What ive learned...

[Polski Byk]

I was thinking today that a firm grasp on the basics can make you a great fighter. Alot of people spend to much of there time learning jits that doesnt really carry over well in mma. Controll and balance are the two most imp thing on the ground, ive seen guys in the game six months beat on jiu jitsu brown and blk belts, because of there relentless attacks, controll and strenght. Most of my subs came from giotines, kimuras, leg and heel hooks. Maybe i was just to scared to commit to more advanced moves. But im seeing fightera who are strong, and conditioned with much less experience beating the veteran tecnicians. What are your guys thoughts on this. I also wished i really took the time to learn and be efficient with judo, has anyone ever sparred or faught a guy with good judo? its a wild experience.

[Luca Brasi]

Welll i started out for many years at a traditional (japanese style) ju jitsu club so we did tireless hours of Judo Randori and other Judo drills . Excellent stlye for balance and for teaching people how to really use their weight to move people around. I was never as strong at leglocks because they are a banned technique in ju jitsu and judo comps which is what i was brought up on before mma. I get a hell of a lot of wins by rear naked and a huge variety of arm locks . Also knocked a guy out with a hip throw one time as well in a judo comp . Used to spar and fight the aussie 80kg judo champ regualrly . And also Chris Haseman (of ufc fame) on a regular basis and he also had a ju jitsu club in my city at the same time i did . Now he just works with a pro rugby team teaching them how to hold people down in tackles and stuff . As for the new guys beating much more experienced guys i think it comes up a lot more these days with people being brought up on mma which has a much higher emphasis on physical conditioning and strength as apposed to traditional martial arts . So a guy with physical dominance can do well even with limited technique . Anyway now i am just rambling so i am gonna shut up now .


Luca

[Polski Byk]

Originally Posted by Luca Brasi

As for the new guys beating much more experienced guys i think it comes up a lot more these days with people being brought up on mma which has a much higher emphasis on physical conditioning and strength as apposed to traditional martial arts . So a guy with physical dominance can do well even with limited technique . Anyway now i am just rambling so i am gonna shut up now .


Luca

Thats what im kinda getting at. Thanks for your input Luca.

[JayC]

Originally Posted by Polski Byk

I was thinking today that a firm grasp on the basics can make you a great fighter. Alot of people spend to much of there time learning jits that doesnt really carry over well in mma. Controll and balance are the two most imp thing on the ground, ive seen guys in the game six months beat on jiu jitsu brown and blk belts, because of there relentless attacks, controll and strenght. Most of my subs came from giotines, kimuras, leg and heel hooks. Maybe i was just to scared to commit to more advanced moves. But im seeing fightera who are strong, and conditioned with much less experience beating the veteran tecnicians. What are your guys thoughts on this. I also wished i really took the time to learn and be efficient with judo, has anyone ever sparred or faught a guy with good judo? its a wild experience.

I would agree 100% and say you have an excellent understanding of MMA today!! I think the days of either being a Jui Jitsu guy, a striker, or just a wrestler are pretty much over. Everything is moving toward teaching MMA as a whole/its own entity. The jits (BJJ) that I currently study/train in is MMA jiu jitsu.. we concentrate on the jits that transfers best into MMA.. the best way to counter any good BJJ fighter = good body position, constant movement (w/conditioning), and effective use of gnp/strikes on the ground. Thats it, and it works more often then not. A perfect example is UFC's Tyson Griffin.. He's put to shame world class black belts (w/technique above) who in a grappling match would sub him in seconds but in "MMA" can't handle him.
..and all the above (basics, balance, body position, movement, aggression, conditioning, and heart/drive) is the reason that wrestlers historically do so well in MMA.

[MR. BMJ]

Well, I might be stretching this a lot, but wouldn't GSP qualify here too?

He's dominating world class wrestlers and Jiu Jitsu guys on the ground, almost like it is easy. He did that to Hughes, and Serra. Serra has top notch Jiu Jitsu, but on the ground, GSP physically dominated him in their match.

Before he fought Hughes the last time, people were saying that GSP was taking 205-lb guys down like it was nothing in his training camp(s). One of those guys was Rashaad Evans.

He all of a sudden just took everything to a whole different level too imo.

I'm wondering if he is gonna be able to physically dominate Penn in their next match, as he has really improved a TON since they last fought. Penn is about as technical as they come too imo.

BMJ

[Luca Brasi]

I think that is spot on and not stretch at allMr BMJ i would say the same in regards to GSP especially when it comes to his wrestling . A guy who uses his physical gifts to out wrestle more decorated wrestlers and to sub more decorated Bjj guys . GSP is perfect model of the modern hybrid fighter that fits into no traditional martial art as such . In the next match i see him dominating Penn in a wrestling /position sense but not in a tactical BJJ sense . Penn is also one of those rare freaks .... rare to have 2 such freaks in one match .


Luca

[ILIEKFUDE]

Originally Posted by Polski Byk

I was thinking today that a firm grasp on the basics can make you a great fighter. Alot of people spend to much of there time learning jits that doesnt really carry over well in mma. Controll and balance are the two most imp thing on the ground, ive seen guys in the game six months beat on jiu jitsu brown and blk belts, because of there relentless attacks, controll and strenght. Most of my subs came from giotines, kimuras, leg and heel hooks. Maybe i was just to scared to commit to more advanced moves. But im seeing fightera who are strong, and conditioned with much less experience beating the veteran tecnicians. What are your guys thoughts on this. I also wished i really took the time to learn and be efficient with judo, has anyone ever sparred or faught a guy with good judo? its a wild experience.

I agree man, and that can be said for most skills in life. A firm and well trained grasp on the fundamentals along with a quick mind and ability to improvise can take you VERY far in just about anything sport related.
Just like with strength training, getting lost and caught up in over analyzing and trying to implement damn near ALL the minutia of a given sport will sink you fast as all hell.

[Polski Byk]

B, GSP Is a perfect example.