Sleeping meds

RagingBull666 · 07-03-2008, 05:23 PM

Okay, I don't sleep without meds. I have a CPAP machine and am on temazapam. The meds are losing their potency and I can only hit deep sleep with nyquil and sleeping pills.

What else is out there to help me sleep? If I don't take meds I do not hit REM sleep at all. This is killing me. Any ideas?? SS, RB

jaleena · 07-03-2008, 05:26 PM

I vote against Ambien. Being half your size and taking up to 15mgs without good results...I don't think it's worth anything for us resistant sorts.
As for OTC's...benadryl and doxylamine are sold as sleep meds, also not worth much. If you're already running on empty and just need to be pushed over the edge, any of these might help, but they won't work to get normal sleep.
And be careful with the OTC's, because you can OD on them without taking a whole package...the benadryl will inhibit breathing, and the doxylamine is psychoactive.

Ooh, and be careful with halcion. Takes a full mg to knock me out, but then I'm out for a while. Not that you're likely to get a script for this on accident...

Immortalis · 07-03-2008, 05:29 PM

I have serious sleeping probs and the only thing that really works for me is xanax, a blunt and a glass of red wine. But I dont recommend that to anyone who has to take drug tests, lol.

I have had some luck with "Simply Sleep" a generic OTC med. It didn't leave me with the groggy after-morning feeling like Nyquil and other meds do.

TAZ · 07-03-2008, 05:36 PM

I LOVE trazodone. I don't toss and turn, i don't dream and I don't even get up to take a piss for at least 7 hours.

Ambein to me is the devil. I lost huge chunks of time. Woke up were I didn't fall asleep. Talked to people on the cell and have no recollection of the conversation and found the bread and PB in the fridge the next morning.... hmmmmmmm

-TAZ

GTLifter · 07-03-2008, 05:52 PM

jack&coke

2ez2brich · 07-03-2008, 07:13 PM

I sleep with a Cpap too. I say talk to your doctor about your situation. Could your Cpap need adjusting ? when was your last sleep study ? As you know, this is suppose to help you reach that final stage of sleep.

Have you tried Melatonin

getjacked · 07-03-2008, 07:20 PM

i use lunesta, i like it. when i first got sleep meds, my doc gave me both ambien and lunesta to try. ambien made me a nut at night and made me wakeup feeling shitty,. the only downside to lunesta that i can tell is its less powerful.. with ambien if i take it i'm out no matter what im doing. with lunesta i still need a routine to put myself to bed, like read, stretch, etc.. i need to be relaxed for it to work.

also, lunesta leaves a god awful taste in your mouth

Ulter · 07-03-2008, 07:22 PM

Atarax

solidspine · 07-03-2008, 07:30 PM

Put that CPap in the garbage and pop 100mg of Trazodone ½ hour before bed

I hated all my CPAP machines finally

had an

Orthodontic mouth piece for sleep apnea made, works fine

Bikercoz · 07-03-2008, 07:36 PM

I have horrendous sleep issues myself. I was on Ambien and it was OK for me but not great. I'm currently on Seroquil and Rozarem with mixed results. I also have bad sleep apnea and need to get a cpap too.

bgriff · 07-03-2008, 08:39 PM

Dude I am the sleep med king on here. I have been on everything.... Ambien worked the best for me and then I started abusing it. I would take 3 or 4 of them and make myself stay awake to get a funny feeling from them and to hallucinate. I hated Lunesta because of the taste. Trazidone worked for me when I was younger but not now. Ive tried all kinds of OTC stuff and they dont work. I started doing some real crazy shit while I was on ambien. A few people on here know what I mean. Like having weird chats over PM's or on yahoo and not remembering... So I came off of Ambien on my own because I got scared of what might happen... My combo that had been working was 1mg xanax 20mg ambien and 600mg of Seroquill.... Seroquill is some powerful shit. So now I just take the xanax and seroquill. Im sure that I could sleep on less than 600mg but my doc says that 600 is the dose that I need to be on for my Manic side

I would say if I had to choose the lesser of all evils I would go with Trzidone if it still worked for me. But People keep telling me that I need to find out why im not sleeping and its not healthy to be on sleep meds for years at a time.... I know why I dont sleep... Its because I get very manic at night and I dont know why

RagingBull666 · 07-03-2008, 09:19 PM

I've had my machine for years and I don't know if it needs adjusting. I'll get a new study.

