A doctor told me...

[KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa]

If you are an athlete or bodybuilder(he said means lift 2-3 hrs 5 times a week)
you should get half your weight in protein, no more.

He said too much protein is bad for you, and that increases in protein intake do not make you gain muscle, it turns into fat.

So for a 200 lb man you should only get 100g protein no more

He also said that to much protein can make you go into ketosis.

And that protein drinks and bars are bad for you b/c you do not need them b/c you will get too much protein.

[jpt]

get your doctor to a doctor....he's extremely sick!

[NWMUSCLE]

Yes, and sadly for me in all my glorious years on the planet, I have learned that most Phd's know VERY little and just enough to get through Med school.

Did he give you any data to verify his off the cuff statements?
LOL we all know the answer.
I would just educate yourself as much as possible and take all their bullshit witha grain of salt.
Did this Dr. look to be healthy at all to you ?
Again we know the answer, my ex used to get so pissed at me for not respecting these assholes, but as little as I know I could sut right there and prove 'em wrong with the studies and data I always bring with me and keep ready for ammo!....LOL

No-one cares for your own health as much as you do I assure you !

[DrewDog]

a)ask doctor if he got his MD at the same school Clemen's trainer got his PhD
b)walk out
c)find a doctor who has a clue

[KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa]

I do not go to him as a doctor but he is a doctor and a teacher at a college

[KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa]

I couldnt beleive what he was saying

He told us that a 200 lb man who is an athlete should not eat more than 100g of protein b/c it turns into fat and will not get him bigger just make him sick

[KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa]

Originally Posted by NWMUSCLE

Yes, and sadly for me in all my glorious years on the planet, I have learned that most Phd's know VERY little and just enough to get through Med school.

Did he give you any data to verify his off the cuff statements?
LOL we all know the answer.
I would just educate yourself as much as possible and take all their bullshit witha grain of salt.
Did this Dr. look to be healthy at all to you ?
Again we know the answer, my ex used to get so pissed at me for not respecting these assholes, but as little as I know I could sut right there and prove 'em wrong with the studies and data I always bring with me and keep ready for ammo!....LOL

No-one cares for your own health as much as you do I assure you !

you're right, he gave us no data and he doesnt look in shape

[MR. BMJ]

He is 30 years behind times. That's the problem with most professors/teachers....once they have completed their academics, they stop trying to educate themselves as lifetime students, and convert totally to outdated teaching after a few years.

BMJ

[Cynical Simian]

Once they get the Hall of Fame back up, you might enjoy taking a look at a thread by Bjaarki about a "discussion" he had with a prominent academic in some nutrition-related field about the place of carbs in one's diet. Many of the things that professionals who aren't themselves into this lifestyle spout about what's "best" for weight-training individuals would make even a bodybuilding.com newbie wince.

Bottom line: the ignorance of (the vast majority of) the medical field and exercise and nutrition science researchers is often astounding.

[*Bunny*]

How many hours are MDs required to take in nutrition? wasnt it only 6? Ulter?

Tells you something right there.

[macrophage69alpha]

just a couple studies showing him dead wrong

1: J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2007 Sep 26;4:8. Links
International Society of Sports Nutrition position stand: protein and exercise.Campbell B, Kreider RB, Ziegenfuss T, La Bounty P, Roberts M, Burke D, Landis J, Lopez H, Antonio J.
Exercise and Sport Nutrition Laboratory, Dept, of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, One Bear Place 97313, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA. Richard_Kreider@baylor.edu.

ABSTRACT: POSITION STATEMENT: The following seven points related to the intake of protein for healthy, exercising individuals constitute the position stand of the Society. They have been approved by the Research Committee of the Society. 1) Vast research supports the contention that individuals engaged in regular exercise training require more dietary protein than sedentary individuals. 2) Protein intakes of 1.4 - 2.0 g/kg/day for physically active individuals is not only safe, but may improve the training adaptations to exercise training. 3) When part of a balanced, nutrient-dense diet, protein intakes at this level are not detrimental to kidney function or bone metabolism in healthy, active persons. 4) While it is possible for physically active individuals to obtain their daily protein requirements through a varied, regular diet, supplemental protein in various forms are a practical way of ensuring adequate and quality protein intake for athletes. 5) Different types and quality of protein can affect amino acid bioavailability following protein supplementation. The superiority of one protein type over another in terms of optimizing recovery and/or training adaptations remains to be convincingly demonstrated. 6) Appropriately timed protein intake is an important component of an overall exercise training program, essential for proper recovery, immune function, and the growth and maintenance of lean body mass. 7) Under certain circumstances, specific amino acid supplements, such as branched-chain amino acids (BCAA's), may improve exercise performance and recovery from exercise.


