM

I have seen children with better public speaking skills than John McCain. However, with that being said I actually liked his speech last night. I think he came off as an everyday kinda guy and that will help him.

Bjaarki · 09-05-2008, 04:31 PM

I like John McCain.

I don't think he's too well wrapped. He probably never was too well wrapped - his record at Annapolis shows that - and his years in a POW camp did him no good, in that way. He is in my estimation a somewhat traumatized individual (who wouldn't be, given what he went through?) who wears a mirthless, rictus-like smile while calling everyone in sight "my friends," and who is pretty clueless about most of the larger issues facing the nation.

But that's him, those are his limitations, and those are not terrible things in a US Senator. So I can like him as a man, but at the same time think he'd be a poor choice as President. Which is where I am on the matter.

I hope he stays in the Senate and does a good job there.

Bjaarki

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 04:52 PM

I will take a man, a man with the record of a John McCain, a man who has done nothing but serve the people of this country admirably for the better part of half a century, over a person with the ineptitude, inexperience, arrogance, and lack of guts like Barack Obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I guess a "Community Organizer" just doesn't bestow the confidence in me that it should. Realistically, when comparing experience, you know the experience that democrats want to question Sara Palin the vp nominee about, it is actually comical to compare John S. McCain to Barack Hussein Obama... Oops! I said his middle name. I forgot that wasn't allowed. My bad.

KKAZ · 09-05-2008, 05:04 PM

I dont care for the guy. But im too conservative to vote for the other dude.
Couple of times in McCains speech reminded me of Reagan, but without the charisma and appeal. The words were decent though, i thought.
Palin and her family are all good looking people. Wonder how they exercise,if at all.

Bjaarki · 09-05-2008, 05:19 PM

You know, usual .....

You don't have to hate a man to oppose him. You don't have to sound like Hate Radio when you're talking about a man you disagree with.

I thought I modeled that for you when I said I like John McCain but think he would be a poor choice as president. I try to model that when I always refer to George Bush by name, or as "President Bush," even though I detest his poor performance in office. There has been a terrible decline in the standards of civil discourse in this society during the past few years. Many of your posts demonstrate that.

But that's the difference between us. One of us listens to Hate Radio and takes his cues from Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly et al ... and one of us doesn't.

And thus your citation of Obama's "ineptitude, inexperience, arrogance, and lack of guts" ..... qualities that you, if you were of a different persuasion, would have to attribute to the current occupant of the White House, would you not?

Ineptitude?

Inexperience?

Arrogance?

Lack of guts?

Is all that really necessary?

As the election year now enters a new and more active phase, let's try to discuss and debate, not throw mud.

Bjaarki

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 05:23 PM

McCain beats Obama's TV ratings:http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/m...at_obama_i.php

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjaarki

You know, usual .....

You don't have to hate a man to oppose him. You don't have to sound like Hate Radio when you're talking about a man you disagree with.

I thought I modeled that for you when I said I like John McCain but think he would be a poor choice as president. I try to model that when I always refer to George Bush by name, or as "President Bush," even though I detest his poor performance in office. There has been a terrible decline in the standards of civil discourse in this society during the past few years. Many of your posts demonstrate that.

But that's the difference between us. One of us listens to Hate Radio and takes his cues from Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly et al ... and one of us doesn't.

And thus your citation of Obama's "ineptitude, inexperience, arrogance, and lack of guts" ..... qualities that you, if you were of a different persuasion, would have to attribute to the current occupant of the White House, would you not?

Ineptitude?

Inexperience?

Arrogance?

Lack of guts?

Is all that really necessary?

As the election year now enters a new and more active phase, let's try to discuss and debate, not throw mud.

Bjaarki

That is not mud throwing. That is fact throwing. There is not a single thing I said that is either nasty or untrue. If those words bother you, perhaps you shouldn't enter the discussion. And I don't take any cue from any of the talkers. I think we have broached this topic before, have we not? Honestly, if my assessment of Obama is too strong for you, then keep your brazen comments about McCain's mental health and his smile to yourself as well. thanks.

Bjaarki · 09-05-2008, 05:45 PM

Okay, I'll play the game. Since we're talking "facts" here .....

Facts have exemplars, no? So giving us some examples of the "facts" you've dug up on Barack Hussein Obama should not be a problem for you.

State just one example that illustrates each of your 4 "facts about Obama."

