$162 Billion War Spending Bill

Nate · 06-30-2008, 10:02 PM

Bush signs $162 billion war spending bill - Yahoo! News

seriously, how can anyone justify this "war." there is no end to it in sight. the article even states that this bill will "fund the wars well into next year." how many lives & billions of dollars will this country go through just to keep this ball rolling?

thoughts?

2ez2brich · 06-30-2008, 10:49 PM

* * * 2ez waiting to hear MidlifeCrisis' reply to this * * *

Ulter · 06-30-2008, 11:02 PM

Solidspine will be along to tell you why this is justified.

JoeD · 06-30-2008, 11:11 PM

There's worse things we're spending money on ie giving aid to third world countries who hate us, illegal immigrants, welfare, etc..

At least we've killed well known terrorist, outed sadam, made out country safer, and in the process of establishing a democracy in Iraq.. the aforementioned doesnt help America at all

jnuts · 06-30-2008, 11:44 PM

I'm kinda digging the new GI Bill included in this one:

The new GI Bill: A study guide | Stars and Stripes

1911 · 06-30-2008, 11:58 PM

Sure...I have "thoughts" but I'm done tossin' em' on the web. I don't give a rat's-ass what others opinions are as most don't care to hear mine ["common-sense" deafness pervades, myself included on occasion]. That said, a few brief parrot-n-paste comments since you asked:

Includes a doubling of GI Bill college benefits for troops and veterans -- Dem push/win
13-week extension of unemployment benefits -- Dem push/win
$2.7B emergency flood relief for the Midwest -- Push, both parties will suck the political tit on this one
Billions for food aid, anti-drug enforcement, Louisiana levee repairs and other -- You decide/comment, I have the same stance mentioned above
The bill will fund the wars well into next year, when their fate will be in the hands of Bush's successor -- Push for both parties & the next Pres
Absent a provision setting a timetable for withdrawing troops -- Rep push/win
Sustain current military agenda -- Rep push/win
Affords the next president several months to set Iraq policy after taking office in January and spares lawmakers the need to cast more war funding votes closer to Election Day. -- Push for the current pols, President elect and the next administration

And more of course...

If you really want to cajole the membership share this... "The legislation will bring to more than $650 billion the amount Congress has provided for the Iraq war since it began more than five years ago. For operations in Afghanistan, the total is nearly $200 billion,

You posted this Nate, what have you to add of substance other than your generic "anti" position/post? What is your expectatation of our elected representatives at this point? You/we cannot go backwards. What do they/we do today, nothing? No compromise right or wrong regardless of your opinion? While you may want to just "stop rolling" that is not even remotely an option.

PS - Maxine Waters can continue to suck my proverbial d***!

Ulter · 06-30-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

There's worse things we're spending money on ie giving aid to third world countries who hate us, illegal immigrants, welfare, etc..

At least we've killed well known terrorist, outed sadam, made out country safer, and in the process of establishing a democracy in Iraq.. the aforementioned doesnt help America at all

Didn't even have to wait for Solidspine. The answer to how can you justify this war's cost of lives and money? We spend money on worse things.
The total cost of this war by the time it's all paid for is expected to be over $2 Trillion. That's the cost of the entire federal welfare system for 7 years. So I don't know if that's even. Maybe if we could kill 100,000 people in the system we could even it out. We killed 100,000 Iraqis as collateral damage. How about those illegals? If killed 100,000 of them then Iraq and welfare would be comparable. yeah, that's good.

1911 · 07-01-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulter

"Maybe if we could kill 100,000 people in the system we could even it out. We killed 100,000 Iraqis as collateral damage. How about those illegals? If killed 100,000 of them then Iraq and welfare would be comparable. yeah, that's good.

Ulter · 07-01-2008, 12:22 AM

What you don't agree? JoeD hit all the Right talking points and everything. I was just following that line of thinking.

It's absurd for anyone to try and justify the greatest tragedy in the last 50 years.
It's done and we go on. It's a tragedy American's will be paying for until we're all in the ground.

1911 · 07-01-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulter

What you don't agree? JoeD hit all the Right talking points and everything. I was just following that line of thinking.

Nate posts asking about "thoughts" on the spending bill and you respond with a living-in-the-not-so-distant-past sentiment/position on the war as whole? Emotional, biased rhetoric at-best. We [at least I] expect more from you and on that note, my comment referencing waters was out-of-line (can't delete it though, wouldn't be appropriate).

Nate · 07-01-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 1911

You posted this Nate, what have you to add of substance other than your generic "anti" position/post? What is your expectatation of our elected representatives at this point? You/we cannot go backwards. What do they/we do today, nothing? No compromise right or wrong regardless of your opinion? While you may want to just "stop rolling" that is not even remotely an option.

my expectations??? more money spent, more death, more freedoms taken away, more lies, more of the government telling us what we need. i think that about covers it.
of course we can't go backwards, thats why making the best choices today are so important... because todays decisions are tomorrows reality. what choice was made today? a long term stay in the middle east. you're right, we cant just pack up shop and forget about the whole thing, but aggressive funding without aggressive action is just putting this country in a deeper hole.
i forget where i read this awhile back, but if you really think about it, it makes perfect sense: "an occupying army can't win a war." you can call my stance generic, although i'm not anti-war, i'm just anti-stupidity. we've been told the surge is working, mission accomplished, we are liberators, and so on and so forth for so long without any proof or real progress. you would think this country would have learned from vietnam.

