Protein & Chemo/Radiation

Sue Me · 09-26-2008, 12:27 PM

Hey - quick question for anyone that has input:

A family friend was told that during treatment they needed around 90g of protein, and also that roughly 10% of their weight will be lost. Current stats are:

89yrs old
4'9"
90lbs or so

I was thinking a protein with a calories is best, especially b/c the mass is near the esophagus, which can make it inflammed, ie hard to eat. Also, she can not use milk to mix, so something that mixes best with water or juice.

I suggested Nectar, but I don't have any experience with anything besides Isopure Zero Carb.

All help appreciated.

*Bunny* · 09-26-2008, 01:09 PM

Is the doc prescribing anavar to help with the muscle loss? Not sure if the age makes a difference...

GTLifter · 09-26-2008, 01:22 PM

Optimum Nutrition Chocolate mixes with water and taste alright.

Sue Me · 09-26-2008, 02:59 PM

No anavar, at least not yet, treatments start on Monday...

Any fruity flavored ones that people recommend?

GTLifter · 09-26-2008, 03:53 PM

BSN syntha-6 strawberry is really really really good....

SaladFork · 09-26-2008, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTLifter

BSN syntha-6 strawberry is really really really good....

+1 Good stuff! The ON's 100% Gold Standard is also good stuff and seems to mix alittle easier than others shakes and seems lighter on the belly.

Sue Me · 09-26-2008, 06:42 PM

Great Answers Guys & Gals...Thanks for the input.

Anyone Else?

Beverly McD. · 09-26-2008, 06:52 PM

Give her anything that sounds good to her. It's unlikely she'll have any appetite. Crushed ice and a warm, soft blanket may help her feel better. Lots of TLC.

Not really an answer to your question, I know.

NubianBeauty · 09-26-2008, 07:15 PM

When my granny would get Chemo she couldn't eat/drink anything cold for about 3 days after... it would burn her tongue. Keep in mind they both may alter her 'taste' so she may not even be able to tolerate much. I would opt for a flavorless protein that mixes easily in water. This is what I did for my granny.

MartyMcFly · 09-27-2008, 05:10 AM

Get better!!!

badgergrl · 09-28-2008, 01:16 AM

What about Ensure?

My Mom seemed to be able to get that down during her Chemo. Plus, it's more of a meal replacement w/ vit and minerals, which a lot of protein powders don't have. She will likely lose her appetitie and be deficient in a lot of those.

I wish the best for her!

bigrand · 09-28-2008, 02:48 AM

89yr old woman on chemo....doubt any oncologist would prescribe that.
dexameth or zofran probly to keep the N/V at bay.
Oncos dont really look into AAS to go with chemo, although they should.
Badgergrl is correct, things like ensure are a staple in hospitals for protein/nutrients to those with poor intake.
Better to use more paletable and fatening things than protein shakes, her appetite will be down, and will be nauseated a lot (depending on the chemo).

Whats her regimine?

Honestly smoking weed will do wonders for her appetite and can help with N/V. Im serious here, Marinol just isnt the same or nearly as effective.

evilcow · 09-30-2008, 03:43 PM

My friend's on a chemo regime right now. He takes zofran and dexomathazone, but neither really helps with the nausea. They've prescribed him emmend, and keep trying to push it on him, but he has trouble with swallowing large pills. The only thing that seems to work for him is smoking medicinal marijuana, but make sure you ask the shop which one to get if you decide to try it. There are some that are uppers, which can increase anxiety and nausea, and there are downers that will help with sleep, nausea and appetite.

Sue Me · 10-03-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrand

89yr old woman on chemo....doubt any oncologist would prescribe that.

Well, you would be wrong. Its a large cell type, lung cancer, the mass in the upper quadrant near the esophagus, causing a partial collapse of the lung. As a candidate for surgery, her age is against her, therefore the first course of treatment is: 6wks Treatment consisting of - Chemo 1x/wk on Tuesday, Radiation 5x/wk.

Thanks all for the great input. I'm visiting this weekend and will pick up some Ensure, and check on the status of the protein. 1st week is down, and she feels quite well to date. Of course, I am well aware that is subject to change after longer term treatment.

the truth · 10-03-2008, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sue Me

Well, you would be wrong. Its a large cell type, lung cancer, the mass in the upper quadrant near the esophagus, causing a partial collapse of the lung. As a candidate for surgery, her age is against her, therefore the first course of treatment is: 6wks Treatment consisting of - Chemo 1x/wk on Tuesday, Radiation 5x/wk.

Thanks all for the great input. I'm visiting this weekend and will pick up some Ensure, and check on the status of the protein. 1st week is down, and she feels quite well to date. Of course, I am well aware that is subject to change after longer term treatment.

I think he meant anavar

Sue Me · 10-05-2008, 11:16 PM

^ Ah, I apologize if I misunderstood.

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Sue Me Scumbag Banker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 620 Rep Power: 9736	No anavar, at least not yet, treatments start on Monday... Any fruity flavored ones that people recommend?

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GTLifter www.prowriststraps.com Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Which way to the beach? Posts: 2,631 Rep Power: 176019	BSN syntha-6 strawberry is really really really good....

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Sue Me Scumbag Banker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 620 Rep Power: 9736	Great Answers Guys & Gals...Thanks for the input. Anyone Else?

09-26-2008, 06:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Beverly McD. Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 1,886 Rep Power: 159439	Give her anything that sounds good to her. It's unlikely she'll have any appetite. Crushed ice and a warm, soft blanket may help her feel better. Lots of TLC. Not really an answer to your question, I know.

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NubianBeauty Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 8,463 Rep Power: 117112	When my granny would get Chemo she couldn't eat/drink anything cold for about 3 days after... it would burn her tongue. Keep in mind they both may alter her 'taste' so she may not even be able to tolerate much. I would opt for a flavorless protein that mixes easily in water. This is what I did for my granny.

09-27-2008, 05:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
MartyMcFly AF Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 1819	Get better!!!

09-28-2008, 02:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
bigrand Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 780 Rep Power: 18907	89yr old woman on chemo....doubt any oncologist would prescribe that. dexameth or zofran probly to keep the N/V at bay. Oncos dont really look into AAS to go with chemo, although they should. Badgergrl is correct, things like ensure are a staple in hospitals for protein/nutrients to those with poor intake. Better to use more paletable and fatening things than protein shakes, her appetite will be down, and will be nauseated a lot (depending on the chemo). Whats her regimine? Honestly smoking weed will do wonders for her appetite and can help with N/V. Im serious here, Marinol just isnt the same or nearly as effective.

09-30-2008, 03:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
evilcow AF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 1238	My friend's on a chemo regime right now. He takes zofran and dexomathazone, but neither really helps with the nausea. They've prescribed him emmend, and keep trying to push it on him, but he has trouble with swallowing large pills. The only thing that seems to work for him is smoking medicinal marijuana, but make sure you ask the shop which one to get if you decide to try it. There are some that are uppers, which can increase anxiety and nausea, and there are downers that will help with sleep, nausea and appetite.

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Sue Me Scumbag Banker Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 620 Rep Power: 9736	^ Ah, I apologize if I misunderstood.