What is the proper name for......

[canecorso]

working your back.....bent over not all the way, using a barbell and pulling it close to your body....thats the best way to describe it, lol
Squeezing your back....I hope someone on here knows what the hell I am talking about.....I can't think of the name dammmmit............HELP

[Hidngod]

What is.... Barbell Rows?
I'll take Bikini for $200, Alex

[canecorso]

Is that what it's called????
I am a dumbass, lol
Thanks

[Hidngod]

Brain farts. They become more frequent due to the estrogen mimicing effects of chemicals in your hair conditioner.

[dirty~d~]

Pendlays or BB rows :dunno:

[Aesirian]

working your back.....bent over not all the way, using a barbell and pulling it close to your body....thats the best way to describe it, lol
Squeezing your back....I hope someone on here knows what the hell I am talking about.....I can't think of the name dammmmit............HELP

You are describing a barbell row. A Pendlay row is done, back parallel to the floor and straight like a park bench. You start with the weight on the floor bringing it to your midsection then back to the floor, one rep @ a time. This is a very strict movement. If your position is correct, your glutes/hams will get real fired up but your lower back should not be under stress.

[Blut Wump]

I'm not sure what you mean by "strict movement", Aesirian. The Pendlay row is meant to be an accelerating movement. It is strict in that your back is meant to remain roughly parallel to the floor but if you're using some serious weight there's going to be some movement as you yank the bar into yourself. Pendlay was an Oly lifter and is an Oly coach. You don't see them doing movements which a BBer would call "strict". The only aspect to avoid is that it doesn't turn into a Yates row as your strength breaks down.

I've not felt it in my hams and glutes. It's a lats exercise.

Here's an old thread on Pendlay rows.
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?1000

Here's some good info on the Pendlay row, linked to from that older thread:
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-perform-the-pendlay-row-with-correct-technique/



Yates row: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fG67yKNMBU

Pendlay row: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFDUA5S0B7M

[Aesirian]

I'm not sure what you mean by "strict movement", Aesirian. The Pendlay row is meant to be an accelerating movement. It is strict in that your back is meant to remain roughly parallel to the floor but if you're using some serious weight there's going to be some movement as you yank the bar into yourself. Pendlay was an Oly lifter and is an Oly coach. You don't see them doing movements which a BBer would call "strict". The only aspect to avoid is that it doesn't turn into a Yates row as your strength breaks down.

I've not felt it in my hams and glutes. It's a lats exercise.



Here's an old thread on Pendlay rows.
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?1000

Yates row: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fG67yKNMBU

Pendlay row: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFDUA5S0B7M



I don't need a lesson on this! By strict, I mean form, period...I know its a lat exercise and a power movement. I have the back to prove it. If you don't feel it in your ham/glutes, thats you, if you even do them on a regular basis! The point is, you shouldn't feel them in your lower back! Get over yourself...

This needed a simple explanation, not a school yard game of one-upmanship...

[Blut Wump]

I don't need a lesson on this! By strict, I mean form, period...I know its a lat exercise and a power movement. I have the back to prove it. If you don't feel it in your ham/glutes, thats you, if you even do them on a regular basis! The point is, you shouldn't feel them in your lower back! Get over yourself...

This needed a simple explanation, not a school yard game of one-upmanship...Please don't be so obnoxious, Aesirian.

Your back, no matter how proud of it you might be, proves nothing about your knowledge of the Pendlay row. If they stress your hams and glutes then your setup is likely out and in need of attention.

[Lumberjack5.0]

x2 on BW's points. There is meant to be an element of acceleration in the performance of a Pendlay row, as explained by the movement's namesake; it's one delineator of a Pendlay row versus a standard row.

I noticed a fairly dramatic new degree of lat intensiveness when pulling as such -- it's one of those things where you have to drop the normal weights you might have used, but they quickly return and surpass their prior peaks My .02.

[Hidngod]

Would it be beneficial to alternate Pendlays and regular rows in a workout cycle? Say, one week do Pendlays, regular the next? Or even Pendlays one day, then regular 2 or 3 days later?

[Lumberjack5.0]

My personal view is that Pendlays are superior to the point that "normal" rows would not have much benefit as a substitute. The supposed benefit to doing something like a Yates row could be better addressed with, say, power shrugs, clean pulls, etc. Keeping the torso near parallel is important in activating the lats; the muscles to which the focus shifts when the torso is higher can be better targeted with exercises like the ones I listed, IMHO.

