Smoking Weed

[The Rock]

I'm considering starting to smoke trees again recreationally. I feel like I need to relax more, and I think smoking is the way that I can do it. In my infinite ignorance of THC and its effects on the body, I am a little concerned. You see, I am worried that if I smoke again, I will "lose brain cells" as most people say that it does. Therefore I will become slower at work and when I return as a full-time student in a few years, I will be unable to get A's. Can someone set the record straight for me? Is the killing of brain cells idea an exaggeration, or will the cost of smoking weed (laziness, dumbing down) outweigh its benefits (relaxation)?

[archive_Ulter]

This one is for Bjaarki.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[Monster]

Id be interested in some REAL statistics myself... I have a feeling that weed has been a victim of the same smear campaign that most drugs that either arent FDA approved or are being used for off-label uses.

The thing that really bugs me is the whole "gateway drug" bullshit.
Most people drink before they smoke weed, so by :their" logic, alcohol is as much of a gateway drug as weed...

(Im not really much of a "party drug" type, Im sort of way out there as it is but I get pretty worked up over misinformation...)

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[archive_Mickey]

Just out of curiosity, are you going to be traveling with Ricky Williams to Asia?

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[therealj]

need to relax...so turn to drugs....sounds like a great plan

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[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by therealj:
need to relax...so turn to drugs....sounds like a great plan
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If that doesnt work, drinking to forget why you need to relax is always an alternative!
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http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/ws/,s,702093973/office.jpg "I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume."

"Trying is the first step towards failure."
http://www.bodo.com/simpsons/zhomerb.gif "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>need to relax...so turn to drugs....sounds like a great plan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We could also say...
"need to gain muscle...turn to drugs" or...
"need to fight estrogen...turn to drugs" or...
"can't sleep...turn to drugs"

Not being an ass, just the devil's advocate.

Personally, I love weed...great stuff. But that doesn't make it a good idea in all cases. As far as brain cell's go, I've heard that it kills just the same amount as alcohol would. But I'm not positive on this one. Also you don't hear about too many smoking and driving accidents. But the shit is demotivational as hell. So if you want to be a stoner then your not gonna be very productive. But for some fun on the weekend or a nice way to wind down in the evening...I don't see anything wrong with it. I personally think it is less destructive than alcohol...it's just been vilianized just as all things are by the media and whatnot. But everyone is different and if your the type of person who gets addicted to everything then you need to stay away from weed, alcohol or any other type of drug. Even AS.

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"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[PQ]

Pffttt....just choose your poison...Stolies, Tequila, straight up Jack, the almighty Ganga...too much of ANYTHING is detrimental in some way or another...and a dose of the wacky tobbacky isn't going to kill anymore brain cells than alcohol would. I was a weed worshipping fool in college. Other than a permanently warped sense of humor, I can't say I suffered for it. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But if you moderate, you can enjoy yourself, relax and be done with it...a few hits now and again does not a stoner make. Now if you can't buy AS because your funds have all been dumped into your other "recreational activities" then you've got a problem! http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pharm Queen:
...I was a weed worshipping fool in college. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I thought you said you tried it once! http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I've gotten hooked up with a bad girl? http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/elephant.gif http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've gotten hooked up with a bad girl? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A pessimist thinks all women are bad, an optimist hopes they are. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[PQ]

I'm no worse than you are! We've all had our wild child days...and they were great! I wouldn't give up those years, memories and lessons for anything...and just so there's no confusion, it was once with a bong, the rest were just splifs.

But I didn't inhale! http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I've gone to many an anatomy lab with eye drops in one hand and honeybuns/chips to curb the munchies in the other...I aced anatomy too. SO THERE...weed and brain cells get along just fine! http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/lol2[1].gif

[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caligula:


We could also say...
"need to gain muscle...turn to drugs" or...
"need to fight estrogen...turn to drugs" or...
"can't sleep...turn to drugs"

Not being an ass, just the devil's advocate.

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I dont agree. Youre saying then that steroids build muscle with no effort from the user? Because to me there is a difference in taking a drug that will require you to contribute to what is going on (i.e. AAS) to elicit the effect, and a drug that is just used as a means of "escape".
Anti-e's are a responsible addition to AAS. I dont see any parallel at all between the two...

Im not against weed, but lets call a recreational drug a recreational drug. Dont lump it in with AAS, and hopefully we dont have any die-hard Deadheads here who want to go on about the theraputic side of "tripping". http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Im not against it, I doubt its as bad as the media likes to portray it, and Im sure its much safer than alcohol. But J's point is still very valid. There is a marked difference bewteen taking AAS because you want to build some muscle and smoking weed to help cope with your problems.
Maybe J took what was being said too literally? But nonetheless it does sound dangerously close to someone who is looking for a way to "forget their troubles..."

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[archive_Caligula]

Well...I re-read what the initial poster said and I agree and disagree. The hard part is determining the gravity of the situation just based on his initial post. If he had said, "hey...I like to wind down in the evenings by having a hit and reading a good book, is this going to ruin all my bodybuilding goals?" then I would have to say..definately not, fire it up.

But if he had said..."ever since the death of my wife, life has been more and more uncomfortable to bear. I can't sleep. Would weed help?" I would say...get some help.

But all he said was that he needs it as a way to relax...so we don't know what underlying factors are contributing to his need for weed for relaxation. So I don't feel as if anyone can condone it without knowing more.

But I also feel as if J is being too harsh by saying, "oh great...turn to drugs".

Your right...weed doesn't even come close to fitting in the same category as AS. I was just using it as a topic that we are familiar with and how most people would react if we said we are using AS. And that's kinda the point I was trying to make I guess. J's comment was just as informed as if someone else said what I had said about using AS to gain muscle. You need to know the person and what exactly it is they are using, and how and why, and yadda yadda yadda.

I just feel as if this guy has a right to explain himself further (which he should have) before anyone makes any snap judgements about what his motives are and if they are unjustified. Unless we know more about this guy and why he is needing to relax...then we can't just say, "oh yeah, turn to drugs".

Now if he said he wanted to turn to heroin...that would be a different story. Cause we all know that heroin just flat out rocks and goes great with Meth. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (that was a joke folks http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

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"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Monster]

A little crack takes the edge off for me...
Smooth and refreshing!

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http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/ws/,s,702093973/office.jpg "I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume."

"Trying is the first step towards failure."
http://www.bodo.com/simpsons/zhomerb.gif "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

[archive_MR. BMJ]

There's nothing like smoking a joint every now and then and eating every thing in the house. Them Strawberry Pop-Tarts with frosting come to mind. Decaman stated I was allowed a pack once a week on his new diet....maybe he meant to say box???http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I may smoke weed 2-5 times a year now, and I sure as hell love it. I'm with one of them jobs that can throw a random test anytime they want, so I have to be semi-cautious.

The legal status of weed is just as frustrating to me as AAS. Simply amazing.

BMJ

[Maverik]

I've smoked on and off for 10 years. I am just about to graduate school and I manage to get all A's And B's. As long as you keep it in check, like only using a couple times a week, it should not be a big deal.

I've known a lot of potsmokers, and the only time it really affects your brain is when you do lots of it, like several joints every single day.

You know, this is the only time I have seen weed discussed at AF and there wasn't 20 people that jumped in and said it was bad. Of course, now that I just said that, here they all come.... http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[madmaniac]

weed makes me retarded. when i go back to school i will quit a while before. doesnt weed make you more high strung when your not stoned though?

[archive_Caligula]

weed is bad. mmmmkay..

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"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_Bjaarki]

Except in a few cases of very toxic agents like the inhalants, and alcohol in very large quantities, the phrase "it kills brain cells" in reference to drugs of abuse should be understood metaphorically. Most recreational drugs trigger temporary flushes of neurotransmitters, and some other physiological changes both independent of and downstream from that (changes in autonomic activity, sensory perception, speed of cognitive processing, etc.). You may or may not think those perturbations are bad for you, but they're temporary and self-correcting, and nothing is "killing brain cells" in a literal sense.

