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I have posted this before but here is a refined version.
Anything I should change? DIET -No carb diet (keto) for saturday monday, tuesday, wednesday and Thursday morning -Carb up from thursday noon until the show saturday noon (48hrs) -Sodium will be under 1000mg on Friday and Saturday -Potassium will be 2000mg (divided dosages) for Friday and Saturday -I will drink lots of water (8 liters per day) and then 24hrs before the show I will stop it all besides a couple sips to keep my mouth wet. TRAINING -Last heavy training on Monday before the show (Back & Chest) -Depletion workout (upper body only) on Thursday morning just before starting the carbup (6 sets of 15 reps per muscle) -Cardio I will stop only on Tuesday since I am a little late. I would have preferred stopping 10 days before contest. -Keep posing all the way to contest day (At least 30 min per day for the last 2 weeks) DRUGS -Winny 50mg ed -Fina 50mg ed -Anadrol 50mg ed -Clomid 25mg ed, Nolva 20mg ed, Proviron 50mg ed -Lasix on Friday and Saturday either 20mg or 40mg per day depends on how I look and feel CUTTING AGENTS -Stop all stimulants about a week out as they can interfere with the carbup -Before that I will be using Clen @ 120mcg per day for 2 weeks with 75mg ephedrine and 600mg caffeine and 15mg Yohimbine -T3 will be used for the last 6 weeks (tapering up from 25mcg to 75mcg) GROOMING -Stop tanning about 3-4 days out -Shave all body hair on Tuesday and Wednesday -Use Prep-H before tanning the last week or so to get rid of sub-q water in quads and lower back -First Coat instant competition color on Thursday evening, second on Friday morning and last coat on Friday evening. BEFORE PREJUDGING -Bedtime on Friday have a drink consisting of 12 ounces of grape juice, 4 ounces of red wine, 50ml glycerol, 10g creatine. -Have the same drink just prior to the pump up BETWEEN PREJUDGING AND EVENING SHOW -Eat low sodium -Sip on some bottled water as needed -Eat plain chicken breasts and plain baked potatoes in moderation If it's not hard it's not worth doing...
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"I will drink lots of water (8 liters per day) and then 24hrs before the show I will stop it all besides a couple sips to keep my mouth wet."
i wouldn't drink too much water during your carbup, although at the same time i would drink moderate amounts. not drinking enough will inhibit proper carbing up, and drinking too much will make it tough for your body to get rid of all the excess water in 24 hours. i would go with 1 gallon a day from the day you start carbing till 24 hours out....then use maybe 1-2 oz with every meal 24 hours out. then at 9PM on the night before, stop water altogether "-Potassium will be 2000mg (divided dosages) for Friday and Saturday" don't. the excess potassium will make it difficult to lose the rest of the sodium and will actually encourage cramping. the body has to lose equal amounts of sodium AND potassium, contrary to what has been taught to many of us. an inbalance between these two electrolytes will cause more last-minute problems. the sweet potatoes have enough potassium for your needs. "-Sodium will be under 1000mg on Friday and Saturday" way under 1000 mg!....try to minimize it to as close to zero from wednesday morning till after the show, and keep that H2O running through your system during the carb depletion to encourage as much electrolyte depletion as possible. "Keep posing all the way to contest day" good to go, but do not flex and pose very hard starting 1 week out, cause you don't want the posing sessions to interfere with carbup or recovery directly before the show. just do the poses correctly and perfect your routine and mandatories down to a T. "Clomid 25mg ed" starting after the contest day, right? don't take it before your show! "Stop all stimulants about a week out as they can interfere with the carbup" you're gonna have a hell of a week....i wouldn't cut these out completely, unless you like falling asleep everyfuckingwhere. LOL "GROOMING" looks like a solid plan. "Bedtime on Friday have a drink consisting of 12 ounces of grape juice, 4 ounces of red wine, 50ml glycerol, 10g creatine." wow....that would fuck the shit outta my stomach....personally i wouldn't. i know for a fact that the water content in the juice and wine alone would kill my condition. if you have any doubts about whether or not you should still do this, i would recommend not to. seems more like hocus-pocus to me....could you explain the reasoning behind this concoction? "BETWEEN PREJUDGING AND EVENING SHOW" you don't really need to be this strict....go for a big steak or something....remember that the prejudging will take a LOT of nutrients out of your already depleted system, so your body may need something substantial at this time. good idea not drinking too much water, although i would have a good healthy glass of it directly after coming off stage in the AM. here's what i ate after the PJ last year: 25-30 oz H2O 4 pure protein bars 1 lb of steak banana split from 2 bananas and 1 pint of Dryers Dreamery Fatburger and fries more water and other stuff (stopped counting after 4 PM LOL!) MAKE US PROUD! you too, gopro! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] take care, PA
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Thanks PA this is exactly what I was looking for!
