Groin Injury

[Killer]

:bash:

I was going heavy on leg press for my first exercise. Nice ROM for 6. I think I was ok at that point. 2nd set reduced weight to keep reps up on and got 10. Felt a small twinge in hip flexor/adductor area. But so, so minor. 3rd set on about rep number 3 or so, about half way down and ZING!!!! Felt it rip from upper thight to above my belly button.

Leg press went all the way down, crawled out. Saw stars. Came close to blacking out - seriously. I have had lots of injuries and surgeries in my life - this may have been the worst acute pain I have ever had.

Cannot lay down. Slept reclined a bit on couch with one leg on ground. This sucks ...

Ice and vicaden today.

The best postion is standing. Sitting is not bad as long as I can use my upper body to get me there.

Good times ....

Oh, and I just started cardio and cleaning up the diet to lean out - perfect timing not to be able to do cardio ....

[IliekFude]

is it a hip flexor? groin? doc scheduled yet? see one asap, one with physio or sports background.

[Blut Wump]

Commiserations.

Maybe I should take your story as a wake-up call. As I was past halfway through my deadlift sets today, I felt a fragileness in one of my erectors. On every rep of the remaining sets, I was half-expecting a minor disaster.

[IliekFude]

Commiserations.

Maybe I should take your story as a wake-up call. As I was past halfway through my deadlift sets today, I felt a fragileness in one of my erectors. On every rep of the remaining sets, I was half-expecting a minor disaster.

been there myself. lower left lumbar last dl workout. pushed thru it, threw on the belt and ended at 585.
im probably very lucky i didnt hurt myself seriously, im a dumbfuck sometimes.. very stupid move on my part.
half of it was i was in a commercial gym and thought i was all cool n shit. :clap:

[Killer]

Hey Iliekefude,

I used to work in sports medicine and evaluate these sort of things. It happened on Wed afternoon. It is better today.

It is def a adductor strain. Pain in adduction, not much in hip flexion.

They usually do not operate unless it is avulsed, even then surgery is not 100% indicated.

I have bruising today.

I am pissed cuz I just started to do cardio and lean out, but more pissed cuz I should have stopped, no matter how minor the pain on the 2nd set was.

Be smart fellas. Do not be dumb like me.

[BodyGoals]

Killer, you need anything let me know.

[Gymgurl]

Dr yet??

[richd328]

Feel better bro, just a matter of time before it happens to me again.

[Big Sky Guy]

Killer- been at that moment of decision 3 times this past year and by sheer grace have not ruined my HF by going against every fiber of my being and unracking the weight and going home like a whipped dog...now I am ever more glad I did.

Prayers for quick healing man!

[Blut Wump]

It sucks to pack up and quit a session when you get a twinge but it's the only way to be sure you'll be back for the following session.

[Killer]

I was able to lay down without spasms and put on my own shoes today! Exciting times.

Point tender over pubic bone. No more bleeding though.

Will start some gentle ROM soon.

Hope to do a super strict arm workout today, but will be challenge.

Like Blunt said, any twinge - just stop. I should know better. Actually, it would have been better to just have it happen - then I could not say I should have stopped.

[richd328]

Killer, I missed something, what stopped bleeding? Did you have some internal bleeding. Glad your feeling better.

[Ulter]

I hope you the skipped the arm workout.
I'm glad it's improving for you Bro.

[MR. BMJ]

You better be able to walk by the time we meet up in a few weeks. Ulter told me that he was wanting to take you out for a 5 mile run:eek::lol:

What was bleeding? I didn't understand that either. Ugh....i'm getting bad picturesin my head after you mentioned "pubic region" and "bleeding."

BMJ
:bmj:

[*Bunny*]

Killer how are you??

[Killer]

Remember that any time you get a strain (pulled muscle) your a tearing muscle fibers. The more severe the sprain (graded I - III) the more tearing which normally equals brusing caused by bleeding.

