need help on first show

[papasung]

i have 5 and a half month to go and i want to enter a novice show on my island and i was wondering how i should bulk and cut when to start bulking and cutting and when to stop Also what should i take i was thinking of test ene durabolin and dbols for bulking and winstrol t-3 fina anavar and clen and masteron. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[DREXX]

What are your stats now?

Is this your first show?

Post more details and we can better advise you!

If it's not hard it's not worth doing...

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My words exactly DREXX my man..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

symmetry over size

[papasung]

ok my stats are 145lbs 5'11 height 5-10% body fat good structure and i am looking to put on another 35-45lbs by now and febuary.How much should i bulk i am thinking of using test ene,dbols and deca or durabolin for 6 weeks and then winst,t-3(if i get enough size),trenbolone,masteron ,clen and anavar.I would only use all of these cutting agents if i gain enough size but if i don't get that 30+ lbs i would not use so much cutting agents i think i need to bulk more than i need to cut so i think i might bulk for the rest of the yr then use the 4 weeks of january and the 1 or two weeks of febuary to cut because i have a very hard and lean body i get rip fast so i think getting the size would be the main goal.I am eating 3000kcals right now is that enough or do i need to up it a bit more ?What do you think?

[DREXX]

First off you need to tells us if you are 5% or 10% bodyfat.

There is a huge difference.

It takes me almost 10 weeks to diet from 10% to 5%

At 145lbs your are very small for someone so tall. I would recommend you wait atleast another year too compete. You should take a year to bulk up and then take 4 months to diet down carefully.

If you come in as a middleweight (155-176lbs) you will get your ass whipped you being so tall.

If you really want to compete I will help you but tell us what your actual bodyfat is

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[Beezers]

At 5'11" 145 is way too small. I'm not trying to squash your goals here, but take some time and add the necessary muscle mass. Forget about competing for a year or two and just build the foundation for a great physique...MASS. Don't even worry about being lean and cut at this point. Work on growing. Cuts and shape mean nothing without size to accent them.

[papasung]

thanks guys i know you are not insulting me i know i am alot smaller than the average 5'11 guy but i really think i can compete in this novice show because the other guys in the show are guys who have a hard time getting hard and cut .It would be harder for them to get cut than it would be for me to get mass.I know i can beat them so i will go in it .I will not get rip apart i know i can do it .My bodyfat is around 6% right now and i don't look like i am 145lbs ,when i tell guys i am 145 they are very surprise i look more like 170.Can i have that help now i need it.Should i continue eating 3000kcal a day or should i up it some more?With the time i have left i am looking to mass up for 4months and diet for 2 months how about that ?I am going in this contest and i will win.

[papasung]

hey drexx i am coming to canada to workout in november maybe we can hook up.

[DREXX]

You are definitly an ectomorph.

That means you need to bulk up big time.

I would recommend you bulk like hell for 2 months and then take your bodyfat and we can say if you should stop bulking, maintain or get cutting.

Here is a guide...

8% bodyfat take 8 weeks to diet
10% bodyfat take 12 weeks to diet
12% bodyfat take 16 weeks to diet

Right now start eating as much as you can.

I would recommend you increase calories every other week by 300cals.

now - 3000cals
2 weeks - 330cals
4 weeks - 3600cals
6 weeks - 3900cals
8 weeks - 4200cals
and on and on

The reason is that going from 3000 to 5000 calories will be impossible for you. You need to taper calories up.

As far as drugs I would use between 500-1000mg of test per week and that's it for now.

When you plateau then you can add in dbol and deca.

For cutting Test, winni, fina, eq

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[papasung]

ok drexx thanks alot man i am greatfull for the help.Now what kind of test is best for me to use ?I have used ene,prop and sus before but this time i want to try cyp what do you think?For me to use 500 to 1000mg of test i will have to be on alot of antiestrogens do you think i should use nolv and prov together or arimedix?How should i take 500-1000mg of test and don't you think i should stack it with something else?

[DREXX]

Enanthate, Cyp, Sust, Prop it's all test and the results will be nearly the same. Go for the cheapest test.

I said test alone because I assumed you had never done a cycle and for some one as ectomorph as you I would recommend TEST and dbol to gain mass. You are looking for brute mass for now.

Arimidex is far superior to nolva and proviron. I would recommend arimidex at 0.25-0.5mg per day.

What are the cycles you have done and what where the doseages?

