How to Make Tren by Mike

[mike]

Mine's a little more detailed and takes every single step..I like the other write-ups, but they aren't quite as detailed as they could be and sometimes leave people a little bit confused between steps.

I'm also OCD and do everything meticulously :o

Anyway, here we go:

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Components
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1. (2) carts finaplix-h
Easy to find online from Vet product companies - usually under 'livestock' and 'implants'

2. 15ml Benzyl Benzoate and 8ml Benzyl Alcohol
Aromachemicals A-G (http://store.perfumersapprentice.com/aromachem1.html)

3. (1) bottle of grapeseed oil
Get this at your local grocery store - usually in the organic section or the cosmetics for some reason :dunno:

4. Regular coffee filter
Grovery store

5. (3) 50ml unsealed clear vials
(1) 50ml sealed clear vial
(2) .45u whatman filters
(2) .22u whatman filters
(2) 5ml syringe w/ needle
(1) 25g needle
(1) funnel
GPZ Services (http://www.getpinz.com)

6. 1 small clear glass and 1 spoon
Get from your kitchen

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Instructions
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This will make 40ml of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate

1. Measure out 6.8ml of Benzyl Benzoate and put it in 50ml Unsealed Clear Vial;
2. Put away the BB;
3. Measure out 1.2ml of Benzyl Alcohol and put it in the same 50ml Unsealed Clear vial;
4. Put away the BA;
5. Empty all of the pellets from the 2 fina carts into a glass and crush them with a spoon until they are a fine powder;
4. Use the funnel to empty the crushed pellet powder into the 50ml vial which contains your BA/BB solution - allow this to sit for at least 24 hours;
5. Put away the glass and spoon;
6. Extract 28ml of grapeseed oil from the bottle and put it into the 50ml which contains the dissolved pellets/ba/bb;
7. Extract 4ml of grapeseed oil into a syringe and set it aside;
8. Put away the grapeseed oil;
9. Take the solution of pellet powder/oil/BA/BB and pour it into the funnel, with the oil filter in place - have this drain into your other unsealed 50ml vial - allow this to drain for 24 hours
10. Remove the wet filter and squeeze any extra oil trapped in the filter into the funnel;
11. Throw away the filter and put away the funnel;
12. Using the 5ml syringe, extract 5ml of your powder/oil/ba/bb solution - attach the .45u whatman filter and put the solution into another 50ml vial (I like to switch to a new filter about half-way through because they tend to get clogged - your mileage may vary);
13. repeat step 13 until all 36 ml's (28ml oil, 8ml of ba/bb) have been transferred to another vial;
14. Use 2ml of the 4ml of oil you have saved in your other syringe and flush out whatever is left in your .45u filter;
15. Insert a 25g needle into the top of your SEALED 50ml vial;
16. Extract 5ml of your filtered solution into a syringe, attach a .22u filter and transfer this to your sealed 50ml vial (I like to switch to a new filter about half-way through because they tend to get clogged - your mileage may vary);
17. Repeat until all 38ml of your solution has been transferred to your sealed vial;
18. Flush out the filter with the remaining 2ml of oil you have saved in your syringe;
19. You now have 40ml of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate.
20. Enjoy your sweet, sweet nectar.

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any critiques?

[Ulter]

Awesome!

[testolius]

you weren't kidding when you said you were OCD. lolz

Good detailed post...so easy even a caveman could do it.

[Ulter]

What kind of glass and spoon and where to you want me to put it away?

[itsallgenetics]

Mine's a little more detailed and takes every single step..I like the other write-ups, but they aren't quite as detailed as they could be and sometimes leave people a little bit confused between steps.

