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Deja_Voodoo
06-16-2001, 11:40 AM
Description:
Albumin (Human) is a sterile solution obtained from large pools of adult human plasma and is extracted by low temperature controlled fractionation. It is stabilized with several chemicals (not pertinent here) and pastuerized at 60 degrees CELSIUS for 10 hours
Actions/Clinical Pharmacology:
Albumin is active osmotically and therfore important in regulating the volume of circulating blood. When administered intravenously 50ml oc 25% albumin (its most common presentation which is equal to 12.5 grams of albumin) draws approximately 175 ml of fluid into the circulation within 15 minutes,except in the presence of severe dehydration.
Keep in mind this extra fluid reduces hemoconcentration and blood viscosity. Supplementing with some anticoagulants such as aspirin or possibly (and under an MD's care) a prescription anticoagulant if by chance it is warranted.
Unlike whole blood or plasma Albumin is considered free of the danger of hepatitis. Albumin may be given in conjunction with other parenteral fluids such as saline, glucose, or sodium lactate.
Indications And Useage (clinical)
-Shock: Used the emergency treatment of shock and other similar conditions where the restoration of blood volume is urgent. If there has been considerable loss of RBC's, transfusion with whole blood is indicated.
-Burns: Albumin in 0.9 normal saline or glucose to prevent marked hemoconcentration and to maintain proper electrolyte balance.
-Hyponatremia (low blood sodium) with or Without Edema: Indicated for a low concentration of plamsa protein (albumin) and a resulting decreased circulating blood volume. Diuresis may occour in this case soon after administation in this case (Yes us bodybuilders want this !!!)
Contraindications/Precautions for use:
Albumin is contraindicated in persons with SEVERE anemia and cardiac failure.
Do not use if solution is TURBID or cloudy. This product contains no microbial preservative. Do not administer if container has been opened/entered anymore than 4 hours prior.
Precautions
If dehydration is present additional fluids (IV) must accompany or follow the administration of albumin.
The quick response (increase) in blood pressure that is possible with the administration of this product needs to be monitored closely.
Doseage And Administration
Albumin may be given IV w/o dilution or it may be diluted with 0.99 normal saline or 5% dextrose (glucose) before administation.
When undiluted albumin is given in individuals with NORMAL blood volume the rate of infusion should be SLOW ENOUGH (1 ml/minute) to prevent too rapid of an expansion of the blood volume.
Okay, now how do YOU REALLLY USE IT?
From personal experience in helping a few people out that were doing shows here's what I have seen that works or doesn't work.
- You'll need someone to start a decent sized bore IV (I'd reccomend a 20g or 18g, but even a 22g will do) to allow the albumin to infuse in in a timely enough manner. Again at about a ml per minute. If you want to be precise or very accurate use this formula to help you calculate the number of gtts (drops)/minute.
#of ml (50) x (drip factor,tubing is either 10,15 or 60) and divide by the # of minutes (50).
50 x 10= 500, 500/50=10. So the damn thing should drip at APPROXIMATELY 10 drops per minute in this case.
- Anecdotally you are going to need 4 hours before the prejudging starts and sometimes closer to six. All depending on the person and their physiology.
I would suggest not just waiting till the first show to try this. Find a time in the last 2 weeks (the later the better, but not too close)to the show to try this out. Wake up in the AM and give the albumin and chart and tape/take pics of your condition and how it changes. Also Keep track of past H20 and food intake from the past evening.
I will be doing another post on the different volume expanders but this is by far the most effective and common one that is being used alebeit by a relatively small amount of athletes.
This is a much safer way (and more effective) than diuretics which pull fluid from the circulation FIRST-something we DONT want!

Refereces:
1996 Physician's Desk Reference
-MicroMedex

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archive_Iron God
06-17-2001, 07:00 AM
So who's gonna be the first to try this???

Good post Deja

Deja_Voodoo
06-20-2001, 10:42 PM
I've helped a few people with this and one was a female fitness competitor. She was very lean but naturally just had no vasularity AT all. She was a hard iv stick or blood draw in the doctors office or in the hospital even at a normal low BF %. This helped her appear very hard and did give her some vascularity.

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lexxxluthor
07-02-2001, 02:06 PM
I've been wanting info like this for a while. I was thinking about trying hespian or pentaspan but albumin sounds like the way to go. Oh ya, I'll try it.

archive_Iron God
07-31-2001, 01:41 PM
Bump for Columbo

archive_FitnessChick
01-02-2002, 03:21 PM
I am bumping this topic back up....so you(deja) are saying that this is better then mannitol....


