to those who helped with my chest, i really need you now lol

[HULK1550]

ok this is starting to really piss me off. my chest has been fine since the modified workout monday. now i dont know how many saw the pulling vid we put up in primas log but on the 2nd drop set on the 5th rep i felt a tweak in my hammy so i put it down. it was tight the next day (monday) 90% tuesday and yesterday it was fine and i even squatted 600 for reps with no problems at all. thats #1. heres #2
now if anyone remembers that huge bruise on my tricep a couple weeks ago well when in the shower now i have a big dark bruise on my back. like around armpit/lat. so i get outta the shower and prima says have you seen the back of your leg? sure enough ba'am another one on the lower hammy right above my knee.
WTF IS GOING ON? im not tearing all these muscles or i would be in ridiculous pain and in a wheel chair. why are the bruises showing up 4 days after a workout? now i have put on about 45lbs in under 12 wks...could it be fascia tearing/stretching? i only ask because EVERY instance has occurred while doing reps after heavy lifting where the heavy weight was fine with no issues.

[HULK1550]

just re reading that right now i have two. one where the tricep ties into your back delt and one on the bottom of my hammy. i have no pain when i feel these twinges within about 36hrs or so.
the only exception is my chest and thats the only one that hasnt bruised lol.

[BigEasy911]

Those twinged you caveman LOL are tears!!! What do you think the bleeding under your skin is coming from. You feel a twing in your ham and now there is blood. You also have to remember where the tear is is not always where the blood will show in the bruise. Think what effect gravity has. My bet is you are gaining strength faster that certain muscles fibers can handle and some are popping. Unless you suddenly have a issue with blood thinning and lack of clotting very unlikely and it just happens to match up oh so perfectly to the twings which I am sure most other normal people would call intense pain LOL You need to slow down. Even if I am 100% wrong you are having pain and corresponding bruising. You need to back off until you figure out what going on. Drop back the number of sets of intensity at least.

I know you are pulling your hair out with frustration but I think you know the right thing to do. I really am sorry you are having these issues as I know you just want to keep moving at this blinding pace that up till now was working so well.

[Curious George]

Hulk, BE is right. You have got to take it easy. You have not been back that long. Listen to what your body is telling you. I know you are a heardhead and you train hard, no doubt, but if you don't back off just a tad, you could risk being out a looooooong time.

[Cardinal Slin]

45lbs in 12 wks is a lot. It normally takes 2-3 years to gain that amount of muscle. Your body is telling you something, listen!

[BigEasy911]

He is having to listen. The thing is he refuses to believe what he is hearing. LOL And that would be SNAP! CRACKLE! POP! With a few side orders of ping, pong, twing, twang, RRRRIIIPPPPPP!!!, LOL LOL LOL

Sorry Hulk just having some fun but its kind of true ya know. LOL IMO the one thing that keeps saving you from something really bad is you put it down as soon as it happens. The issue is you need to stop before it happens and give you body time to catch back up.

[HULK1550]

so if im tearing all these muscles how am i still at full strength and there isnt pain? ive never heard a pop or any other noise yet and i dont train with an ipod or anything.
if my muscles arent strong enough yet then why havent heavy weights caused one issue? so i have this bruising but no pain at all. dont train at all? if i tore part of my hammy how was i squatting pretty heavy 3 days later with no issues?

[ColdStone]

sounds pretty obvious to me that youre going too heavy too quick. Youre comng off a long break. I would drop the weights down

[Killer]

Hulk, you are getting tears, strains, pulls, or whatever you want to call them.

I will hit up a couple people I know and get their thought's too.

As was said, 45 lbs in 12 weeks and increasing strength as much as you have it insane. You are a beast.

Why there is no dysfunction, I cannot really say.

But I can tell you that twice in my life I have felt a little something and got bruising in my hams and had zero dysfunction and pain. It was weird, just like what is happening to you.

Back off on the weights and take it easy for 2 weeks and see how you feel. Of course the big concern is that the tissues are compromised and if you injure it again you could be in a much worse position.

[HULK1550]

ok so what do i do? im almost worried to do reps becasue thats when everything has happened? or should i just back off the volume. for example work up like i have been where there havent been issues and instead of dropping for reps after just stop since thats when everything happens?

[ColdStone]

why not just take the better part of a week completely off. THen start back up with less volume and lower weights. Sounds like your are on the verge of several, potentially serious injuries.

[Killer]

Higher reps, 12 - 15, but with a lighter weight. Do not come close to failing is what i would do. Say you usually hit 100 lbs for 12. Reduce by about 30% and see how it feels.

Honestly, with all your issues you have going on, I would take a week 5 - 7 days offs. Get a couple deep tissue massages. Do a little warm-up and foam roll (or whatever you like to do for myofascial release) and stretch out (slow and pain free). Then I would come back at reduced lbs and higher reps for a week (once again, we are not talking going to failure). During that week continue to foam roll and stretch. Asses and get back to a normal program, cut back on weight a bit and volume.