I'll talk to my doc and let you all know what's what. That Trazidone sounds like it may be the next step. Part of the trouble is that I'm addicted to my sleeping pill now and that part sucks!! I just need stronger stuff!! SS, RB

P.S. GT, Jack and Coke gets me wired, not tired.

2ez2brich · 07-04-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RagingBull666

I've had my machine for years and I don't know if it needs adjusting. I'll get a new study.

I'll talk to my doc and let you all know what's what. That Trazidone sounds like it may be the next step. Part of the trouble is that I'm addicted to my sleeping pill now and that part sucks!! I just need stronger stuff!! SS, RB

P.S. GT, Jack and Coke gets me wired, not tired.

My Cpap is calibrated to 16. I get annual checks to make sure the "16" is where I should be.

I can appreciate the others suggestion certain meds.....but the Sleep Apnea issue puts things on another level. So you have to consider the Cpap and meds to take and not just meds. If the machine is not calibrated correctly and you fall into a deep sleep as the result of the meds......you may not wake back up bru. Remember we have periods where we stop breathing. Without the Cpap, when I stopped breathing, my body would shake or whatever to start my breathing again. Taking Meds may hinder or retard this process if your Cpap is not set properly.

I am no sleep guru, but i had a friend die as a result of this sleep apnea thing, so I take this very seriously. Unfortunately for him, he forgot his Cpap for a trip and never woke back up.

I have been using my Cpap since 2000 and even had two procedures done and still not right. Oxygen levels are extremely low (see my post on my blood work) and this shiat is really effecting my health.

I say to get another study done FIRST and then consider another sleep med.

and oh....it is approx 4am on Friday. I have been back up since 245am.....so I can relate to your not sleeping issue. even with the Cpap, I get 3-4hrs of sleep per night. IMO a lot has to do with anxiety about not waking up. My Doc wants me to take Welbutrin to try and relax.

Prolong lack of oxygen and inadequate sleep issues can cause health probs bru. Again, go see your doctor.

2ez2brich · 07-04-2008, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solidspine

Put that CPap in the garbage and pop 100mg of Trazodone ½ hour before bed

I hated all my CPAP machines finally

had an

Orthodontic mouth piece for sleep apnea made, works fine

Devices to be used are contingent on the sleep apnea issue. There are different types of sleep apnea, so the mouth piece may not work for some.

Pixie · 07-04-2008, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAZ

I LOVE trazodone.

Trazodone has been known to cause priapisms (painful erections for prolonged periods of time... not a good thing!!), including potential for permanent erectile dysfunction and impotence. This doesn't only happen to men. So, beware... Not saying don't take it, but I'm sure this potential side effect is something most of you men and women would want to avoid. Doctors are supposed to warn you of this, but I'm sure many don't.

I would never recommend Ambien. I got a prescription because I wasn't sleeping after my latest shoulder surgery. I think the combination of that and Valium was what made me sleep. Alone, I don't necessarily sleep and almost always hallucinate. I usually take Benadryl to force myself to sleep, but hate the hang over afterwards.

Bikercoz · 07-04-2008, 07:14 AM

Quote:

My combo that had been working was 1mg xanax 20mg ambien and 600mg of Seroquill.... Seroquill is some powerful shit. So now I just take the xanax and seroquill. Im sure that I could sleep on less than 600mg but my doc says that 600 is the dose that I need to be on for my Manic side

Geez bro! Those amounts would knock a horse out!!!

Immortalis · 07-04-2008, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgriff

...600mg of Seroquill.... Seroquill is some powerful shit. ...

That shit makes me feel like Frank the Tank after he shoots himself in the neck with the elephant tranquilizer dart... and talk about some CRAZY dreams.

07-03-2008, 05:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
RagingBull666 I AM the Alpha Male Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 996 Rep Power: 91442	Sleeping meds Okay, I don't sleep without meds. I have a CPAP machine and am on temazapam. The meds are losing their potency and I can only hit deep sleep with nyquil and sleeping pills. What else is out there to help me sleep? If I don't take meds I do not hit REM sleep at all. This is killing me. Any ideas?? SS, RB __________________ That which does not kill us makes us STRONGER - Friedrich Nietzsche Hairy and unshaved!! I am the LAST Bastion of True Manhood!! Try not Do or do not There is no try Yoda

07-03-2008, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
jaleena I can has yoke pls? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 20024	I vote against Ambien. Being half your size and taking up to 15mgs without good results...I don't think it's worth anything for us resistant sorts. As for OTC's...benadryl and doxylamine are sold as sleep meds, also not worth much. If you're already running on empty and just need to be pushed over the edge, any of these might help, but they won't work to get normal sleep. And be careful with the OTC's, because you can OD on them without taking a whole package...the benadryl will inhibit breathing, and the doxylamine is psychoactive. Ooh, and be careful with halcion. Takes a full mg to knock me out, but then I'm out for a while. Not that you're likely to get a script for this on accident... Last edited by jaleena; 07-04-2008 at 04:59 AM.