I'm also OCD and do everything meticulously :o

Anyway, here we go:

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Components
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1. (2) carts finaplix-h
Finaplix-h - Allivet Trusted Pet Pharmacy (http://www.allivet.com/Finaplix-h-p/25232.htm) - use coupon code EM388 for $3.00 off

2. 15ml Benzyl Benzoate and 8ml Benzyl Alcohol
Aromachemicals A-G (http://store.perfumersapprentice.com/aromachem1.html)

3. (1) bottle of grapeseed oil
Get this at your local grocery store - usually in the organic section or the cosmetics for some reason :dunno:

4. Regular coffee filter
Grovery store

5. (3) 50ml unsealed clear vials
(1) 50ml sealed clear vial
(2) .45u whatman filters
(2) .22u whatman filters
(2) 5ml syringe w/ needle
(1) 25g needle
(1) funnel
GPZ Services (http://www.getpinz.com)

6. 1 small clear glass and 1 spoon
Get from your kitchen

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Instructions
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This will make 40ml of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate

1. Measure out 6.8ml of Benzyl Benzoate and put it in 50ml Unsealed Clear Vial;
2. Put away the BB;
3. Measure out 1.2ml of Benzyl Alcohol and put it in the same 50ml Unsealed Clear vial;
4. Put away the BA;
5. Empty all of the pellets from the 2 fina carts into a glass and crush them with a spoon until they are a fine powder;
4. Use the funnel to empty the crushed pellet powder into the 50ml vial which contains your BA/BB solution - allow this to sit for at least 24 hours;
5. Put away the glass and spoon;
6. Extract 28ml of grapeseed oil from the bottle and put it into the 50ml which contains the dissolved pellets/ba/bb;
7. Extract 4ml of grapeseed oil into a syringe and set it aside;
8. Put away the grapeseed oil;
9. Take the solution of pellet powder/oil/BA/BB and pour it into the funnel, with the oil filter in place - have this drain into your other unsealed 50ml vial - allow this to drain for 24 hours
10. Remove the wet filter and squeeze any extra oil trapped in the filter into the funnel;
11. Throw away the filter and put away the funnel;
12. Insert a 25g needle into the top of your sealed 50ml clear sterile vial;
13. Using the 5ml syringe, extract 5ml of your powder/oil/ba/bb solution - attach the .45u whatman filter and put the solution into another 50ml vial (I like to switch to a new filter about half-way through because they tend to get clogged - your mileage may vary);
14. repeat step 13 until all 36 ml's (28ml oil, 8ml of ba/bb) have been transferred to another vial;
15. Use 2ml of the 4ml of oil you have saved in your other syringe and flush out whatever is left in your .45u filter;
16. Insert a 25g needle into the top of your SEALED 50ml vial;
17. Extract 5ml of your filtered solution into a syringe, attach a .22u filter and transfer this to your sealed 50ml vial (I like to switch to a new filter about half-way through because they tend to get clogged - your mileage may vary);
18. Repeat until all 38ml of your solution has been transferred to your sealed vial;
19. Flush out the filter with the remaining 2ml of oil you have saved in your syringe;
20. You now have 40ml of 100mg/ml trenbolone acetate.

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any critiques?

WOW... i dont even think this could/should be posted on any other board

[mike]

What kind of glass and spoon and where to you want me to put it away?
lol

[mike]

WOW... i dont even think this could/should be posted on any other board
Is that a good or bad thing?

[Ulter]

WOW... i dont even think this could/should be posted on any other board

Well you can bet your ass it will be. It'll be on 50 boards within 6 months.

[itsallgenetics]

Is that a good or bad thing?

i meant it is a secret we should keep amongst ourselves!
and def made a sticky


this post is like a sore dick...ya just cant beat it

[itsallgenetics]

what is the rough cost for doing this process?

i.e. the fina pellets are 70$ once you buy all the supplies what does it come out to be?

100$ total for 40ml of tren you know you can trust is UNREAL!

[mike]

what is the rough cost for doing this process?

i.e. the fina pellets are 70$ once you buy all the supplies what does it come out to be?

100$ total for 40ml of tren you know you can trust is UNREAL!
yeah about that much. and less the next time you do it. (because you wont have to rebuy the funnel, ba, bb, oil)..just the vials/filters/fina

[P4D2A022]

sick fucking post bro!!! maybe take out allivet?

[mike]

sick fucking post bro!!! maybe take out allivet?
Why? reliable, fast shipping :dunno:

[lesarin]

allivet sucks ass. Slow shipping and horrible customer service. Or do i just want them for myself? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmhahahahahahahahahaha .

Just alittle concerned if they even care or would investigate all these orders going to people in homes, condo's, etc ? Even though its legal to order. Jst don't need big borther sniffing around.

[P4D2A022]

i meant because they one of the bigger companies that ppl get fina from

[bgriff]

What kind of glass and spoon and where to you want me to put it away?

LOL And is it ok if I wash them before I put them away...

LMAO


Great post bro

[drunknmunky]

Great stuff mike.

[bigdamray]

Mike, would you please whip me up a sample batch?

[giz]

:bowdown:

[gorillaboy55]

in leu of the glass and spoon you can staple the end of a straw and empty the pellets into it and tap with a hammer

[mike]

in leu of the glass and spoon you can staple the end of a straw and empty the pellets into it and tap with a hammer
i feel like too much gets trapped in the straw..then some genius is gonna try to blow the powder out and end up blowing the powder all over the room.

[mike]

Mike, would you please whip me up a sample batch?
Yeah, sure. I actually have some here that I just need to refilter with a .22u, but I don't plan on using it :hs:

[Big Sky Guy]

Mike is the MAN!

[juicy]

Great write-up, but that site for the ba and bb is super high

[mike]

Great write-up, but that site for the ba and bb is super high
They're the only ones I've used and I didn't want to put anything that I didn't have personal experience with.

[mike]

:)

[bigdamray]

Yeah, sure. I actually have some here that I just need to refilter with a .22u, but I don't plan on using it :hs:

DUDE!!! PM ME!!!

[mike]

DUDE!!! PM ME!!!
you PM ME!

[basskiller]

nice directions..
Iif I may.. you want to "wet down" your coffee filter with plain oil before you dump your dissolved tren mixture into the filter/funnel.

Also.. If you pour most of the clear tren mixture into the funnel first and let that drain.. then proceed to pour the rest of the gunk in the filter/funnel.. it will drain faster.. The gunk (binders) tends to clog up the coffee filter

[Ulter]

Ehhh what do you know.

[basskiller]

LOL.. just a itsy bitsy little bit.. maybe

How ya doing buddy!

[Ulter]

Good, nice to see ya here

[mike]

nice directions..
Iif I may.. you want to "wet down" your coffee filter with plain oil before you dump your dissolved tren mixture into the filter/funnel.

Also.. If you pour most of the clear tren mixture into the funnel first and let that drain.. then proceed to pour the rest of the gunk in the filter/funnel.. it will drain faster.. The gunk (binders) tends to clog up the coffee filter
lol, who's this noob.. you act like you wrote the handbook on tren brewing..


;)

how long should you let the clear tren mix drain before pouring the rest of the gunk?

trying to make this write-up as detailed as possible..so easy a caveman can do it

[gorillaboy55]

i followed your directions yesterday. just curious but why is grapeseed oil the prefered type? and does anyone else but me get chill bumps and start to drool looking at the finished product sitting on the counter with the sun light coming through it?

[mike]

i followed your directions yesterday. just curious but why is grapeseed oil the prefered type? and does anyone else but me get chill bumps and start to drool looking at the finished product sitting on the counter with the sun light coming through it?
It's thin, cheap, easy to get.

[P4D2A022]

i followed your directions yesterday. just curious but why is grapeseed oil the prefered type? and does anyone else but me get chill bumps and start to drool looking at the finished product sitting on the counter with the sun light coming through it?

FUCK YEAH BROTHER!

[basskiller]

i followed your directions yesterday. just curious but why is grapeseed oil the prefered type? and does anyone else but me get chill bumps and start to drool looking at the finished product sitting on the counter with the sun light coming through it?

the viscosity of GSO is lower of most other oils that are used. Which means you can use a smaller guage pin when injecting.. I use a 25g pin

Take for instance, Dazed' superoil.. While great and will keep damn near anything suspended, it's thick as hell and even a 23g pin is very slow to inject with

so when we can, we use the lower viscosity oils to use as the carrier

[basskiller]

lol, who's this noob.. you act like you wrote the handbook on tren brewing..
;)

how long should you let the clear tren mix drain before pouring the rest of the gunk?

trying to make this write-up as detailed as possible..so easy a caveman can do it

it usually takes just a few hours.. But when I finally dump the gunk into the filter to drain, I'll let that set overnight

[Shine]

Ol BassK is the first cat to tackle winny oil based. think he got it to hold at 50mg/ml or close. duno been to long ago! lol

Sup ol Bass.

peace.