What comes to mind, is that your muscle memory, or I should say your ability to use more muscle fibers and contract them faster from your training days, is kicked into high gear and you are passing what your actually tendon/muscle soft tissue can handle. Your CNS is ready and activated, but your soft tissue is not yet.

[HULK1550]

yeah......FUCK! i know youre all right. hell i knew it before i posted this. i didnt train at all yesterday and primas parents are up for the weekend so maybe i need to just stay home. FUCK. i HATE this. God Damnit.

[Killer]

Hey Hulkster,

By chance are you taking a lot fish oil? Or other blood thinners?

[ColdStone]

yeah......FUCK! i know youre all right. hell i knew it before i posted this. i didnt train at all yesterday and primas parents are up for the weekend so maybe i need to just stay home. FUCK. i HATE this. God Damnit.

i know the feeling bud...but a week will pass in no time and youl be happy you did it

[HULK1550]

zero fish oil
zero blood thinners.

on exactly the following and nothing else:
multivitamin
adex 1mg/d
prami 2mg/d
torm 50mg/d
test 750
deca 400
ox 60/d
gh (just started this week) 10iu 5on/2off
nothing else at all except food/water/shake ect

[ColdStone]

how do you feel on 2mg prami?

[HULK1550]

rico my body is weird. i dont feel any different on 2mg than .5. hell i started at1mg/d and had no problems. my body just responds, or i guess i should say doesnt respond the way most do and thats with anything. even when i was a little kid the doctors would have to give me much more of anything its not just the stuff we use.

[Caligula]

I partially tore my pec and it took well over a year to heal...and I can still feel it when I go to heavy too quick. Take it easy now bro and let it heal...cause if it goes, you will be cursing yourself for the next year and half while it makes a very slow recovery...and it will never be the same.

[eliseexige]

Take the weekend, develop the itch to go lift, hit a new PR. Works for me.

[Cardinal Slin]

right now lol. i really like it but we hit a little road block lol

I cut and pasted from RIco's thread so I didn't take his post off topic.

How long were you on the var for your bulker? Results?

Sucks to have to slow things down but it's better than continuing and having to come to a complete halt for a much longer period of time.

[heavyiron]

Sounds like you have dodged a couple of bullets. I would back off a bit.

[porkchop]

And I thought I was hard headed.. :D

take it easy for a few days, and heal!

[emperor12]

Some of my best gains have been during a week off hehe...plus you come back with full power, healed , and full energy

[HULK1550]

And I thought I was hard headed..
oh man you have no idea lol

[Jrod5150]

Those are all signs Hulkster. That same kind of shit started happening to me rite before I blew my shoulder last yr. I ignored all of it and kept pressing on. Shit when I blew my shoulder with those 150lb db's, instead of stopping and going to the dr you know what I did? I grabbed the 120's and continued my set. Then did another 2-3 excersizes and ignored the pain. Woke up the next morning and I couldn't lift up my arm to my belt line. NEVER again will I ignore it.

[Jrod5150]

Also, I know you are training with Prima and broskie with 30" guns and when we train with other competitive folks, we tend to either keep up or try and set the pace. Well, sometimes that can bite us in the ass.

[HULK1550]

thanks for the reply i was just gonna write you since i know last yr you had to take a break and came back.......you run into any of this shit when you came back or just when you had your blow out?

[Jrod5150]

thanks for the reply i was just gonna write you since i know last yr you had to take a break and came back.......you run into any of this shit when you came back or just when you had your blow out?

Just when I had my blow out. Lol. Sense I've been back I've been very careful with my lifts. I have to check myself constantly because I'm even stronger than I was before. Everything is slow and controlled. I squeeze every rep like it's gonna be my last. My form is always in check. I avoid movements that can take me back out. If it hurts or don't feel rite, I fuckin stop. I go do somthing else. Also, I warm up for a good 15 min before I start lifting. I usually start off with band work or the 15lb db's and get the blood flowing to my shoulders and arms.

[BigEasy911]

That's something to consider as well. I woudl think the AAS would some what counter this but not necessarily. Honestly if it was not for the fact the intensity with which you work out is known I would seriously wanting you to go in and get a full blood workup just to be safe.

My guess is youa re creating tears small tears. Not complete or even severe. Look at is like a cotton ball. You grab a bit in each hand and start to pull it apart slowly. Those small strands are like your muscle fibers. You are tearing them little by little but enough trauma to cause bleeding which is bad.

[HULK1550]

BE thats a good analogy. ive had two PTs look at it and they both seem to think it could be what you say or more likely even i am tearing the fascia. either way it just fuckin blows horse cock. i HATE missing training. feel like a fat worthless piece of shit. obviously though i dont need to really tear anything. im so fuckin pissed i cant even put into words. my body has never taken a shit on me before.