1911 · 07-01-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate

my expectations?

Yes, that’s what I asked. What do you expect now? Today? No bill? No go forward funding? I was clear with my question and I don’t need three questions marks for emphasis.

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”…more money spent,”

So what do we do, allocate no funding? What number satisfies you Nate? You can’t say zero. By the way, what about the added non-war specific funding in the number you posted? Does that matter or do you choose to ignore that?

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”…more death, more freedoms taken away, more lies, more of the government telling us what we need. i think that about covers it.

Covers a lot? Is this now a general comment/critique of the war or are we to discuss the spending bill you alluded to?

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”…of course we can't go backwards, thats why making the best choices today are so important... because todays decisions are tomorrows reality. what choice was made today?

So I’ll ask again, are you asking about the spending bill or are you just proffering an anti view we are supposed to respond to? What choices do we make now Nate? What are those “best” choices?

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”…you would think this country would have learned from vietnam.

I, and many of our peers, learned a lot as first-hand Vietnam era families. That has some bearing on my views today of course but in general, nah. That parallel “sounds good” don’t it but...no thanks, not working for me today.

midlifecrisis · 07-01-2008, 08:52 AM

A large chunk of that funding is to support operations in Afghanistan. Isnt that what you leftists have been bitching about and crying for for years?

If you think you hate the Iraq war, wait until the Iranian operations start. Here is a hint. Guess who borders Iran other than Iraq? You guessed it. Our friends the Afghanis. Special forces and Iranian dissidents are already on the ground in Iran gathering intel on the Iranian nuke cites. Israel is pushing us to do something, and my opinion is they want something done before a new President sits down. I dont think Id agree with ground forces in Iran, but some well placed air strikes could certainly slow down thier ambitions.

I wont argue the Iraq war. Ive said it all. 1911 has eloquently laid it out and you guys cant give anything back except moveon.org rhetoric....as usual. The theatre of war is changing to Iran....the real threat in the middle east.

jnuts · 07-01-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

...but some well placed air strikes could certainly slow down their ambitions.

Why would it slow them down? I don't think cruise missile diplomacy would slow things down - on the contrary, it would probably exacerbate the situation.

midlifecrisis · 07-01-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jnuts

Why would it slow them down? I don't think cruise missile diplomacy would slow things down - on the contrary, it would probably exacerbate the situation.

Hmmm. I dont know if I understand that logic. Sure, iany attack may inflame their anti-America anti-Jew sentiment, but then, can it get any worse than it already is? Not really. Of course surgical precision air strikes against key targets and infrastructure would hurt them economically, and slow their nuclear programs. Why do you think it wouldnt?

Just a few months back Israel bombed what is now widely accepted to have been a Syrian nuclear reactor/facility. What took years to build was destroyed in a few brief minutes. Of course it slows these types of programs. And I dont think a strike would be limited to cruise missles.

solidspine · 07-01-2008, 09:57 AM

You probably do not remember or know this but a few years ago, on 9/11
Muslim terrorist attacked the US,

There message was real simple we want to kill all Americans

Which would include you too!

Since we have defended ourselves with the bill you mentioned, there have been no more successful terrorist attacks in the US

And you are still alive.

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Ulter Chairman of the board Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 26,398 Rep Power: 165416	Solidspine will be along to tell you why this is justified. __________________ > . . When you register at www.theafstore.com make sure you register as an AF Board Member to get the discounted pricing.

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Ulter Chairman of the board Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 26,398 Rep Power: 165416	What you don't agree? JoeD hit all the Right talking points and everything. I was just following that line of thinking. It's absurd for anyone to try and justify the greatest tragedy in the last 50 years. It's done and we go on. It's a tragedy American's will be paying for until we're all in the ground. __________________ > . . When you register at www.theafstore.com make sure you register as an AF Board Member to get the discounted pricing.

07-01-2008, 08:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
midlifecrisis What would John Wayne Do? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: 704 Houser Street Posts: 3,251 Rep Power: 41518	A large chunk of that funding is to support operations in Afghanistan. Isnt that what you leftists have been bitching about and crying for for years? If you think you hate the Iraq war, wait until the Iranian operations start. Here is a hint. Guess who borders Iran other than Iraq? You guessed it. Our friends the Afghanis. Special forces and Iranian dissidents are already on the ground in Iran gathering intel on the Iranian nuke cites. Israel is pushing us to do something, and my opinion is they want something done before a new President sits down. I dont think Id agree with ground forces in Iran, but some well placed air strikes could certainly slow down thier ambitions. I wont argue the Iraq war. Ive said it all. 1911 has eloquently laid it out and you guys cant give anything back except moveon.org rhetoric....as usual. The theatre of war is changing to Iran....the real threat in the middle east. __________________ The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman. The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the silly--the forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the men in a plain light The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled when he cannot help humbling others. ” —Robert E. Lee

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JoeD Retired Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,013 Rep Power: 0	There's worse things we're spending money on ie giving aid to third world countries who hate us, illegal immigrants, welfare, etc.. At least we've killed well known terrorist, outed sadam, made out country safer, and in the process of establishing a democracy in Iraq.. the aforementioned doesnt help America at all

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solidspine Retired Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,622 Rep Power: 0	You probably do not remember or know this but a few years ago, on 9/11 Muslim terrorist attacked the US, There message was real simple we want to kill all Americans Which would include you too! Since we have defended ourselves with the bill you mentioned, there have been no more successful terrorist attacks in the US And you are still alive.