[basskiller]

Ol BassK is the first cat to tackle winny oil based. think he got it to hold at 50mg/ml or close. duno been to long ago! lol

Sup ol Bass.

peace.

yes sir..They told me it couldn't be done..LOL..
Hey Shine!! good seeing ya again

[redguru]

BassK, how much NaOH to salt out estradiol per 5g cart of syno-h?

[basskiller]

BassK, how much NaOH to salt out estradiol per 5g cart of syno-h?

150mg of NaOH

[drsketch]

Nice! Thanks!!

[Mysterio]

It's been such a long time. I miss it!

[smoke]

got my grapeseed oil. will this go through fine doing the USP method?

Does olive oil work?

[52_21_30]

Great write-up (though I'm sure I'll find a way to fuck it up). My question (and forgive me if it's stupid and the answer is obvious) is how is this process maintaining sterility of the solution? Does the BA/BB kill any and all bacteria??

[bgriff]

Great write-up (though I'm sure I'll find a way to fuck it up). My question (and forgive me if it's stupid and the answer is obvious) is how is this process maintaining sterility of the solution? Does the BA/BB kill any and all bacteria??

The BA helps with sterility.... But also its when you run it through the Whatman.

[52_21_30]

Ok...That's really my only concern. If I was certain I could reliably make a clean product I'd be brewing this stuff by the gallon

[IronSlade]

150mg of NaOH

There's a hidden gem I did not expect in this thread. :)

[smoke]

can I skip waiting 24hours to disolve by heating water in the microwave and letting the bottle sitting a bowl in the water?

Also is there a issue leaving it unsealed and open to air while sitting and disolving? does the alcohol dissolve?

Please advise. Thanks!

[Blut Wump]

can I skip waiting 24hours to disolve by heating water in the microwave and letting the bottle sitting a bowl in the water?

Also is there a issue leaving it unsealed and open to air while sitting and disolving? does the alcohol dissolve?

Please advise. Thanks!Dissolved is dissolved however you get there. You can if you wish, just don't be tempted to nuke the tren itself.

I'm sure there'll be some evaporation of the alcohol but it should be minimal.

[Cyp]

Ok am I missing something for two carts are you only using a little bit of the BB BA ordered?

-6.8ml of Benzyl Benzoate
-1.2ml of Benzyl Alcohol

Or is it all used and can it be all done at once, rather then breaking it up. Sorry first time making my "Magic Solution."

Thanks

[Mono_1]

1. Measure out 6.8ml of Benzyl Benzoate and put it in 50ml Unsealed Clear Vial;
2. Put away the BB;
3. Measure out 1.2ml of Benzyl Alcohol and put it in the same 50ml Unsealed Clear vial;
4. Put away the BA;

[JABS]

Alright making my own kit for the first time and just want to make sure I have everything corret.

I'm ordering
3 fina carts
Benzyl Benzoate
Benzyl Alcohol
USPS Filtered grapeseed oil
a bunch of whatmans

I've always used the four gram kits but for this batch I want to make it a little strong by using 3 carts or 6 grams. What is lowest amount of grapeseed oil BB and BA I can use where the solution would be stable?

thanks I appreciate it!

[indi]

Can you use just benzyl benzoate and not use benzyl alcohol at all

[Blut Wump]

Can you use just benzyl benzoate and not use benzyl alcohol at allI wouldn't recommend it. The BA is the primary anti-microbial agent. You can go as low as approx 1% with the BA in the final solution but I wouldn't drop it completely. Bacteriostatic water uses 0.9%.

[HAYEZ]

another 80ml batch im putting together today thanks to these directions :)

[richd328]

I'm with you Hayez, finished the first 40ml yesterday and put the second round of pellets in the solution this morning. I'm brewing 150mg/ml. The first batch came out perfect. Had to take an injection this morning to try it.

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

if i were to use this method but the only change i make is instead of 2 carts i use 3 would this give me 40ml @ 150mg/ml?