Don't spend a lot of time on it. Just a couple of words about each of the 4 facts, exampling them for the readers here, would be good .....

Ineptitude

Inexperience

Arrogance

Lack of guts

Over to you, bud.

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 06:08 PM

Ineptitude- goes to the point of his inexperience.

Inexperience- the man has zero experience when it comes to leadership of any kind. He hasn't managed anything. He is a senator with less than 270 total days in office, half of that time spent campaigning for the White House.

Arrogance- just my personal opinion. I think the man is an elitist, and arrogant.

Lack of Guts- does not take a stance on anything. Voting 130+ times present on legislation in the Illinois state senate, as opposed to yes or no, and usually on politically sensitive issues. 36 of those times he voted that way either alone or as part of small ( 6 or less)group to do so. Wishy washy on everything from the troop surge, to the Georgian conflict. No backbone.

tytan · 09-05-2008, 06:13 PM

He laid out his plan? You have to be kidding. He didn`t say squat. On the economy he said " create jobs", But he never gave a clear cut way he would create any damn jobs. The same with energy, medical care and so on and so on. I respect anothers perception of ideals, but he didn`t say shizzle. We are in for more Palin bashing and McCain crashing for 60 days.

bluetwistedsteel · 09-05-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

Ineptitude- goes to the point of his inexperience.

Inexperience- the man has zero experience when it comes to leadership of any kind. He hasn't managed anything. He is a senator with less than 270 total days in office, half of that time spent campaigning for the White House.

Arrogance- just my personal opinion. I think the man is an elitist, and arrogant.

Lack of Guts- does not take a stance on anything. Voting 130+ times present on legislation in the Illinois state senate, as opposed to yes or no, and usually on politically sensitive issues. 36 of those times he voted that way either alone or as part of small ( 6 or less)group to do so. Wishy washy on everything from the troop surge, to the Georgian conflict. No backbone.

Bro, I'm not a huge Obama fan but if you're going to run for president AND WIN you'd better have some arrogance. Being humble and soft spoken is not what I personally want in a leader. I want somebody that is a little quick on the trigger and knows he's the man. People hate Bush but his arrogance got him elected.......... twice! Well, that and a lack of quality opposition. I just can't believe that McCain and Obama are the best we have available. I like them both but neither knocks my socks off. They both keep saying, "I'm like you" Fuck, I don't want somebody like me. I want somebody WAY better than me - someone extraordinary. As for the knock on Obama by some that he's a "rock star" - Hey, Bobby Kennedy was just as much a rock star and likely could have gone on to be one of our best and most influencial presidents since Lincoln if he hadn't been assasinated. Not that I think Obama is in Bobby Kennedy's league but similar hype surrounds them.

Bjaarki · 09-05-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

Ineptitude- goes to the point of his inexperience.

How is that? You can be apt and inexperienced (like Abraham Lincoln), inept and experienced (like Lyndon Johnson), apt and experienced (like Franklin Roosevelt), or inept and inexperienced (like George W. Bush). The charge of "Ineptitude" is not supported by the charge of "Inexperience". I asked you for an example that supports the "facts" you supposedly adduced, and you come back with this? Oh man. You're not getting off to a very good start here.

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

Inexperience- the man has zero experience when it comes to leadership of any kind. He hasn't managed anything. He is a senator with less than 270 total days in office, half of that time spent campaigning for the White House.

Okay. I guess that Senator Obama's life began when he won his senate seat.

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

Arrogance- just my personal opinion. I think the man is an elitist, and arrogant.

Just your "personal opinion'? No way. You said these are "facts," bro. You said, quoting you now, "That is not mud throwing. That is fact throwing." And now you tell us your "fact" is "just my personal opinion." Heh heh. It's a bitch when someone holds you to account for your words, isn't it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by usualsuspect0718

Lack of Guts- does not take a stance on anything. Voting 130+ times present on legislation in the Illinois state senate, as opposed to yes or no, and usually on politically sensitive issues. 36 of those times he voted that way either alone or as part of small ( 6 or less)group to do so. Wishy washy on everything from the troop surge, to the Georgian conflict. No backbone.

Okay. If that is your definition of "lack of guts," then so be it.

If I were you, I would modify your remarks to remove your allusions to Sen. Obama's "ineptness" and "arrogance" since you are unable to support either of those charges.

Just call him an inexperienced man who lacks guts and you'll have done well for yourself.

