Michelle Obama: Proud of Country for First Time

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Michelle Obama made these comments to a crowd in Milwaukee yesterday. I guess her life has been pretty depressing til now.

[IronSlade]

Well, yeah, until this campaign no one even heard of her.

[midlifecrisis]

I guess she wasnt around in the days following the 09/11 attacks. Because I cant imagine an American or any person living here that didnt feel a sense of pride watching us come together the way we did. Watching all the stories of hero's like the folks on Flight 93, Congress singing together hand in hand on the capitol steps, the firemen working relentlessly for days without sleep, and our teary eyed President vowing from a pile of rubble that we would chase these bastards to the edges of the earth and beyond.(which we have and still are) Putting aside how you feel today, can you honestly say that on that day you didnt feel a sense of pride because if you didnt you have no soul. So I assure you that Mrs. Obama pumped her fist and swelled up with pride when President Bush spoke after 09/11 too, she just wont and cant admit it now.

[BIG SMT]

They were around during 9/11....with the muslims planning the attacks probably. There seems to be a lot of wierd shit going on with that guy.

[NewVader]

Originally Posted by BIG SMT

They were around during 9/11....with the muslims planning the attacks probably. There seems to be a lot of wierd shit going on with that guy.

your comments about Obama are simply ridiculous...and the one about the Muslims (the overwhelming majority of which have nothing to do with 9/11) are even a bit racist ...


Michelle Obama meant this is the first time in her adult life that she is proud of the "AMERICAN PEOPLE" doing something meaningful for change.
That's all she meant.
If you listen to the whole speech including the sentence following that one it is clear.

I would give much more credit to her rather than to all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better...

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by NewVader

your comments about Obama are simply ridiculous...and the one about the Muslims (the overwhelming majority of which have nothing to do with 9/11) are even a bit racist ...


Michelle Obama meant this is the first time in her adult life that she is proud of the "AMERICAN PEOPLE" doing something meaningful for change.
That's all she meant.
If you listen to the whole speech including the sentence following that one it is clear.

I would give much more credit to her rather than to all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better...

No offense, but I havent heard her come out and clarify what she meant, so I really see no way that you know what she meant. And your statement lumping all conservatives together as not doig anythng to make the country better is just as ignorant and "racist" as the remark you just ridiculed above. See the similarity? See the glaring contridiciton?

[NewVader]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

No offense, but I havent heard her come out and clarify what she meant, so I really see no way that you know what she meant. And your statement lumping all conservatives together as not doig anythng to make the country better is just as ignorant and "racist" as the remark you just ridiculed above. See the similarity? See the glaring contridiciton?

no, see I didn't say ALL conservatives, I just referred to those (and there are quite a few) who only talk about America's greatness but do not actually contribute to it.

I am not here to act as Michelle Obama's lawyer, but I think people should focus on facts rather that single statements taken out of context.

There are a number of politicians who are just waiting for their opponents to "slip" with their words to attack them.
In my opinion this is not constructive, and if one has to resort to such shallow tactics it clearly means they have very little substance to offer.

I am not referring to conservatives only, for example I believe Hilary is one of those, trying to attack Obama for using other's people words during a speech (who doesn't??? speeches don't need to have references or footnotes!)
instead of focusing on the real issues. Obama on the other hand seems the only one who doesn't play these dirty tricks. He only states facts, as for example Hilary voting for the war.

There are many conservatives whom I sometimes disagree with but I still respect.
Senator Hagel comes to mind, or even Mccain is worthy of my respect, or for example even Lou Dobbs. I totally disagree with many of the things Lou Dobbs believes in, yet I can see he is a true person, does not use dirty tricks, and is not there to kiss anyone's ass..therefore I still respect him.

I hope this clarifies that there is no similarity with the comments made above nor any glaring contradiction.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by NewVader

no, see I didn't say ALL conservatives, I just referred to those (and there are quite a few) who only talk about America's greatness but do not actually contribute to it.

I am not here to act as Michelle Obama's lawyer, but I think people should focus on facts rather that single statements taken out of context.

There are a number of politicians who are just waiting for their opponents to "slip" with their words to attack them.
In my opinion this is not constructive, and if one has to resort to such shallow tactics it clearly means they have very little substance to offer.

I am not referring to conservatives only, for example I believe Hilary is one of those, trying to attack Obama for using other's people words during a speech (who doesn't??? speeches don't need to have references or footnotes!)
instead of focusing on the real issues. Obama on the other hand seems the only one who doesn't play these dirty tricks. He only states facts, as for example Hilary voting for the war.

There are many conservatives whom I sometimes disagree with but I still respect.
Senator Hagel comes to mind, or even Mccain is worthy of my respect, or for example even Lou Dobbs. I totally disagree with many of the things Lou Dobbs believes in, yet I can see he is a true person, does not use dirty tricks, and is not there to kiss anyone's ass..therefore I still respect him.

I hope this clarifies that there is no similarity with the comments made above nor any glaring contradiction.

No it didnt clear it up. You said "all of those conservatives". Maybe next time you need to say exactly which conservatives, because you wrote "all of those". And again, I dont see the first thing racist about what Big wrote. Can you point out the racist part for me?

Look, its cool to like Obama for whatever your reasons. We get it. But stop being such a homer about it. You have no cred when you throw off on all the conservatives and now Hillary too but defend him and call someone a racist just for making a remark about him. Jeez, if every time someone says something negative about Obama its called racist its going to get old real quick.