[richd328]

I used the comp th, 1 cart for 100mg/ml, 1.5 carts for 150mg/ml
fina uses 2 carts for 100mg/ml so yes using 3 carts would give you 150mg/ml.

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

thanks brother.

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

I'm brewing my own batch of tren and instead i used 3 carts to try and get closer to 150mg/ml. My question is this, while filtering through the coffee filter should i still get what looks like white or creamy caramel collored solution sitting at the bottum?

[FIF]

I'm brewing my own batch of tren and instead i used 3 carts to try and get closer to 150mg/ml. My question is this, while filtering through the coffee filter should i still get what looks like white or creamy caramel collored solution sitting at the bottum?

You will still get that creamy gunk at the bottom of the filter. I usually pour a couple mls of filterd warm oil over it and then squeeze the rest of the solution out.

Fif

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

You will still get that creamy gunk at the bottom of the filter. I usually pour a couple mls of filterd warm oil over it and then squeeze the rest of the solution out.

Fif

Thanks Fif. But by adding a couple more ml's of oil does that not reduced to potency? By the way when you say a couple ml's, how much exactly?

[Blut Wump]

Thanks Fif. But by adding a couple more ml's of oil does that not reduced to potency? By the way when you say a couple ml's, how much exactly?It's generally a good idea to have kept a few ml of oil out of the mix just for flushing filters, whether the coffee filter or the Whatman's.

[FIF]

Thanks Fif. But by adding a couple more ml's of oil does that not reduced to potency? By the way when you say a couple ml's, how much exactly?

I use anywere between 2-3 mls at the most. Its nice and warm i pour a little into that meshed gunk and squeeze. I may pour a little more just in case there is some extra fina residue. Hope this helps.

I will need to order some more th carts soon myself...although I loathe making tren from pellets...I may go for the powder next time around.

Fif

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

How long did it take most to push through the whatman filters? I made my batch at 150mg/ml and so far i've gone through two .45 whatmans already and only filtered 15ml of tren. This process is very slow. drip by drip it goes through. Is this normal?

[Blut Wump]

It's one of the reasons why everyone should always do their first run of anything precisely by the book, with no deviation from the given instructions. You now find yourself in a situation which you have no experience to get out of and those who might have the experience are left guessing at the precise state of your gunk.

I'd suggest leaving everything to sit and settle for a week or more, a month if you have the patience, and then continue filtering and try not to disturb anything that's sitting at the bottom of the beaker/vial. Cover the beaker or stopper the vial while it's sitting to minimize alcohol losses through evaporation.

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

well with some a lil time and patience i was able to salvage 30 ml's of my brew the rest is stuck in whatmans and splattered all over the walls...lol i hear you on sticking to the book. next brew will done as stated, no deviation it looks preety good though i must say.

[Blut Wump]

Well, congrats on persevering. The finished brew makes it all worthwhile. :)

[HUNGRY4MUSCLE2764]

This is brew number 2. I followed the instructions on the Tren Brew. Only difference is I used the Component Th instead of the finaplix carts and I brewed to 100mg/ml instead of the 150mg/ml I last brewed. I let the pelletes dissolve in the BA/BB mix and it did fairly quickly (couple hours)and i did not even crush pelletes. Funny thing is the tint of it is like urine. My last batch I used Fin Carts and it was more of a darker brownish look. Question to you is, is this normal?

:help::bowrofl::help::bowrofl::help::bowrofl:

[indi]

Can you use just benzyl benzoate and not use benzyl alcohol at all

On the flipside can you just use benzyl alcohol and no benzyl benzoate?

[redguru]

This is brew number 2. I followed the instructions on the Tren Brew. Only difference is I used the Component Th instead of the finaplix carts and I brewed to 100mg/ml instead of the 150mg/ml I last brewed. I let the pelletes dissolve in the BA/BB mix and it did fairly quickly (couple hours)and i did not even crush pelletes. Funny thing is the tint of it is like urine. My last batch I used Fin Carts and it was more of a darker brownish look. Question to you is, is this normal?