Here is something that may be a silly q.----is there anything similar to these that can be done injectibly?

Pharm Animal
01-02-2002, 06:44 PM
i was looking for this!!!! thanks FC!!!

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archive_FitnessChick
01-02-2002, 06:58 PM
You & me both--I guess we have the same concepts on our minds these days!

Deja_Voodoo
01-15-2002, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FitnessChick:
I am bumping this topic back up....so you(deja) are saying that this is better then mannitol....


Here is something that may be a silly q.----is there anything similar to these that can be done injectibly?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I think Albumin is much better, but I haven't really looked into Mannitol that much other than what I have read in several publications like the PDR,ect that are rather vague and generic.
I have actual experience with Albumin whereas with Mannitol I don't. I've seen Albumin work in a matter of hours and it has made "water retainers" into people saying "what the fuck did you take-er's ??"
Manitol is an osmotic diuretic whereas Albumin is a volume expander. Mannitol is primarily used for head/brain trauma to decrease ICP (not the Insane Clown Posse either----rather Intracranial Pressure).
Mannitol (if that's all one has access to) is worth using IMO. Other volume expanders like Dextran and Hespan (6% Hetastarch) are unworkable b/c their molecular weights are HUGE, the volumes that are needed to be infused are large (250cc-500cc) and they are too long acting and too hard to time or predict.

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Deja_Voodoo
01-15-2002, 08:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FitnessChick:
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Here is something that may be a silly q.----is there anything similar to these that can be done injectibly?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> IV only!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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archive_FitnessChick
01-15-2002, 08:52 AM
UGH, IIICCKK! (I'm cringing)...I can stick myself intramuscularly, but IV, ooh, that gives me the chills...Here is the Q of the day....

How bad do I want it?

Deja_Voodoo
01-17-2002, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FitnessChick:
UGH, IIICCKK! (I'm cringing)...I can stick myself intramuscularly, but IV, ooh, that gives me the chills...Here is the Q of the day....

How bad do I want it?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Have someone do it and dont look---its not bad at all if you have good veins. It can make a world of difference if you are going to place

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archive_FitnessChick
01-17-2002, 08:22 AM
My veins are always out...nurses tell me when they draw blood that I have great veins...what a compliment!


Yeah, I will probably suck it up & do it.

eye_candy
03-06-2002, 02:45 PM
50cc seems to be a lot of fluid to add into your blood stream. Can you watch your body change so to speak and stop 1/2 way? IS watching your blood pressure the only way to keep track of if your getting too much volume.

How dangerous is using something like adactone the last week along w/ plasma expanders?

Do you need to do anything different with water managment and carb up process?

Deja_Voodoo
03-14-2002, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eye_candy:
50cc seems to be a lot of fluid to add into your blood stream. Can you watch your body change so to speak and stop 1/2 way? IS watching your blood pressure the only way to keep track of if your getting too much volume.

How dangerous is using something like adactone the last week along w/ plasma expanders?

Do you need to do anything different with water managment and carb up process?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 50cc is nothing really. Approximately 175 cc or so get pulled in the first 15 minutes or so. I woudlnt stop half way-there's no reason too. You can check your BP but you are typically going to be running low (blood pressure wise) anyways so an increase in BP is acceptable.
If for some reason that your BP would be high and STAY there (as in after the show) you can take a diuretic like Lasix or Bumex. Just take a dose and wait to start peeing it out.
Just to give some background about myself and my experience. Im an RN and have given albumin dozens of times to patients that have several things going AGAINST them that you don't, such as:

- being morbidly obese with underlying health problems
- being given up to 10 liters of IV fluids in less than a day after major abdominal surgery.
- having many times retained almost ALL of the fluid.
If they are in CHF/pulmonary edema you'll be able to tell b/c they'll be short of breath, their lungs will sound "wet" (crackles),ect.
I've never had more than one or two patients develop CHF and those were ones who were high risk surgical candidates in the first place.
Trust me when I say-- FUGGETABOUTIT! Seriously you'll be ok-just dont start taking diuretics on top of it trying to get "drier".

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lexxxluthor
03-22-2002, 11:54 PM
How would one aquire such a product?!

Deja_Voodoo
03-31-2002, 04:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lexxxluthor:
How would one aquire such a product?!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I know of one oveseas guy who can get get it if someone asks for it but your best bet is to find a pharmacist or someone who access to it and *borrow* it. heheheh
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Deja_Voodoo
04-07-2002, 09:50 PM
I cut and pasted this on elite over 24 hours ago and it got 26 views and NO responses. That board has gone seriously downhill.

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