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[papasung]

would you beleive i never really took a proper cycle before ?But after reading WAR and educating myself i am now ready to do a real cycle .Here is what i have done so far only last yr i was 125lbs that's right 125lbs it's crazy isn't it?The first thing i took was 50mg of deca but that was nothing i thought i would shoot up on that then i took 100mg and nothing happen so i thought deca was nonsense but i know better now.I then took 1 amp of sus 250 and i blow up in a week then i gain 5lbs on that 1 amp and i still have that 5lbs to this day then another time i did 2amps of sus and i gain another 5lbs which i kept .I had to much soreness so i did not do the other 2 amps.Then resently i decided to do a real cycle so i took 1 ene for week one then i took prop for 2 weeks every other day and then i use another ene for the 4th week and that worked well for me .Oh i for got last yr this time i took some dbols (naposim) for 3 weeks and i gain about 7lbs it was 4 tabs a day.The ene work nice i like it .It shoot me up quickly and i am getting some dbols next week so when should i start this shit?

[DREXX]

Take 500mg of Test per week for 6 weeks and then tell me where you are at!!!

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[W8's]

gain some mass then decide what you want to do.

[papasung]

so start the test for 6weeks then get back to you?ok what if i use prop i have nuff 100mg of prop how can i take 500 of that a week?or should i wait till i get some eneth which i am getting soon then what about anti estrogens while i am on the test which should i get and how much .I don't want to get no gyno nor no soreness so how would i be able to avoid the soreness remember i told you when i hit 1 ene i had sorness in 4 days so you could imagine if i hit 2 amps a week.Let me know how to avoid the soreness.

[RoNiN]

Regarding the weight that you should be at , I disagree with what weight you "should be" on stage. It has all to do with the condition , size and shape you are.

For example , I'm about 5'11'' ( maybe 1/2 inch taller because I'm about 6'0'' with shoes ) and I won a local middleweight division at 170.

Do keep in mind however that not everyone looks good with those numbers and I have small bones and was VERY depleted at the time ( I weighted 183 lbs at 32 hours after the weigh in ).

Just give it your best shot and learn from your mistakes.

[papasung]

thanks man i will give it my best shot and only today i herd of 3 more guys who are going in the novice contest and so far we have 10 guys that i know about and all of them are fare size only about 3 of them so far are about good size but they have a hard time getting hard they have that soft look to them so i will keep monitoring the compitition.Most of the guys are getting their stuff from me so i won't give them what i would give myself and that is the stuff to get hard .They would only get stuff to get them big but when it comes time to seriously get hard i would have the advantage .OH you said you have small bones well me to .I am at 145 now and i am trying to get to 175 -185lbs so i think i will bulk for the rest of the yr because it is so easy for me to get hard and rip i will bulk till december then cut from jan untill the show.

[DREXX]

RoNiN as competed agains't me and whipped my ass /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So yeah he is right size isn't everything but still he was 170lbs on stage and you will be 140lbs if you don't add more mass.

Take 5 x 100mg of Prop per week and 0.5mg of Arimidex per day for 6 weeks then we will see where you are at.

Eat as much as you can and aim to gain atleast 20lbs.

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[gopro]

Just want to let you know that when I started training I weighed 125 at a height of 5 feet 11 and a half inches.I wasn't all that lean either,displaying very little muscle definition.At the same height I now compete at 205 at 3-4% bodyfat.My strength is symmetry and proportion,not size,but I am often mistaken for 215-220.Anyway,just adding this in to let you know you can succeed.By the way,I won my first show,Natural Mr Eastern USA,at a weight of 170!

symmetry over size

[RoNiN]

Well I wouldn't say whipped , It just happened to
be my day but your day will come as it did for me.

Drexx is right on the starting point of dieting , I should also tell you that I was 211 lbs BEFORE dieting. If you added 15-20 lbs of muscle and bulked to 170 lbs ( even with a low bodyfat ) you are going to lose at least 15-20 lbs of fat and water if you do everything right. Assuming you do not lose any muscle while dieting you would then step on stage at 155 which even I agree is a little too light for someone your height. I'm of the opinion that a middleweight is the lightest you should ever be for anyone over 5'9''. Anything less then that you cannot possibly have enough muscle thickness and density to compete and win. Yes I did ok at 170 but I feel I'm too light and need alot more size to compete with my height.

What this is all to say is if you are starting your diet at 145 you probably will be too light. The best thing for you to do is take a step back and relax and come up with a plan to complete in 18-24 months doing the following:

months phase
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1 - 14 offseason ( gaining as much weight as possible , eating as much as possible , don't worry about gaining some fat but eat as clean as you can , train with heavy weights but don't do cardio )

15 - 18 pre-contest ( diet off the fat and prepare for the competition , train a little lighter and do cardio ).


This is what I did after finishing school and that was how I prepared for the local show as a middleweight.