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07-03-2008, 08:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
bgriff SBT ADDICT Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 4,460 Rep Power: 95774	Dude I am the sleep med king on here. I have been on everything.... Ambien worked the best for me and then I started abusing it. I would take 3 or 4 of them and make myself stay awake to get a funny feeling from them and to hallucinate. I hated Lunesta because of the taste. Trazidone worked for me when I was younger but not now. Ive tried all kinds of OTC stuff and they dont work. I started doing some real crazy shit while I was on ambien. A few people on here know what I mean. Like having weird chats over PM's or on yahoo and not remembering... So I came off of Ambien on my own because I got scared of what might happen... My combo that had been working was 1mg xanax 20mg ambien and 600mg of Seroquill.... Seroquill is some powerful shit. So now I just take the xanax and seroquill. Im sure that I could sleep on less than 600mg but my doc says that 600 is the dose that I need to be on for my Manic side I would say if I had to choose the lesser of all evils I would go with Trzidone if it still worked for me. But People keep telling me that I need to find out why im not sleeping and its not healthy to be on sleep meds for years at a time.... I know why I dont sleep... Its because I get very manic at night and I dont know why __________________ GRRRRRRR . . . *BBCKA*

07-03-2008, 09:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
RagingBull666 I AM the Alpha Male Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 996 Rep Power: 91442	I've had my machine for years and I don't know if it needs adjusting. I'll get a new study. I'll talk to my doc and let you all know what's what. That Trazidone sounds like it may be the next step. Part of the trouble is that I'm addicted to my sleeping pill now and that part sucks!! I just need stronger stuff!! SS, RB P.S. GT, Jack and Coke gets me wired, not tired. __________________ That which does not kill us makes us STRONGER - Friedrich Nietzsche Hairy and unshaved!! I am the LAST Bastion of True Manhood!! Try not Do or do not There is no try Yoda

07-03-2008, 05:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Immortalis The Prophet Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,051 Rep Power: 74349	I have serious sleeping probs and the only thing that really works for me is xanax, a blunt and a glass of red wine. But I dont recommend that to anyone who has to take drug tests, lol. I have had some luck with "Simply Sleep" a generic OTC med. It didn't leave me with the groggy after-morning feeling like Nyquil and other meds do.

07-03-2008, 05:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
TAZ Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 521 Rep Power: 21281	I LOVE trazodone. I don't toss and turn, i don't dream and I don't even get up to take a piss for at least 7 hours. Ambein to me is the devil. I lost huge chunks of time. Woke up were I didn't fall asleep. Talked to people on the cell and have no recollection of the conversation and found the bread and PB in the fridge the next morning.... hmmmmmmm -TAZ

07-03-2008, 05:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
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07-03-2008, 07:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
2ez2brich Connoisseur of Women Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New York, but I love Philly. Posts: 1,230 Rep Power: 37932	I sleep with a Cpap too. I say talk to your doctor about your situation. Could your Cpap need adjusting ? when was your last sleep study ? As you know, this is suppose to help you reach that final stage of sleep. Have you tried Melatonin

07-03-2008, 07:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
getjacked TRAPASAURUS Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 771 Rep Power: 27231	i use lunesta, i like it. when i first got sleep meds, my doc gave me both ambien and lunesta to try. ambien made me a nut at night and made me wakeup feeling shitty,. the only downside to lunesta that i can tell is its less powerful.. with ambien if i take it i'm out no matter what im doing. with lunesta i still need a routine to put myself to bed, like read, stretch, etc.. i need to be relaxed for it to work. also, lunesta leaves a god awful taste in your mouth

07-03-2008, 07:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
solidspine Retired Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,622 Rep Power: 0	Put that CPap in the garbage and pop 100mg of Trazodone ½ hour before bed I hated all my CPAP machines finally had an Orthodontic mouth piece for sleep apnea made, works fine

07-03-2008, 07:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bikercoz Gym/MMA Rat Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 574 Rep Power: 6665	I have horrendous sleep issues myself. I was on Ambien and it was OK for me but not great. I'm currently on Seroquil and Rozarem with mixed results. I also have bad sleep apnea and need to get a cpap too.