That's not to say there's never a time to do something different if you're sick of Pendlays and just wanna switch things up for mental purposes :D Also, when I'm fried overall but I need to get lat work in I like DB rows and even cable rows. I view Pendlays as a "big" lift in that if my focus for a particular training cycle is on other lifts I may need to break from Pendlays entirely or intentionally throttle down the effort I put into them.

[Test-Daddy]

OK So I have been weight training for half my adult life and have been doing Pendlays thinking they were BB rows!

I assume one can handle more weight with BB rows? I've always been ashamed of my rows...... 315x5 best set.

[dubdubs]

What is.... Barbell Rows?
I'll take Bikini for $200, Alex

hehe - I can row row row my boat more with dbs than a barbell grrrrrrr! :(

[sassy69]

I can 1-arm DB row more & better than I can do a BB or pendlay row. Go figure.

[Lumberjack5.0]

OK So I have been weight training for half my adult life and have been doing Pendlays thinking they were BB rows!



Forgive the bad pun but...."Rows" by any other name would smell as sweet :blush:

[Aesirian]

I switch Pendlays for hvy DB rows. I think thats the better match, being that hvy DB rows require some acceleration but with strict form and control.

[A L]

I do myDB rows like Krok, so I thik the Pendlay row is a smigde safer when using max weights.

[roadwarrior]

I've always just called them BB rows like TD but I was doing what you folks called Yates Rows. I did Pendlays last night up to 315x5... they were good hard work. I LOVED them!

[G-REX]

I always did the Yates Row with an underhand grip and a slightly more upright position, thats what made it different than a barbell row.

The barbell row isn't quite so strict as the Pendlay, and you don't actually let the weight go all the way to the floor, thus keeping tension on the muscle. The body positioning is a little more upright than the Pendlay but not so much as the BB.

The Pendlay looks to me like a very strict row that overloads the initial pull into the midsection, looks like it would be a great movement for Oly lifters and Powerlfiters. Never tried rowing that way, gonna give it a shot.

[booey]

I prefer BB rows - feels better and I use more weight. Followed by DB rows if I'm on a BBer training split.

[G-REX]

I finally tried the Pendlay Rows the other day. Feels a lot like an Oly movement. I looked at several vids before doing them and started out light. Worked up to 245 x 10. I think that the reps need to be dropped, it seems like the type of movement that would be more beneficial at lower reps, more sets. Not to mention, it feels like an exercise that you could potentially damage yourself if you get fatigued and can't maintain proper positioning. I like them though, kind of a power movement for the lats, cool. One thing I thought was cool that after doing these, I felt like I could develop more starting power for doing pull down type exercises. Anyone else have that feeling?

I'm kind of curious now, did Pendlay come up with this for use with Oly lifters?

[Blut Wump]

Yes, it's an Oly assistance exercise. Glenn Pendlay was an Oly lifter and is an Oly coach. His evangelising of it is another one of Madcow's gifts to the lifting community.

[Lumberjack5.0]

I almost never go over five reps for them, which is typically my approach for most big lifts, but esp lifts with an explosive element like push-presses and to a lesser extent Pendlays, since my lumbar area generally wants to quit before the focus areas of the movement when the reps get above the "power" range. I generally do sets across as opposed to working to a rep max for Pendlays, though I don't really have a rationale for that. I suppose it's that I've used them as an important general lift but not one for which I'm trying to obtain a specific poundage, as opposed to squats or bench whose target numbers are constantly in my mind's eye.

G-rex, I like "power movement for lats". That is a great way to phrase it :)

[Aesirian]

I finally tried the Pendlay Rows the other day. Feels a lot like an Oly movement. I looked at several vids before doing them and started out light. Worked up to 245 x 10. I think that the reps need to be dropped, it seems like the type of movement that would be more beneficial at lower reps, more sets. Not to mention, it feels like an exercise that you could potentially damage yourself if you get fatigued and can't maintain proper positioning. I like them though, kind of a power movement for the lats, cool. One thing I thought was cool that after doing these, I felt like I could develop more starting power for doing pull down type exercises. Anyone else have that feeling?

I'm kind of curious now, did Pendlay come up with this for use with Oly lifters?


I like to follow Pendlays with W. Grip Pulldowns, or even better, Chins. The power transfers well for me! I also keep these in the 3-5 rep range with more sets.