I will do what you said for the water. I understand each gram of carbs can hold 3 grams of water in the muscle. So I will drink about 1.5-2grams of water per gram of carb that way my body will have to go get some water under the skin. The 2000mg of Potassium is sugested for patients using 40mg of Lasix per day. I guess I will cut it down to 1000mg wich is a pretty low dose. I will cut the sodium starting Friday morning only because sodium is necessary in providing a proper carb up and if after 48 hours your body starts producing aldesterone and you hold sodium. I will drop the clomid for the last week and resume it after the contest. That juice/wine concotion was made up by Mr.Nobody [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] You are right I don't think I will have it. I may have the 4oz of Red Wine just before pumping up though because it makes hot and vascular. Last year I remember being all cold during the pump up. I will eat a little more between the prejuding and night show. Depending on what I look like. I will still limit water and sodium intake though. If it's not hard it's not worth doing...
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"I will drop the clomid for the last week and resume it after the contest."
drop it now....you have no need for it, and it MAY make you retain water. plus, you need time to get the clomid outta your system...i think i read somewhere it has a pretty long half-life, but you may want to double-check in the EF archives, etc. replace what you drop in clomid with nolvadex, if it makes you feel safer. trust me, i know how hard it is to drop certain drugs as you get closer! "I may have the 4oz of Red Wine just before pumping up though because it makes hot and vascular. Last year I remember being all cold during the pump up." sounds very reasonable....definately don't go up there cold....it feels weird, trust me....it's kinda like thinking "WTF am i doing onstage? i have no muscle!" it's not a fun feeling. "I will eat a little more between the prejuding and night show. Depending on what I look like. I will still limit water and sodium intake though." solid plan!!! just use your head, keep friends with a good BBing eye around you, and play it by ear. take care, PA
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This is going to sound a bit crazy, but have you ever
seen anybody take 4ml's of GHB-K(potassium based GHB) before a pre-judging? This guy I know swears he gets more vascularity/better muscular control(for poses) when he takes the GHB instead of the wine. Any comments anyone? Godspeed
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Hey Drexx.So here it comes...kick ass time.All your hard work is about to come to fruition.I am a big believer in not doing anything to crazy or out of the ordinary the last week because you just don't know how your body will react.I agree with many of the comments our good friend pharm said,but nobody knows your body better than YOU.Obviously there are some basic "rules" to follow the week b4 a show involving water,sodium,posing,tanning,etc.,however,if you prepared correctly(and I'm sure you have),you will be ready several days b4.Hocus pocus stuff(as pharm so eloquently put it) usually does more harm than good.But whatever you do...have faith in yourself and your plan!"Doubts just make you hold water!"Just remember,you are not alone..I'm right there with you as my show is June 2.Lets give them HELL! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Fonz the Ghb sounds good but if one is not acustom to it---He may be flat out on the floor and miss his whole show----Fonz what do you think about dropping a role(XTC)between prejudging and the finals----I have talked to a few people who have done this and they felt unreal on stage----
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I'm not familiar with XCT-use because I don't use it, but
I'm guessing you get similiar a psycho-active response as you get from GHB. I've tried it and I swear I can literally feel my muscles contract soooooo much that I think they're going to explode. Plus, I can hold poses for a VERY LONG time, while w/o GHB I can't. It just makes it easier to hold on to uncomfortable poses. I wonder what PA has to say....... (And no I'm not crazy guys...LOL just scientifically- oriented....hehe) Godspeed
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"4ml's of GHB-K(potassium based