Bjaarki

usualsuspect0718 · 09-05-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjaarki

How is that? You can be apt and inexperienced (like Abraham Lincoln), inept and experienced (like Lyndon Johnson), apt and experienced (like Franklin Roosevelt), or inept and inexperienced (like George W. Bush). The charge of "Ineptitude" is not supported by the charge of "Inexperience". I asked you for an example that supports the "facts" you supposedly adduced, and you come back with this? Oh man. You're not getting off to a very good start here.

Okay. I guess that Senator Obama's life began when he won his senate seat.

Just your "personal opinion'? No way. You said these are "facts," bro. You said, quoting you now, "That is not mud throwing. That is fact throwing." And now you tell us your "fact" is "just my personal opinion." Heh heh. It's a bitch when someone holds you to account for your words, isn't it?

Okay. If that is your definition of "lack of guts," then so be it.

If I were you, I would modify your remarks to remove your allusions to Sen. Obama's "ineptness" and "arrogance" since you are unable to support either of those charges.

Just call him an inexperienced man who lacks guts and you'll have done well for yourself.

Bjaarki

Nice try my man. But his ineptitude stems from his lack of experience and his lack of guts In this context, they go hand in hand. To be president you must make decisions. Repeatedly changing positions and stances on issues makes you inept as a politician. The charge stands. You lose. Sorry bro.

And you want examples of arrogance. OK. How about the columns behind him during his convention speech for one? That doesn't reek of hubris to you? Is he standing on Olympus?

KKAZ · 09-06-2008, 11:47 AM

Damn, that GOP VP candidate is ugly!

09-05-2008, 01:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
usualsuspect0718 What Would Reagan Do? Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	McCain's Speech Obviously, McCain is not as eloquent as Obama, or Palin for that matter. That being said, he laid out his plan effectively, and touted his wealth of experience while still looking extremely humble. For example he explained, "I don't work for a party. I don't work for a special interest. I don't work for myself. I work for you." And later on he described "I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's"; Then towards the end he went further "I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here. I loved it for its decency, for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people. I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's." - Truly poignant moments in the speech! Tears were shed by many in the crowd. This picture of McCain is in sharp contrast to the persona of Obama who acts as if his nomination were his God given rite. McCain portrayed himself as the anti-rock star, the anti-Obama, the humble servant to his country and the people of it. He didn't take many shots at Barack, however the ones he did were effective. (when he noted that he has the experience, "and I have the scars to prove it.") I also liked the intimate town hall setting. It was appealing. He showed how he has reached across the aisle time and time again to see things get done and will continue to do so as Commander-In-Chief. This will appeal to conservative democrats and independents alike. By doing this he did a good job distancing himself from the current administration. All in all, for something that is considered to be a weak point ,he did a pretty damn good job! A note: The turn of events in the last week is remarkable. Truly ingenius moves by the McCain campaign. By choosing Palin as his running mate, he has fully satisfied the conservative base. Recent polls show she's looked at favorably by 90% of Republicans. Palin's speech was watched by 37.2 million viewers, only 1.6 million less than Obama's. (Obama's was also on 10 additional channels I believe) His record of bi-partisanship will appeal to those who wish to see the do-nothing bureacracy changed for the better. This election is truly dynamic and fascinating. Roles are almost reversed. The humble servant,(a republican) vs. the pragmatic elitist(a democrat). I can't wait to see how this plays out. If McCain winds up winning Obama will have his ego to thank. Not choosing Hillary as his running mate might just be his ruination. P.S. Unfortunately, some scumbags caused an uproar by making a scene in the crowd. Luckily they were drowned out by chants of USA. Nothing but class from the libs! Last edited by usualsuspect0718; 09-05-2008 at 01:57 PM..

09-05-2008, 05:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
KKAZ Savvy? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Over that horizon Posts: 488 Rep Power: 29900	I dont care for the guy. But im too conservative to vote for the other dude. Couple of times in McCains speech reminded me of Reagan, but without the charisma and appeal. The words were decent though, i thought. Palin and her family are all good looking people. Wonder how they exercise,if at all. __________________ K

09-06-2008, 11:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
KKAZ Savvy? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Over that horizon Posts: 488 Rep Power: 29900	Damn, that GOP VP candidate is ugly! <a href="http://s519.photobucket.com/albums/u358/kkaz33/?action=view&current=untitled.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u358/kkaz33/untitled.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> __________________ K Last edited by KKAZ; 09-06-2008 at 12:25 PM..

09-05-2008, 03:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mickey Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 2,283 Rep Power: 20983	I have seen children with better public speaking skills than John McCain. However, with that being said I actually liked his speech last night. I think he came off as an everyday kinda guy and that will help him.

09-05-2008, 04:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bjaarki We the People - Get it ?? Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 5,015 Rep Power: 46473	I like John McCain. I don't think he's too well wrapped. He probably never was too well wrapped - his record at Annapolis shows that - and his years in a POW camp did him no good, in that way. He is in my estimation a somewhat traumatized individual (who wouldn't be, given what he went through?) who wears a mirthless, rictus-like smile while calling everyone in sight "my friends," and who is pretty clueless about most of the larger issues facing the nation. But that's him, those are his limitations, and those are not terrible things in a US Senator. So I can like him as a man, but at the same time think he'd be a poor choice as President. Which is where I am on the matter. I hope he stays in the Senate and does a good job there. Bjaarki

09-05-2008, 04:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
usualsuspect0718 What Would Reagan Do? Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	I will take a man, a man with the record of a John McCain, a man who has done nothing but serve the people of this country admirably for the better part of half a century, over a person with the ineptitude, inexperience, arrogance, and lack of guts like Barack Obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I guess a "Community Organizer" just doesn't bestow the confidence in me that it should. Realistically, when comparing experience, you know the experience that democrats want to question Sara Palin the vp nominee about, it is actually comical to compare John S. McCain to Barack Hussein Obama... Oops! I said his middle name. I forgot that wasn't allowed. My bad.

09-05-2008, 05:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bjaarki We the People - Get it ?? Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 5,015 Rep Power: 46473	You know, usual ..... You don't have to hate a man to oppose him. You don't have to sound like Hate Radio when you're talking about a man you disagree with. I thought I modeled that for you when I said I like John McCain but think he would be a poor choice as president. I try to model that when I always refer to George Bush by name, or as "President Bush," even though I detest his poor performance in office. There has been a terrible decline in the standards of civil discourse in this society during the past few years. Many of your posts demonstrate that. But that's the difference between us. One of us listens to Hate Radio and takes his cues from Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly et al ... and one of us doesn't. And thus your citation of Obama's "ineptitude, inexperience, arrogance, and lack of guts" ..... qualities that you, if you were of a different persuasion, would have to attribute to the current occupant of the White House, would you not? Ineptitude? Inexperience? Arrogance? Lack of guts? Is all that really necessary? As the election year now enters a new and more active phase, let's try to discuss and debate, not throw mud. Bjaarki

09-05-2008, 05:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
usualsuspect0718 What Would Reagan Do? Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	McCain beats Obama's TV ratings:http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/m...at_obama_i.php

09-05-2008, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bjaarki We the People - Get it ?? Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 5,015 Rep Power: 46473	Okay, I'll play the game. Since we're talking "facts" here ..... Facts have exemplars, no? So giving us some examples of the "facts" you've dug up on Barack Hussein Obama should not be a problem for you. State just one example that illustrates each of your 4 "facts about Obama." Don't spend a lot of time on it. Just a couple of words about each of the 4 facts, exampling them for the readers here, would be good ..... Ineptitude Inexperience Arrogance Lack of guts Over to you, bud.

09-05-2008, 06:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
usualsuspect0718 What Would Reagan Do? Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	Ineptitude- goes to the point of his inexperience. Inexperience- the man has zero experience when it comes to leadership of any kind. He hasn't managed anything. He is a senator with less than 270 total days in office, half of that time spent campaigning for the White House. Arrogance- just my personal opinion. I think the man is an elitist, and arrogant. Lack of Guts- does not take a stance on anything. Voting 130+ times present on legislation in the Illinois state senate, as opposed to yes or no, and usually on politically sensitive issues. 36 of those times he voted that way either alone or as part of small ( 6 or less)group to do so. Wishy washy on everything from the troop surge, to the Georgian conflict. No backbone.

09-05-2008, 06:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
tytan Through thick and thin... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 98 Rep Power: 11425	He laid out his plan? You have to be kidding. He didn`t say squat. On the economy he said " create jobs", But he never gave a clear cut way he would create any damn jobs. The same with energy, medical care and so on and so on. I respect anothers perception of ideals, but he didn`t say shizzle. We are in for more Palin bashing and McCain crashing for 60 days.

09-07-2008, 02:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
usualsuspect0718 What Would Reagan Do? Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0