1: Eur J Appl Physiol. 2007 May;100(1):27-33. Epub 2007 Feb 2. Links
Protein requirements in male adolescent soccer players.Boisseau N, Vermorel M, Rance M, Duché P, Patureau-Mirand P.
Laboratoire des Adaptations Physiologiques aux Activités Physiques, EA 3813, Faculté des Sciences du Sport, 4 allée Jean Monnet, 86000, Poitiers, France. nathalie.boisseau@univ-poitiers.fr

Few investigations have studied protein metabolism in children and adolescent athletes which makes difficult the assessment of daily recommended dietary protein allowances in this population. The problematic in paediatric competitors is the determination of additional protein needs resulting from intensive physical training. The aim of this investigation was to determine protein requirement in 14-year-old male adolescent soccer players. Healthy male adolescent soccer players (N = 11, 13.8 +/- 0.1 year) participated in a short term repeated nitrogen balance study. Diets were designed to provide proteins at three levels: 1.4, 1.2 and 1.0 g protein per kg body weight (BW). Nutrient and energy intakes were assessed from 4 day food records corresponding to 4 day training periods during 3 weeks. Urine was collected during four consecutive days and analysed for nitrogen. The nitrogen balances were calculated from mean daily protein intake, mean urinary nitrogen excretion and estimated faecal and integumental nitrogen losses. Nitrogen balance increased with both protein intake and energy balance. At energy equilibrium, the daily protein intake needed to balance nitrogen losses was 1.04 g kg(-1) day(-1). This corresponds to an estimated average requirement (EAR) for protein of 1.20 g kg(-1) day(-1) and a recommended daily allowance (RDA) of 1.40 g kg(-1) day(-1) assuming a daily nitrogen deposition of 11 mg kg(-1). The results of the present study suggest that the protein requirements of 14-year-old male athletes are above the RDA for non-active male adolescents.

1: Eur J Appl Physiol. 2002 Dec;88(3):288-93. Epub 2002 Oct 30. Links
Protein intake and nitrogen balance in male non-active adolescents and soccer players.Boisseau N, Le Creff C, Loyens M, Poortmans JR.
Laboratoire d'Analyse de la Performance Motrice Humaine (LAPMH), Faculté des Sciences du Sport, Université de Poitiers, 4 allée Jean Monnet, 86000 Poitiers, France. nathalie.boisseau@univ-poitiers.fr

Recommendations for the requirements for protein intake amount usually to 0.8-1.0 g x kg(-1) body mass x day(-1) in adolescents without any reference to the undertaking of acute exercise or to the training status. The present investigation intended to determine the nitrogen balance and protein intake in 8 healthy male non-active adolescents and 11 adolescent soccer players, both groups aged about 15 years. An assessment of nutrient intake was obtained by analysing 7 day food records collected by a questionnaire. Nitrogen excretion rate was determined and nitrogen balance was calculated from the mean daily protein intake and the urinary excretion. The results showed that the nutritional status of the two groups was similar. Nevertheless, we found that their diets were quite inappropriate in terms of the intakes of carbohydrate, some minerals (zinc, calcium, magnesium), vitamins (A, B6, D) and fibre. A positive nitrogen balance was observed from a mean protein intake of 1.57 g x kg(-1) body mass x day(-1) in these adolescents, whether they were non-active or athletes. Thus, the present investigation indicated that the growth and development in non-active adolescents and in adolescent soccer-players give rise to a need for a higher protein intake than is usually recommended. However, the higher protein requirements did not seem to be related only to the increased energy expenditure imposed by the exercise training in the soccer-player group.

[Ulter]

Yes. An MD needs only 6 hours of nutrition to graduate medical school.

[*Bunny*]

Originally Posted by Ulter

Yes. An MD needs only 6 hours of nutrition to graduate medical school.

Thanks


Kodak (sorry I forgot the rest of your long user name )
Can you print what mac posted and give it to him? Just so he doesn't give that advice to anyone else?

Im being serious

[KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa]

Originally Posted by *Bunny*

Thanks


Kodak (sorry I forgot the rest of your long user name )
Can you print what mac posted and give it to him? Just so he doesn't give that advice to anyone else?

Im being serious

i would but this guy doesnt care. he has said that studies are manipulated to say what they want, and would say this study is wrong

[*Bunny*]

Originally Posted by KoDaKmOmEnTgOgEtMyCaMeRa

i would but this guy doesnt care. he has said that studies are manipulated to say what they want, and would say this study is wrong

Someone needs to go back to med school. I definitely find a new doctor in your network.