BMJ - you should have some bad pictures in your mind. It is not pretty. I strained the adductor magnus or longus right at the muscle tendon junction to the pubic bone. The area is swollen and looks pretty weird. And bruising flows down due to gravity - so you can guess where that has gone!!! The wifey is freaked out!!! :ohnoes: I told her she can get the brusing out though ;)

BTW I have not run since college football so I did not see that happening anyway - maybe some late night Denny's instead??

I did go out to a club Saturday night though! Did not drive and could move a little bit on the dance floor. Of course it hurt when a big ass gets pushed into the area - but that is pain I will take anyday!!! :banana:

Yeah Ulter - I decided to bag the workouts. I could have went in and screwed around a little with not much stimualtion for upper body and just irritated my groin. I will probably wait till Monday so I can lift with some effort and not have to worry about screaming and grabbing my crouch!!

[MR. BMJ]

lol....I was just gonna comment that you probably are not busting many moves out on the dance floor right now:lol:

I'd be freakin' out if I got bruising down in that area.:eek:

That's good that you are knowledgeable on this though because i'd probably think I was dieing or something.

Dude, Denny's is the bomb at night, that would be a big hell yeah:D

Besides, I have no dance moves so now you can chill with me as one of the junior high kids on the side of the dance floor staring at everybody else dancing....hahaha....like Napolean Dynamite:)

BMJ
:bmj:

[Killer]

With an ass rubbing you, you barely need any moves!!! :biggthumpup:

Yeah, if not for my knowledge, I would have been in the emergency room after it happened. It is the first time I have almost blacked out from pain.

The smart thing is that I did not try to drive home cuz it really started to spasm on the way home, if I had been driving it would have been bad.

Dennys = appetizer sampler platter and Moons over Mi-hami with curly fries!!!

[sassy69]

With an ass rubbing you, you barely need any moves!!! :biggthumpup:

Yeah, if not for my knowledge, I would have been in the emergency room after it happened. It is the first time I have almost blacked out from pain.

The smart thing is that I did not try to drive home cuz it really started to spasm on the way home, if I had been driving it would have been bad.

Dennys = appetizer sampler platter and Moons over Mi-hami with curly fries!!!

So in essence, Denny's saved you....

[Kap]

How did I miss this thread? I know all about what happened from your e-mail, but I like to also be a part of your well-wishers :)

Now heal up so that you can get under some weight again! :)

[strawberryriddick]

Did a search on Adductor Strain, came back with this:

"For immediate relief, follow the R.I.C.E. treatment plan. Rest, ice, compression and elevation are the best immediate treatment for pulls and strains. Avoid aggravating activities for the first one to two weeks and gradually return to sports. Once activity is started again, ice the muscle after exercise to reduce any swelling. After applying the ice, wrap the thigh to keep it compressed. An anti-inflammatory can be helpful to reduce pain and inflammation for up to a week after the injury.
When inflammation subsides, you can start a stretching program. And then a strengthening program of low-intensity exercises.

Running may be started during recovery, but it should be gentle, gradual and not include hill or sprint work. Pay attention to signs of pain or increased tenderness, and reduce exercise if any develops. Stretch gently and never force a stretch. A return to activity should be possible within two or three weeks."

Some standing and sitting yoga poses may help ease the pain. Good, easy, gentle stretches is what you'll focus on. 5-15 minutes a day.

[NURSEPIMP]

Killer, I am sorry to hear this. You def aimed me in the right direction with my shoulder injury/surgery.

It sucks seeing you hurt.

get well soon bro.

NP

[Killer]

Update

Brusing is going away
Point tender along pubis
Lump (could still be swelling) on right side of pubis
Walking normal
Pretty good strength on bent and straight knee adduction

What does all this mean?

I avulsed the adductor from my pubis. Could be total or partial. Surgery is sometime indicated, but often the addcutor will re-attach and function will still be good.

[*Bunny*]

The area is swollen and looks pretty weird. And bruising flows down due to gravity - so you can guess where that has gone!!! The wifey is freaked out!!! :ohnoes: I told her she can get the brusing out though ;)
hahahahahahahahah

that's funny. I :heart: how you just self diagnose, too often people to that incorrectly. :)

Be well.