GHB) before a pre-judging?" -Fonz damn....i've never thought about it....i would suppose some individuals would react well to it, and others would not. it seems to me that it would be an individual thing...you yourself feel good to pose on GHB, on the contrary, i do not get that reaction. I have been on GHB with other BBers at the same time, and some want to have a posedown with me, others could care less....i always opt to decline the posedown while G'ed....LOL "I agree with many of the comments our good friend pharm said,but nobody knows your body better than YOU." -gopro i agree 100% on the individual knowing their body the best. if you KNOW one of my suggestions do not work for you, do not hesitate to drop that idea from your repitoire. never blindly follow the herd. "what do you think about dropping a role(XTC)between prejudging and the finals" -Mt. Size personally, i would wait till after the show to do the XTC....besides, it's just a feeling, and you (well, at least i) do NOT want to miss a damned thing about any part of the contest. i want to be fully aware of everything that is going on during a competition. i love having control while up on stage. to be able to control the oppostion, you must first be able to control yourself. or am i missing something? does X have any advantages to onstage performance at all? "(And no I'm not crazy guys...LOL just scientifically- oriented....hehe)" -Fonz could you go into detail with your biochemical theories on GHB and how it relates to onstage performance? thanks in advance. take care, PA
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Hey PA,
You are right about the clomid. I had forgotten. Half-life is around 5 days and duration is like 9 days. I stoped it right away. And guys I wont be using GHB, XTC or Crack Cocaine for my show [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] If it's not hard it's not worth doing...
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"I wont be using GHB, XTC or Crack Cocaine for my show" -DREXX
LOL! okay then if you won't do that stuff for the show, come to my place after the show....i'll let you share mine....hahahaha! take care, PA
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I am just starting to post over here so maybe you can take what i say with a grain of salt but anyway here i go. By the way my picture is posted
on Conan's site on page 4 about 1 week out. That was last year. I am doing the NPC golds souteastern in Gadsden Alabama June 21. I am doing some different things for this show, hopefully foing in about 10 lbs. heavier.I never worried to much about K and Na intake before show just didn't use any because It is in about everything anyway. I wouldn't use Clomid. Nolvadex is good because it helps hardness and water retention. Too much cardio will get you legs stringy. That may be the hardest thing is keeping leg size. Anyway good luck. I will start coming here more often as it is what i do.
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compliments of yours truly...from the forgotten files of AF [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
"Creating anabolic excellence for 2002"
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Wow...that brings back memories.... I competed in the same show as Drexx.
I think Drexx has his prep pretty much dead on although I wouldn't want to experiment or try any voodoo at the last minute and risk losing all of the hard work that i did to get there ( i'm referring to the cocktail of creatine , wine, grape juice , etc. ). I can see red wine but no clomid till after the show. As for myself during that show i had an ounce or two of red wine but it made me gag so i didn't really have very much , i didn't take any clomid but at the same time i had no test in me either. I did take proviron though.
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Drexx have you ever used aldactone?
FC started aldactone on monday (small amounts) and drank 2-3 gallon of water per day. And lost 10 lbs of water weight in the last week. I've seen previous pics and you looked dry. Why mess with something like lasix if you don't have to. I think she took a 1/2 demedex on midnight on Friday. Then cut all back her water to 10oz with every carb meal. |
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he's not. this post is from last year [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
PA "Creating anabolic excellence for 2002"
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sean Summers:
Duh..oh silly me....(repeat several times while drooling). SS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey Sean , how is it going? What is new with you? How is training and diet? Doing anything new or different from last year?
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