[BigEasy911]

The fascia is of course possible but I woudl expect it to be done form your stretching not lifts that do not take extreme elongation of the muscle range but I could be wrong here. Either way you are right it SUCKS!!!! It seems to correlate with the twinges you feel. I would stay drop down a bit from your peak weight and try increasing you reps. Keep the lifts very smooth. Barring anything medically a miss your muscles should catch up with in a few weeks.

[HULK1550]

as i understood, i was prolly too pissed to listen too well. the fascia is basically already stretched by the mere fact of how much mass ive put on quickly. add the extra blood flow and pump during work and its like a balloon that just cant take anymore air. IDK. you still think the gh protocol ect will help heal this up faster. im also not saying in anyway its not muscular it could be both or only what you have said. just the other two guys thought the fascia issue more likely. FUCK FUCK FUCK

[eliseexige]

I really pity Hulk's keyboard.

Just sayin.

[BigEasy911]

Yes that is certainly possible. It my also explain why its happening after your heaviest lift but on drop sets where blood engorgement is at a maximum. Yes GH will still help. Healing tissue

[Jrod5150]

I ran gh and 250mg/week of cyp for the 6 months I was down. I think it defenetly contributed to my speedy recovery.

[Killer]

Did CG talk to you? The back bruise looks like it could be from a bench. The ham one looks more like a traditional injury.

And to clarify, you cannot poke around and feel any pain either?

One guy told me that he is thinking that you have ruptured some capillaries. I will get more of his thoughts on Monday.

And with no dysfunction and the amount of weight you gained, yeah, I can see the fascia tearing.

[HULK1550]

thanks killer.
yes i spoke with cg. the back isnt from a bench. its some weird place where some issue w/ my tricep decided to pool up. there is no tenderness in my hammy whatsoever no matter how hard i poke or roll it.
if it is fascia whats that mean from training/recovery vs muscle tears?

also to clarify all 3 of these things have felt EXACTLY THE SAME. it feels like during the exercise someone just jabs a needle in me. sharp and acute. i put the weight down and there is some tightness. the next day there is some but not much and usually 100% by day 3. then on day 4 i get these wicked bruises.

[BigEasy911]

miss post

[angelo212]

subbed. Curious to see how this turns out. Good luck with everything bro.

[BigEasy911]

You might want to look at this from the other end of things. What a terrible problem to have. Growing and gaining SO fast you are literally splitting at the seams LOL The frustration is understandable, certainly by me, as it sucks because its slowing what could be more growth and strength but maybe step back and look at how far and how fast you have gotten here. Compare this to what you had likely projected these types of gains would take you coming off such a long hiatus. The set back is still something that has to be addressed no doubt I am only speaking of context with which you look upon it so it does not turn you inside out with frustration.

[HULK1550]

BE thanks for that and yes thats how ive looked at it. also better a week now then 6 months later. primas elbows were starting to bother her too so it may have been a blessing in disguise. i mean it was to the point where every workout it seemed like something happened no matter how minor. but yes it really sucks and is demoralizing right in the middle of suck good progress.
before we started training again prima and i guessed how long it would take just to gain a respectable amount of muscle back. she guessed a yr, i guess 8 months. it took about 8 wks lol. ive gained almost 50lbs. thats a lot of stress on the body very quickly no matter what kind of weight it is. so again maybe a blessing in disguise. i have to think that anyways lol.

[BigEasy911]

You realize if that gain is basically all muscle even accounting for the water that a net gain over maintenance calories of: 2500 cal per lb muscle 125,000 cal stored over 8 weeks. Factoring 6000 cal per day intake per day over those 8 weeks. Total 360,000 cal Your body was in a serious anabolic state as its efficiency of caloric intake was thru the roof. That has got make you just feel awesome!!!!! to know your body is capcable of that kind of growth and expansion in that time period.


If you do not mind me asking how are Prima gains doing? Of course I would be just as happy if she answered as well.

In reference to her elbow joints aching has she or you looking into finding a source of injectable hyaluronic acid. It can be injected Intra-articular for acute issue but best for weightlifter where all joints are stressed and general joint health is IM injection for the systemic benefits. Also you only have to take a series and its good for months and months.. Once a week injection for 3-4 weeks is all you need. If you have a good vet for those bull dogs ask him for a script to keep your older dogs joints health. Legend is the popular brand. 20-40 mg once a week injection for 3-4 weeks. Do some reading on it if you have not heard much about it and see what ya think. I use to be able to get it from some of the vet warehouses without a script but I think now since the arthritis community no w knows about it that maybe be harder as those people have to be bone heads about it when ordering it.

[HULK1550]

my sister is a veterinarian lol. ive never heard of the stuff though.
well BE i didnt get dunked at the beginning and havent been tested either. i can tell you my waste is smaller than it was and you can see my top four abs coming in an obliques and you couldnt before. Iron God Prima and 800lb squat who all know what they are doing say ive gotten leaner as well.
Prima has put on about 35lbs. she was thin to start where i was fat so she could be a little more wreckless bulking but she has put on probably 25lbs of muscle as well. its just silly