And further, I dont beleive people just "slip" and say things. I think we let our gaurd down and allow little glimpses into the real person. And I think thats exactly what she did. I think she is a miserable anti-american terrible choice for first lady. But thats just my opinion.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[NewVader]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

No it didnt clear it up. You said "all of those conservatives". Maybe next time you need to say exactly which conservatives, because you wrote "all of those". And again, I dont see the first thing racist about what Big wrote. Can you point out the racist part for me?

Look, its cool to like Obama for whatever your reasons. We get it. But stop being such a homer about it. You have no cred when you throw off on all the conservatives and now Hillary too but defend him and call someone a racist just for making a remark about him. Jeez, if every time someone says something negative about Obama its called racist its going to get old real quick.

And further, I dont beleive people just "slip" and say things. I think we let our gaurd down and allow little glimpses into the real person. And I think thats exactly what she did. I think she is a miserable anti-american terrible choice for first lady. But thats just my opinion.

look, my post is right up there, reread it.

I said "all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better"

I think that specifies which conservatives I am talking about.

as for Big I din not call him a racist. If this is what appeared, I apologize.

I meant that those comments stated like that, without specifying "which Muslims", were derogatory to Muslims who have nothing to do with 9/11 and don't deserve to be accused of anything.

Again I didn't mean to say BIG is a racist and I apologize if I have been a bit rude...this morning I am grumpy...

on the other hand I firmly believe in what I stated in my next post, about taking sentences out of context.

is it clear now?

[fite4$]

For the most part, all of those conservatives who shout about how great america is ARE doing things to make it better. The ones I know get up in the morning, go to work, pay their taxes, provide for their families, and follow the law. Their kids are the ones who sign up to lay their lives on the line for america, and they're not looking for a handout. They build things, fix things, and move things. They make the world go around so the intellectual elite can sit on their cans and contemplate how to take even more from them.

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by NewVader

look, my post is right up there, reread it.

I said "all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better"

I think that specifies which conservatives I am talking about.

as for Big I din not call him a racist. If this is what appeared, I apologize.

I meant that those comments stated like that, without specifying "which Muslims", were derogatory to Muslims who have nothing to do with 9/11 and don't deserve to be accused of anything.

Again I didn't mean to say BIG is a racist and I apologize if I have been a bit rude...this morning I am grumpy...

on the other hand I firmly believe in what I stated in my next post, about taking sentences out of context.

is it clear now?

No matter how many times we keep re-reading and repeating it, it doesnt change the meaning. I think you are making my point for me. Do you not feel that statement about "all those conservatives who constantly shout about how great America is" is a very wide blanket statment that kind of throws an aweful lot of good peopel under the bus? Heck, my grandpa is a fine man, he is a conservative, and he constantly talks about how great America is, does that make him in some way make him a bad guy? I think you just have to own up to the fact that you made a remark that hurt a lot of good people who frankly, didnt deserve it. And what it made it worse, is that you insulted some good people, then in the same breath called someone a racist.

I think we get it loud and clear, based on your remarks, you dont like Conservatives, and you dont mind throwing a few good ones under the bus while lashing out at the bad ones.

[NewVader]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

No matter how many times we keep re-reading and repeating it, it doesnt change the meaning. I think you are making my point for me. Do you not feel that statement about "all those conservatives who constantly shout about how great America is" is a very wide blanket statment that kind of throws an aweful lot of good peopel under the bus? Heck, my grandpa is a fine man, he is a conservative, and he constantly talks about how great America is, does that make him in some way make him a bad guy? I think you just have to own up to the fact that you made a remark that hurt a lot of good people who frankly, didnt deserve it. And what it made it worse, is that you insulted some good people, then in the same breath called someone a racist.

I think we get it loud and clear, based on your remarks, you dont like Conservatives, and you dont mind throwing a few good ones under the bus while lashing out at the bad ones.

Dude,

I tried to explain myself, I even apologized...what else do you want?

I am sure your grandpa is a fine man, I just don't AGREE with conservatives.
I don't agree with most of their values.
In addition I think some are just hypocrites, and the ones who are actually fine people (and I am sure you grandpa falls under this category) don't really realize that they are working their ass off and get very little in return while at the same time corporations and the top 1% of the population get richer and richer...

don't mean to throw anyone under the bus trust me, I believe in good people.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[midlifecrisis]

Well there are plenty of good, well intentioned conservatives bro. The media and hollywood doesnt want you to think that and will do all they can to promote otherwise, but its true, most are good people with good values and intentions for our country.


And I know most everyone on this board well enough to say that I dont think there is a real racist among us here. Not one. I just want people to be careful throwing a word around that has such deep and serious history and meaning. We cant use that word as lightly as we have. To do so cheapens and weakens the cause of those who experience true racism.

Peace bro.

[Ulter]

look, my post is right up there, reread it.

I said "all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better"

I think that specifies which conservatives I am talking about.

as for Big I din not call him a racist. If this is what appeared, I apologize.

I meant that those comments stated like that, without specifying "which Muslims", were derogatory to Muslims who have nothing to do with 9/11 and don't deserve to be accused of anything.

Again I didn't mean to say BIG is a racist and I apologize if I have been a bit rude...this morning I am grumpy...

on the other hand I firmly believe in what I stated in my next post, about taking sentences out of context.

is it clear now?

NewVader you have to get used to that. Not only do they take Mrs Obama's statements out of context but MLC did one his infamous out of context, cut the sentence up and give it new meaning to you just now. You said, "all those conservatives who continuously shout how great America is but they are actually doing nothing to make this country better..." But he cherry picks the first three words, ignores that you defined which conservatives you were referring to in the rest of the sentence, and then hands it back to you and says, "you said ALL THOSE CONSERVATIVES".