Tore Tendon in my shoulder.

[East Coast Lifter]

Tore a large tendon in my shoulder, basically could be called part of the rotator cuff,

Having it operated on November 6, 2008

He is going to try and reattach the tendon to the muscle. First through arthroscopy and if that does not work will simply open it up. Already feels better knowing what the heck is wrong.

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[drsketch]

Damn, I wish you a speedy recovery. Good luck.

[East Coast Lifter]

Thanks, he also told me after surgery, I can not do lateral or forward flyes,

I don’t know what to think of that advice??
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[drsketch]

Thanks, he also told me after surgery, I can not do lateral or forward flyes,

I don’t know what to think of that advice??
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ever? ask him if you can start light after certain amount of time

[sassy69]

Does your doc have a rehab regimen laid out for you? I don't know about the "never do these again", but I've got a similar issue, though it sounds like less dramatic - I've got a partial tear. When discussing "how bad" it is, they were more concerned about the gener accumulation of scar tissue I have than the actual tear because nothing is actually torn off or hanging. The recommendation I got from the head of the Stanford Sports Medicine dept was to do PT and come back in 6 weeks. Its been about that now & I need to go back for an evaluation. I also reviewed my MRI w/ the ortho surgeon at Stanford & she said there was nothing hanging so not really a reason for surgery. But I'll see what the situation is ina week or so.

To accommodate the PT, I've back off from practically all heavy lifting (only SLDLs to < 185) and been workign on "agility" training - more focused on core / functional strength and full body work w/ resistance bands with the purpose of bulding up the secondary movers. This is generally the issue w/ anyone who has a long history of standard 'per muscle group" BB-type lifting that doesn't exercise the secondary movers - its all the primary movers overpowering the secondary. You literally have to retrain your brain to use those muscle paths to exercise them again and not always use the primary.

[East Coast Lifter]

He is a pretty sharp guy, for a surgeon, but doesn’t know anything about lifting,

We spoke about PT, post op I will go once or twice and see what seems to make sense, then just do it at the gym, not driving all the way over to his office everyday for PT, but I will do everything he tells me.

I just hope when he gets in there, he does not find anything else, the MRI seems comprehensive – but who knows, I don’t,

Just know everything hurts, he explained because of my injury I am compromising movements and stretching my neck, collar bone area biceps area and causing pain.
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[G21]

ECL-

Good luck with surgery, let us know what the Dr. finds in their and says postOp. Im having surgery Dec. 23 to fix my shoulder. Are you going to take anything postop to facilitate better healing?

[sassy69]

Just know everything hurts, he explained because of my injury I am compromising movements and stretching my neck, collar bone area biceps area and causing pain.
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Exactly - the rest of your shoulder area & all the connecting parts are making up ways to cover the part that doesn't work like it used to. That's what I'm talking about w/ the rehab - its not just being able to lift but also re-establishing the neural pathways to use the right muscles the right way. If you don't do this, they end up doing work they really weren't designed for - this just propagates the imbalances.

[East Coast Lifter]

Exactly - the rest of your shoulder area & all the connecting parts are making up ways to cover the part that doesn't work like it used to. That's what I'm talking about w/ the rehab - its not just being able to lift but also re-establishing the neural pathways to use the right muscles the right way. If you don't do this, they end up doing work they really weren't designed for - this just propagates the imbalances.

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That sums it up, I will follow his advice,

He is in a big practice and only does shoulders,

I have seen him before, and had surgery before, and did not listen to him, ending up tearing more tendons in the other arm. So will follow his advice,

It is strange my neck and biceps hurt so much

[QUOTE][Good luck with surgery, let us know what the Dr. finds in their and says postOp. Im having surgery Dec. 23 to fix my shoulder. Are you going to take anything postop to facilitate better healing?/QUOTE]

Post op I was simply thinking of maintaining my HRT,

250mg Test E per week,

I will let my body and surgeon kind of dictate what I can and can’t do, He knows how much I lift, and want to lift, and that I take it very seriously.

I have lost so much weight, so much muscle, just look like a skinny kid again, hate this, but hate the stupid pain too.

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[East Coast Lifter]

Exactly - the rest of your shoulder area & all the connecting parts are making up ways to cover the part that doesn't work like it used to. That's what I'm talking about w/ the rehab - its not just being able to lift but also re-establishing the neural pathways to use the right muscles the right way. If you don't do this, they end up doing work they really weren't designed for - this just propagates the imbalances.
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That sums it up, I will simply follow his advice and my body will tell me how I am recuperating.

[Killer]

Hey East Coast,

Good luck and let us know how it goes. Chances are you are talking about the supraspinatus. That is the rotator that most often tears. The hardest think post op to get back will be external rotation. It will take some time and be painful, but it will come.

Your biceps and neck hurts cuz you have some stuff going on and your body is telling you not to be stupid and use your shoulder. Also could be substitution. What people will is use the trap to start shoulder movement when the supras is ruptured. So the trap is overworked which makes the neck hurt and the same time the body is trying to lock down the trap so you do not use the shoulder.

[East Coast Lifter]

Your biceps and neck hurts cuz you have some stuff going on and your body is telling you not to be stupid and use your shoulder. Also could be substitution. What people will is use the trap to start shoulder movement when the supras is ruptured. So the trap is overworked which makes the neck hurt and the same time the body is trying to lock down the trap so you do not use the shoulder.

Totally agree, can't even sleep on that side, hope what ever it is he finds it and fixes it. Driving me nuts to go to the gym and do cardio,

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[sassy69]

Sounds like you're in a lot of pain. Damn that sucks. I've been very lucky w/ my shoulder situation. But based on comments from Killer and other sports people I know, I sorta got the idea that if you F your shoulder, you don't NOT get surgery. I've been doing PT / rehab for > 7 weeks now. I'm definiteily stronger again, but I haven't lifted ANYTHING heavier than a resistance band during that whole time. I notice that when I'm replacing 25 lb plates from leg day that I still manage to jack it. So... I went for a 2nd opinion w/ a guy who apparently does a lot of the shoulder work for the 49'ers. He said said there's so much minor structural damage (pinhole tear in a tendon, frayed tendon, small bone spur, bursitis, etc) that the it is all contributing to the pain and if I don't address it all, the whole thing will never really get to "heal". So I scheduled surgery for 11/25. Wohoo! New shoulder in 3 months!

But like you noted above - the doc said the surgery isn't such a big deal, but the rehab starting immediately after is what will determine how good the recovery is.

[TrenAman]

dude, the best advice I can give you is to rehab the living crap out of it..

[ashley2212]

Sorry to hear about your shoulder..... but what's with all the bunnies? LOL

[Halfway]

How did you tear it? Hope the surgery went ok for you and that you're planning on running a fuckton of gh while you rehab.

Pics of bunny?

[East Coast Lifter]

How did you tear it?
Incline bench press,


what's with all the bunnies:bunny::bunny:



What bunnies do you mean?




He did the shoulder last Friday, started with a scope and then opened up the shoulder.

Reattached the torn muscle and the torn tendon, the tendon had protruded up in to my neck area, grabbed it and stretched both back to the bone in arm (humerus) Used staples and suture to reattach them both.

It really hurts like heck will see him again this Friday.

[dirty~d~]

Sounds like everything went ok... ??

[any1uno]

Good luck and recover soon. Follow the PT's advice to the letter. Remember..do not rush this...set your ego a side and do what you have to do. It will be better for you in a long run.

[East Coast Lifter]

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Saw the surgeon, got pictures, it looked a lot worst than I thought, the biceps tendon in that shoulder was torn about 10 years ago, never had it repaired, resembles a string or a shoe string.

Anyway, no lifting, indefinitely, will be doing physical therapy as soon as Monday,

But sounds like cardio through the holidays,

Time to stock up on the basics,

Tren ACE
Deca
Test E
D-bol
Winny
Primo.

[richd328]

Hang in there, it takes time. Mine was a year ago and I'm back to full strength. Have you considered HGH at a low dose for repair?

[East Coast Lifter]

Have you considered HGH at a low dose for repair?

No, I may though, I have never thought much of growth and have used it a lot, but now may be the best ever to consider and use it, Not going to be lifting for a while but the growth may have some benefits.

Thank you for you posts everyone, will be calling my buddy tomorrow and see how well he is stocked with growth, I have not used the stuff in over 3 years.

Thanks again
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I am far from a computer genius but have a cd of the surgery, may try and post those shots,

1) The tear in the Rotar cuff muscle,
2) The tendon he stretched over
3) And the remaining biceps tendon

[East Coast Lifter]

The first image is a hole that should be my muscle in the rotaor cuff

the second image is my biceps tendon, what is left of it

and the final shot is the muscle before he stretched it over to the humeros bone.

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[G21]

ECL-

Looks to me like you had quite a bit of damage, good luck in your recovery. As for GH, i havent done my first cycle yet, that being said im having shoulder surgery Dec. 23rd, and with any sort of luck will be running 5iu EOD of GH for 4months PostOp. I dont think it'll do anything but benefit you, then again im the guy who hasnt cycled yet...lol:roflmao:

[richd328]

I only wish I had started right after the surgery, I waited a few months.

[East Coast Lifter]

It just figures, my guy does not have any, and I am going to Minneapolis for a Trauma show this week. Be a million lonely nurses there so need other supplementation, like Calais

He said he could have it by the weekend when I get back,

Staying on my test e

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[G21]

ECL-

Hows everything going Post-Op?

[East Coast Lifter]

Now it is 6 weeks post op, went to physical therapy once, and doing PT at the gym, each week it feels better, but still sore, and can’t lift. Be interesting to see when I can start lifting again,


Thanks
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[nzrodney]

Now it is 6 weeks post op, went to physical therapy once, and doing PT at the gym, each week it feels better, but still sore, and can’t lift. Be interesting to see when I can start lifting again,


Thanks
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Good luck with that Bro. I can sympathise tore my subscap tendon nearly off the bone & displaced bicep tendon 14 months ago. Orth Surgeon wants to repair but the time factor being out of training for 6 months does not sit too well with my BBing lifestyle & I was going to compete in Oct this year. Just working around it & have made some good growth although under difficult conditions at times. Cant do anything above my head but pretty good everything elso although weights well down. Please let us know how your rehab is going as I guess I might need to get things sorted one day. In the meantime thank god for Deca :)