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silverback88
01-18-2011, 08:19 PM
I've been dealing with some injuries as of recently. I partially tore a muscle in my forearm deadlifting about a month and a half back. I was thinking of taking 250mg of test a week to help speed up the healing. However, I cannot find any evidence that test helps recover from injuries. I've only heard that EQ and var do. But, I had a lower back injury that went away COMPLETELY after starting my first cycle which was 500mg of test e for 14 weeks.

Thoughts?

makavelli
01-18-2011, 09:09 PM
Almost all AAS will increase recovery

silverback88
01-18-2011, 09:59 PM
So do you think it'd be beneficial for me to do that then?

Jrod5150
01-18-2011, 10:29 PM
Yup

lene28
01-18-2011, 11:40 PM
Test, Var, HGH. I've never read anything about EQ but it is a testosterone derivative so it wouldn't surprise me.

FrancoGonzo
01-19-2011, 10:28 AM
I've been dealing with some injuries as of recently. I partially tore a muscle in my forearm deadlifting about a month and a half back. I was thinking of taking 250mg of test a week to help speed up the healing. However, I cannot find any evidence that test helps recover from injuries. I've only heard that EQ and var do. But, I had a lower back injury that went away COMPLETELY after starting my first cycle which was 500mg of test e for 14 weeks.

Thoughts?

Where was it toren? Test alone does not help connective tissue heal.
Testosterone injections decrease collagen synthesis by 50 - 80% which is very bad for the joints.

(originally posted by AnimalMass)

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.


So usage will depend on exactly what the problem is.

makavelli
01-19-2011, 01:17 PM
Test is highly anabolic which will help increase recovery in the muscle.

silverback88
01-19-2011, 01:31 PM
Either my wrist flexor or brachioradialis. I didn't go to a doctor because I don't want to pay a grand for an MRI and have them tell me to just rest. :) The arm that was injured had an underhand grip on the bar while deadlifting, to give you an idea how it happened. The last 2-3 weeks I've layed off completely from it and I managed to curl a 30lb dumbbell with it yesterday, with no pain. So, it's not horrible. It's been about 50 days since it happened though. You're probably thinking I strained it but I FELT the tear.

I'm gonna try to do some light back work tomorrow and see how it goes.

I read the same thing about test decreasing collagen synthesis as well, but only if it's 250mg+.

After reading Franco's post, HGH FTW. Too bad I cannot afford it.

silverback88
01-19-2011, 01:36 PM
I did 125mg last night and am planning on doing 250 a week for a few weeks and then bumping it up to 500.

makavelli
01-19-2011, 01:53 PM
Either my wrist flexor or brachioradialis. I didn't go to a doctor because I don't want to pay a grand for an MRI and have them tell me to just rest. :) The arm that was injured had an underhand grip on the bar while deadlifting, to give you an idea how it happened. The last 2-3 weeks I've layed off completely from it and I managed to curl a 30lb dumbbell with it yesterday, with no pain. So, it's not horrible. It's been about 50 days since it happened though. You're probably thinking I strained it but I FELT the tear.

I'm gonna try to do some light back work tomorrow and see how it goes.

I read the same thing about test decreasing collagen synthesis as well, but only if it's 250mg+.

After reading Franco's post, HGH FTW. Too bad I cannot afford it.

When doing bent over rows or deadlifts use an overhand grip. I know that you are stronger with an underarm grip, but it can cause an injury to your forearm and bicep. That's how Dorian tore his bicep back in the '90's. I used to use an underarm grip, but switch to overarm about 10 years ago.

silverback88
01-19-2011, 01:59 PM
Good advice. Thanks man. A few days ago I thought the same thing and was telling myself I was gonna deadlift with both hands overhand when I get back to it. I'm actually stronger w/ overhand grip on bent over rows but I feel my lats engage more with the underhand grip. Either way, def overhand everything for awhile.