About grass in relation to the anabolic lifestyle in particular, I know there are literatures on the effects of THC on testosterone production and test/est balance, and that there is also a literature on a so-called "amotivational syndrome" that is believed secondary to sustained cannabis use. But I don't know them well enough to criticize them. A PubMed search ought to do it for you.

That said ... while it would be great if we each could look each other in the eye and say "The only drugs I do are anabolics" ... people are people, and I see no harm in the occasional (underline OCCASIONAL) use of most recreational drugs. There might be a few exceptions to that, but ... weed? The same rules apply as apply everywhere else: Stay safe, keep it all under the speed limit, etc..

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[archive_Iron God]

Weed makes me homicidal.


I guess abusing alcohol is falling out of fashion with the intellectual elite like Bjaarki

I still fondly remember that bottle of Makers Mark we drank in the parking lot of the gym after legs http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[therealj]

My reply has little to do with smoking weed and more to do with turning to rec drugs for the purpose of relaxation. My reply would be the same if he wanted to pop 3 valiums or chug 10 MGD's, relaxation to me isn't caused by an altered state and anyone who believes it is has a drug problem. Just for the record I live in the weed capital of North America, Kelowna ,BC, Canada

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[archive_Ulter]

Of North America J???

Have you been to Mexico?

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[therealj]

I was 4, does that count? http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . Ok I'll re-word, BC has the best weed in the world(so I'm told) and half the guys I know here make six figures each year growing weed for the hells angels. My town is controlled by the "weed boys" Plus isn't mexico central,lol

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[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by therealj:
Plus isn't mexico central,lol

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Hmmmm, he makes a good point...
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"Trying is the first step towards failure."
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[archive_Ulter]

Ah no, it's not.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BC has the best weed in the world <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A "friend" of mine had some from there not too long ago. He would agree with that statement. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
Ah no, it's not.
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Ahhh, touche!

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"Trying is the first step towards failure."
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[Monster]

Im hazy on this... is everything on the continent above the tropic of cancer but below the arctic circle considered north america???

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"Trying is the first step towards failure."
http://www.bodo.com/simpsons/zhomerb.gif "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

[archive_1911]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monster:
Im hazy on this... is everything on the continent above the tropic of cancer but below the arctic circle considered north america?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You and others on this thread have probably already "searched" but...

NA is less defined by rigid geographic demarcation (e.g. longitude, latitude) and more so by combined socio-economic, political and geographic characterstics. Educational, governmental and regional poplulations typically list the following as NA:

Bermuda, Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Saint Pierre/Miquelon and the United States.

To add some "haze" though consider the following map of the NA Realm:

Ref: http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/namer/nad/narealm/narealfr.htm

http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/geogres/maps/nagif/nawor.gif

[archive_Ulter]

What does NAFTA mean?

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[archive_1911]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
What does NAFTA mean? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on "what position" one takes! http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[archive_Ulter]

Nice dodge. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[Monster]

I believe the "F" stands for "Fucked"...

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"Trying is the first step towards failure."
http://www.bodo.com/simpsons/zhomerb.gif "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monster:
I believe the "F" stands for "Fucked"...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I highly doubt it...but I know one thing for sure, the N stands for knowledge.

[Jonny Organon]

Sorry Rock.....

You are probably reading all this and saying what did I do????

I have seen alcohol ruin more lives, nice cars, and body's than anything else. I puff here and there, probably won't change much bud. I do however know heavy smokers and to tell you the truth they are baked all day and know one would ever know. Personally that would make me a retard if not already.

I puff once in a while. I go in phases I'll smoke a tiny joint before Adult-Swim programing on cartoon network at 10pm for like 6 weeks straight laughing my ass off before I fall into coma-like sleep for 9 hours. Then just out of the blue stop for like 3 months. I don't know.

Just don't get carried away. Stay away from meds and alcohol if you want my advice.

Calgia......I got your Mr.Macky stint. Love that mmmmmKay..... http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/banana.gif