[sassy69]

Update

Brusing is going away
Point tender along pubis
Lump (could still be swelling) on right side of pubis
Walking normal
Pretty good strength on bent and straight knee adduction

What does all this mean?

I avulsed the adductor from my pubis. Could be total or partial. Surgery is sometime indicated, but often the addcutor will re-attach and function will still be good.



I avulsed the adductor from my pubis.

If you take this out of context it sounds kinda kinky....:hitit:

[strawberryriddick]

Update

Brusing is going away
Point tender along pubis
Lump (could still be swelling) on right side of pubis
Walking normal
Pretty good strength on bent and straight knee adduction

What does all this mean?

I avulsed the adductor from my pubis. Could be total or partial. Surgery is sometime indicated, but often the addcutor will re-attach and function will still be good.
Maybe see an MD without "Web" in his name? Might give you more peace of mind.

[Killer]

I went ahead and so my ortho on Friday. What does that tell you when I "have" an ortho???

It is classified as a soft tissue injury to the pelvis.

I got an MRI today to see what exaclty is going on, but surgery is not really an option and the rehab protocol will be the same - but I wanted to know what exactly was injured and the extent of it - plus the off chance that something freaky was going on and would change the treatment options.

But, I thought it would be a 6 - 8 week recovery till I was 100%, but I have never seen anything like this. The doc told me I won't even be rehabbing for 4 weeks and it will be quite a while till I am training again.

Sassy - I like the way you think!!! LOL :tongue2: We were all quite a sight on Saturday night = the hobbling wounded.

On the bright side, the bruising is about all gone! But getting on the MRI table and into position almost killed me. They asked if I needed a blanket - "ah no, I worked up quite a sweat getting here."

[Fawkes]

Ouch. SOrry to hear that. I had a friend tear his levator ani from heavy leg presses.

I was playing basketball 2 years ago and pulled what I think was my pectineal muscle - had a bruise 6 X 8 inches on my thigh. It was a good size hematoma.

It still bothers me and I have to stretch it daily.

[Killer]

Got back my MRI results today.

Complete rupture of adductor longus from pubic bone and stripping rectus abdominus right tendon to pubic bone.

Oh, and we do not stop there ....

Chronic tears in left hamstring that are moderate to severe and in the right mild to moderate tears and a deep partial tear.

They ortho is consulting with his group to see what to do about the adductor. As I said above, surgery is not 100% always indicated, so I will see what they have to say.

I need a :beer:

I expected the news about the adductor (although I was hoping for a partial tear), but the hams were like twisting the knife. Argh ....

[Killer]

Update

FINALLY heard back from my ortho. We are going to do rehab. I have an appt with another ortho in about 2 weeks (he is gone this month) for a 2nd opinion, but it has been 5 weeks now, so I really want to try rehab and see what happens at this point. From what I have read adductor strength is often not the same as before, but full performance returns.

My adductor will not re-attach - it will just chill. My ab tear will heal up.

Not sure about the hematoma. It may have to be taken out at a later date. I was reading some research where the bleeding can continue. As I have no exp with such a traumatic injury, I do not know what to expect.

Last Saturday I did some leg extensions, some light RDLs, this kind of rehab movement where you do a one leg squat with one leg hanging off a platform (I did not go deep), and standing calf raises. I was feeling good.

Until ....

I had to take a couple pieces of luggage downstairs on Sunday. My abs did not like that. Then when I was carrying the lightest baby luggage (it was less then 10 lbs)- I shifted my weight to my right leg and my adductor killed for a while. I spent the next 3 days walking a lot and was fine (but also it may have been some sexual positions that I should not have been doing or some semi-drunken bowling in which I just stood there and gentle rolled the ball but still....) then on Wednesday my adductor (not the one I tore but a different one) was hurting and is still hurting today when I get up from a seated position then have to move my right leg.

All this means that Kap and someone else will be carrying most of my stuff when I move :help: