$162 Billion War Spending Bill

[solidspine]

I'm simply refuting his assertion that the war's have been a success based on the fact that there haven't been any attacks WITHIN the United States since 9/11 by stating that there weren't many attacks by Islamic terrorists within the US before 9/11 either. As you mentioned, the previous attack on the WTC happened 8 years before 9/11

Okay, I agree the war has been a success for so many reason’s it is impossible to just name just one.

100,000 terrorist that can’t kill Americans, that a good start.


And either way you look at it there are no more weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, granted Saddam moved them to Syria,

Oh Saddam Hussein
and his dipship kids adios to them,

another big success.


But I have to agree with you there have been so many overwhelming successes for American in the war on terror it is really hard to narrow it down to 1 or even 100.

Very good observation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I sense when you are sitting with your bong watching cartons, you may actually listen to Fox news by accident.

Oh I highly encourage you to join the Marines, you will get an up close view of Iraq.

That thought scares the living shit out you doesn’t it?

[jnuts]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

Jnuts- Here is something kind of interesting on what we just talked about yesterday. Of course it could all be posturing as you said, but I find it very interesting. It appears those high level planners are working over time these days.

Yeah, saw that in the news yesterday. I really hope it doesn't go that far.

[Halfway]

It's a good investment - the natives have been pacified to a degree that the big oil companies are ramping up for an increase in production... which means a LOT of oil is going to be sold in US dollars. Good for your economy, good for everyone else's

The logical next step in maintaining dollar hegemony is to attack iran to send a clear message to the rest of OPEC that they have to keep on the $, and changing to the euro is unacceptable. That will cost money but is worth it in the long term. Neither party wants to see america's enconomy go down in flames if the world switches from their worthless paper, so tough measures are necessary, of course they'll approve any military spending bill

[Halfway]

Originally Posted by JoeD

**WARNING** EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO | Iraqis Stone Girl to Death Over Loving Wrong Boy « Anything & Everything

here are the people you support Ulter...

Just a warning that video has changed my life and outlook. Read the story only if you have to.

horrible as it is - that is actually a Kurdish girl being stoned by kurds (cast as the 'good guys' in the kindergarten MSM version of events in the region) for dating a muslim.

the acid burnings in pakistan and the women being covered in gasoline and set on fire in Afghanistan are equally unpleasant, that part of the world is filled with fucked up people :x Should really just leave them to it

[DrewDog]

Originally Posted by solidspine

I sense when you are sitting with your bong watching cartons, you may actually listen to Fox news by accident.

Oh I highly encourage you to join the Marines, you will get an up close view of Iraq.

That thought scares the living shit out you doesn’t it?

its really sad. you actually do have some good arguments, but then you go and ruin them with childish insults. too bad

and for the record, military service doesn't scare me. I have considered joining my own country's military (to fight in what I feel is a righteous conflict in Afghanistan) but my current career (continuing in engineering while striving for a law degree) and life path don't' mesh with military service, at this time

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Nate

seriously dude, you need to drop the whole anti-obama thing. and before you say anything, i do not support obama. i do not support either candidate. but to rip someone apart who hasnt yet spent one day in office, while for the past 7 years this nation has gone downhill is totally outrageous.

I actually think its more outrageous to elect a man simply based on the fact that he is black and different. Sure, Bush and his admin havent been the best in a lot of ways. I will admit that. He has let me down in many many ways. But to turn a blind eye to the current candidates and vote "blind" for the most opposite of Bush is just insane. But that is exactly what we are doing. Were Obama white, we still wouldnt know he was. His record is pathetic. He has done nothing....nothing of note in the senate. His only record is one of opposition. Yet has introduced nothing of substance to counter those he opposes.

And the biggest problem, now that he is offering up some ideas, the country is so blindly following this man, they arent taking the time to see that his plans are going to hit us all with the biggest goddamn tax increase in history. That is fact and he doesnt even deny it. He is going to grow government by leaps and bounds, which though many are against, they still are jumping to vote for the man. I dont get it. Not to mention the fact he has reversed himself on several big issues, like campaign funding, and nobody seems to care.

If people would truly stop listening to the one liners, rhetoric and prepared speeches and actually READ this mans plans and look at his record, you might find that he isnt that different at all. He is exactly the same.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

I actually think its more outrageous to elect a man simply based on the fact that he is black and different. Sure, Bush and his admin havent been the best in a lot of ways. I will admit that. He has let me down in many many ways. But to turn a blind eye to the current candidates and vote "blind" for the most opposite of Bush is just insane. But that is exactly what we are doing. Were Obama white, we still wouldnt know he was. His record is pathetic. He has done nothing....nothing of note in the senate. His only record is one of opposition. Yet has introduced nothing of substance to counter those he opposes.

And the biggest problem, now that he is offering up some ideas, the country is so blindly following this man, they arent taking the time to see that his plans are going to hit us all with the biggest goddamn tax increase in history. That is fact and he doesnt even deny it. He is going to grow government by leaps and bounds, which though many are against, they still are jumping to vote for the man. I dont get it. Not to mention the fact he has reversed himself on several big issues, like campaign funding, and nobody seems to care.

If people would truly stop listening to the one liners, rhetoric and prepared speeches and actually READ this mans plans and look at his record, you might find that he isnt that different at all. He is exactly the same.

i respect your opinion... like i said, i dont support any of them.

[midlifecrisis]

Im not thrilled with McCain myself bro. Im in the same boat with you.

[Horse95]

George Bush is the worst President of my generation. :-). How you Luv that :-)

[Ulter]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

I actually think its more outrageous to elect a man simply based on the fact that he is black and different. Sure, Bush and his admin havent been the best in a lot of ways. I will admit that. He has let me down in many many ways. But to turn a blind eye to the current candidates and vote "blind" for the most opposite of Bush is just insane. But that is exactly what we are doing. Were Obama white, we still wouldnt know he was. His record is pathetic. He has done nothing....nothing of note in the senate. His only record is one of opposition. Yet has introduced nothing of substance to counter those he opposes.

And the biggest problem, now that he is offering up some ideas, the country is so blindly following this man, they arent taking the time to see that his plans are going to hit us all with the biggest goddamn tax increase in history. That is fact and he doesnt even deny it. He is going to grow government by leaps and bounds, which though many are against, they still are jumping to vote for the man. I dont get it. Not to mention the fact he has reversed himself on several big issues, like campaign funding, and nobody seems to care.

If people would truly stop listening to the one liners, rhetoric and prepared speeches and actually READ this mans plans and look at his record, you might find that he isnt that different at all. He is exactly the same.

Unfortunately you aren't old enough to remember so you read opinionated revised history. Let me remind you...

Regan was elected because he was different and offered different ideas. I'm sure you don't remember that, you're not old enough. We elected a man who to that point could only boast the achievement of a failed movie career and being Gov of the leftest state in the country. Yet by the time he was done the Right hailed him as the greatest president of our time. And do you know how this man became president. Because people like me voted for him. People like me wrote congress and said, "hey, let's try something different" once he got into office. But not you. You aren't willing to try something different at all. You want more of the same as the country's economy and currency slides into the toilet. Regan's "Trickle Down" economics failed miserably. But we gave him a chance to try it.

Bush I, signed the biggest tax increase in history after PROMISING NO NEW TAXES.

Look for the Republicans to attack Obama for changing his mind. They are working overtime trying to pin "flip flopper" on him because it worked so well last time. Catch phrases and labels won't be enough this time though. They have started already with your talking points about campaign finance and now they are working on his Iraq position. It's somehow better to have a president who doesn't change his mind even as events change the landscape. Like Bush, never changing his mind even when it costs this country dearly. Thankfully Bush is better at it now than he was, but it's far too little to late.
McCain has changed his position on key issues as well. I don't see anyone on the left calling him names or coming up with labels for him doing that. It's actually refreshing to see a guy 70 years old change his mind.

[JoeD]

LOL @ Obama, he's already playing the race card. In a recent speech he said "The repubs are going to say 'he has a funny name, he's inexperienced...and he's black"

I really hope this socialist racist does not get elected. I cant stand his racist bitch wife either

[JoeD]

This is for Ulter

[cipherkingtoo]

Originally Posted by JoeD

LOL @ Obama, he's already playing the race card. In a recent speech he said "The repubs are going to say 'he has a funny name, he's inexperienced...and he's black"

I really hope this socialist racist does not get elected. I cant stand his racist bitch wife either

Does anyone realize that obama is half white? It kills me to hear people call him a racist. I mean the man was brought up by his white mother and grandparents. It might not mean anything to people that dont know but when you grow up multiracial like I have you dont have prejudice either way. What does he need a White wife for him not to be racist?

I can not see how hes playing the race card by saying what he said joeD. I mean midlife is saying over and over again that people are electing him just because he is black. Isnt that the same thing? Everyone uses it both ways but only calling it one way. People are very shallow and the more i read on boards the more shallow i see.

[JoeD]

Originally Posted by cipherkingtoo

Does anyone realize that obama is half white? It kills me to hear people call him a racist. I mean the man was brought up by his white mother and grandparents. It might not mean anything to people that dont know but when you grow up multiracial like I have you dont have prejudice either way. What does he need a White wife for him not to be racist?

I can not see how hes playing the race card by saying what he said joeD. I mean midlife is saying over and over again that people are electing him just because he is black. Isnt that the same thing? Everyone uses it both ways but only calling it one way. People are very shallow and the more i read on boards the more shallow i see.

the black race always claims mulatos or halfies..does anyone ever acknowledge tiger woods being asian? hell no... he's the best "black" golfer. Alicia Keys, a mulatto musician supports the black panthers. He insinuated the republican party was gonig to give him shit for being black, he was part of a black militant church.

people are not electing him just cuz he's black, i know plenty of blacks who aren't going to vote for him. but he is BLATANTLY using the race card. he insinuated the opposition was going to use it against him to paint a bad picture about them.

[cipherkingtoo]

oh and heres a little info on macain. He is not a war hero. He also would not be in the military if it wasnt for his families influence to get him in. From what i was told by my uncle that was in the marines back then, he couldnt even past the test to get in the military. They had to give him an edge if you know what i mean. The reason I say all this is because im tired of listening to everyone say that hes this hero. Thats what his campain is running on. If you ask me thats just as bad as obama playing to the blacks in the country to get votes. Now im sure alot of you dont believe me but my uncle knows a lot of high up people in the military and they talk.

[JoeD]

who gives a shit about his war record, at least he's not a socialist like obama