sparring LBM during caloric restriction.........advice needed......

Unity66 · 06-17-2001, 08:21 PM

ok.......ive been on a gram of enanthate and dbol for 8wks now (tornel t-200)
now ive dropped the dbol and am running a mild 500mg/wk of primoteston-d.......my question is this.

my stats are 5'6 @216lbs....12% according to my skin fold measurements.

my goal is to really restrict calories.......no more than 1500/day and eat roughly 200-250g protein as im a fan of zero-carb whey protien prods......

is this a dosage of anabolics sufficient to spare my LBM and preserve what ive achieved while dropping bodyfat and lowering my adidpose tissue levels? i have test, boldenone, dbol, drol, tren, sust, prop, arimidex, proviron, clomid, h.c.g, t-3, clen and nolva on hand.........

i had planned to run 500mg of primotest to see how i respond to it over the t-200.......is the dosage to low?

also......i plan on utilizing tren and t-3 the final 4-6wks and am awaiting the results of DPSO and my batch of the spanish oxandrolone which fonz is testing for us and we will post the results.....

any advice would be helpful.........and much appreciated......

in solidarity

Unity66

AJ · 06-17-2001, 08:28 PM

That is NOT enough protein or calories to lose bodyfat, you will end up losing muscle and making your metabolism slow down.

I'm in a precontest diet and as a female also I'm taking in more food than that...

I'm 5'4, 145 lbs about 11% bf and taking in:
257g protein
138g carbs
17-20g fat

You need some carbs bc your muscles will need then even while dieting. As for protein that needs to be upped big time also, you could easily be going around 2g of protein per lb of weight... Just up how much cardio you're doing. Are you doing any??? Are you prepping for a show?

AJ

Unity66 · 06-17-2001, 09:00 PM

yes.........im doing cardio and i do eat carbs and fats......just not after 6pm.

if anything.......ill up the test to 750mg/wk.......but im sticking to this diet! fina a test......i should not lose LBM. my training is intense and my knowledge of nutrition is excellent.

thanx for the input.......anyone else...

Unity66

retropump · 06-17-2001, 11:03 PM

Yeah, what AJ said. All the gear in the world will not protect your muscles from silly crash diets. There is no reason to go below 10 cals per lb (and that's pretty darn low for most folks). You need to either go fully ketogenic (ie lots of fat and moderate protein), or increase your protein or carbs to get you to 2200-2500 cals. Why do you want to restrict your calories so much? Are you trying to prepare for a show with too little time? What %bf are you aiming for and how long do you have to get there?

Unity66 · 06-18-2001, 04:20 AM

im gonna up the calories and do cardio pm........after carbs. ill go low carbs 5-6days/wk and then carb-up one-two days.....

im preparing to make weight to compete at the amatuer level again......boxing that is-lol

im currently 12% by skinfold measurements....

Unity66

Beezers · 06-18-2001, 07:10 AM

That isn't enough calories to support the muscle mass in yor pinkie finger. No amount of AS will spare muscle without adequate nutrients, which 1500 calories surely isn't at your size. I suggest no lower than 2800-3000. Most people I have seen go way too low on the calories expecting it to drop fat faster. All they loose is lean body mass. Thier metabolisms stop and they loose no fat. They end up flat and very weak. Not a good situation when you relize this three weeks out from a show. For competitive purposes your planed diet is dangerous. Not neccessaraly to health, but to muscle mass...and you might need some of that come show day

You have to be patient with it. I'm sure you know that. 1500 calories will not maintain muscle mass. Like AJ said, it's not even enough for a 130 pound female.

06-17-2001, 08:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Unity66 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 724 Rep Power: 6579	sparring LBM during caloric restriction.........advice needed...... ok.......ive been on a gram of enanthate and dbol for 8wks now (tornel t-200) now ive dropped the dbol and am running a mild 500mg/wk of primoteston-d.......my question is this. my stats are 5'6 @216lbs....12% according to my skin fold measurements. my goal is to really restrict calories.......no more than 1500/day and eat roughly 200-250g protein as im a fan of zero-carb whey protien prods...... is this a dosage of anabolics sufficient to spare my LBM and preserve what ive achieved while dropping bodyfat and lowering my adidpose tissue levels? i have test, boldenone, dbol, drol, tren, sust, prop, arimidex, proviron, clomid, h.c.g, t-3, clen and nolva on hand......... i had planned to run 500mg of primotest to see how i respond to it over the t-200.......is the dosage to low? also......i plan on utilizing tren and t-3 the final 4-6wks and am awaiting the results of DPSO and my batch of the spanish oxandrolone which fonz is testing for us and we will post the results..... any advice would be helpful.........and much appreciated...... in solidarity Unity66

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06-17-2001, 08:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
AJ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 393 Rep Power: 6090	That is NOT enough protein or calories to lose bodyfat, you will end up losing muscle and making your metabolism slow down. I'm in a precontest diet and as a female also I'm taking in more food than that... I'm 5'4, 145 lbs about 11% bf and taking in: 257g protein 138g carbs 17-20g fat You need some carbs bc your muscles will need then even while dieting. As for protein that needs to be upped big time also, you could easily be going around 2g of protein per lb of weight... Just up how much cardio you're doing. Are you doing any??? Are you prepping for a show? AJ

06-17-2001, 09:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Unity66 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 724 Rep Power: 6579	yes.........im doing cardio and i do eat carbs and fats......just not after 6pm. if anything.......ill up the test to 750mg/wk.......but im sticking to this diet! fina a test......i should not lose LBM. my training is intense and my knowledge of nutrition is excellent. thanx for the input.......anyone else... Unity66

06-17-2001, 11:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
retropump Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 361 Rep Power: 6202	Yeah, what AJ said. All the gear in the world will not protect your muscles from silly crash diets. There is no reason to go below 10 cals per lb (and that's pretty darn low for most folks). You need to either go fully ketogenic (ie lots of fat and moderate protein), or increase your protein or carbs to get you to 2200-2500 cals. Why do you want to restrict your calories so much? Are you trying to prepare for a show with too little time? What %bf are you aiming for and how long do you have to get there?

06-18-2001, 04:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
Unity66 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 724 Rep Power: 6579	im gonna up the calories and do cardio pm........after carbs. ill go low carbs 5-6days/wk and then carb-up one-two days..... im preparing to make weight to compete at the amatuer level again......boxing that is-lol im currently 12% by skinfold measurements.... Unity66

06-18-2001, 07:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
Beezers Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 297 Rep Power: 5980	That isn't enough calories to support the muscle mass in yor pinkie finger. No amount of AS will spare muscle without adequate nutrients, which 1500 calories surely isn't at your size. I suggest no lower than 2800-3000. Most people I have seen go way too low on the calories expecting it to drop fat faster. All they loose is lean body mass. Thier metabolisms stop and they loose no fat. They end up flat and very weak. Not a good situation when you relize this three weeks out from a show. For competitive purposes your planed diet is dangerous. Not neccessaraly to health, but to muscle mass...and you might need some of that come show day You have to be patient with it. I'm sure you know that. 1500 calories will not maintain muscle mass. Like AJ said, it's not even enough for a 130 pound female.