:help::bowrofl::help::bowrofl::help::bowrofl:

Yeah, Component TH does look a little lighter than Finaplix-H, but The difference is since there was more tren ace in solution in the previous batch the color would be darker

[indi]

On the flipside can you just use benzyl alcohol and no benzyl benzoate?

Any ideas?

[Blut Wump]

I wouldn't recommend no BA since it's needed for its bacteriostatic properties.

I'm sure that you could dispense with the BB and just use BA but I don't know why you'd want to unless you're sensitive to BB and very insensitive to BA. I've never tried, though.

[BIGNUTZ]

got a question about flushing the whatmans. i didnt use the coffee filter, instead went right to whatmans(only used 4 to make 40ml @150mg/ml. could have done it with 3 but i got tired of pushing after 10 ml so i used an extra!)

when i first start the whatman it takes up about 1.5ml before anything comes out so doesnt that mean if u filter 10 ml of solution u would have to flush with 1.5ml to get the whole 10 ml of solution?

[basskiller]

got a question about flushing the whatmans. i didnt use the coffee filter, instead went right to whatmans(only used 4 to make 40ml @150mg/ml. could have done it with 3 but i got tired of pushing after 10 ml so i used an extra!)

when i first start the whatman it takes up about 1.5ml before anything comes out so doesnt that mean if u filter 10 ml of solution u would have to flush with 1.5ml to get the whole 10 ml of solution?

after your done filtering your experiment.. Just use air to push the reas of the oil out of the whatman

BTW I only use one syringe filter

[BIGNUTZ]

ok i just ran 3ml through each 1 and figured in a extra 1.5ml into my calc.(3-1.5 left in the whatman=1.5ml extra)
do u filter through a coffee filter first?
it took me 3 whatmans but i didnt use a coffee filter.

[Ulter]

The coffee filter will cut down on the syringe filters you need to use. I don't use one though.

[BIGNUTZ]

yeah i dont mind using the extra whatmans. i can get away with 3 but 4 was alot easier.

[P4D2A022]

how much you make, 40ml? i get about 10ml if i dont use a coffee filter

[BIGNUTZ]

yeah 40 ml @ 150mg/ml. 10 per whatman was easy i tried to do 15 but it got hard on the last 3-4.

[P4D2A022]

yeah i know. how muh tren gets lost in the filter you think? i guess it comes out to 75% total yield in the end?

[richd328]

Even with the second flush of the filter you think that much gets lost?

[BIGNUTZ]

i dont think u lose that much. my filters were almost brown before i flushed them and after they were a very pale yellow. so i dont think there was too much, if any, tren left in there.
i was just curious how to figure the oil loss. if i run 10 ml of mix through the whatman but the first 1.5ml just fills the whatman, when i flush with 3 ml of straight oil it should yeild a total of 11.5ml if i dont flush with air afterward like basskiller said?

[2horns]

how do all the #'s change if you make 6 grams at 100mg/ml...how much BA and BB? how much GSO? etc etc...

[Sal Paradise]

I'm getting ready to do a batch and I've done this many, many times before - usually with no pre-purchased kit.

Only problem with this go round is I was given a kit with roughyl 200ml of oil (2 - 100ml) and 2 vials of undisclosed disolving solution. I'm going to measure it and take a stab that it's a blend of BA/BB
It's for someone else so I don't know where the kit came from. Just doing the conversion as I have experience with it and it results in a some of the final brew for free.

I've never used BA/BB before - only straight BA and never had a problem myself.

One question though - has anyone ever done just a couple of coffee filters and then bake for sterilization?
I know I have on occasion over the years and never had a problem - though I don't recommend it - I didn't have an issue.

Aside from the sterility issue - and if it's baked this may be a moot point - but do most use the .045 simply to remove more of the binders?

Just a question I thought I'd ask.
I've done it many times with the coffee filter then the .045 and a couple with only the coffee filter and a baking cycle.

Now I'm off to try and figure out what the amount of stuff is in the unmarked magic vials.

**NOTE: Just measured the solution and it's just about 15ml total.
And the supplied pellets is one box of 10 Fina carts.
Again I have no idea what the solution is and if it's a kit for the full 10 carts or if it's for 8 carts.

My initial thought is based on the formula listed in the instructions here (6.8ml of Benzyl Benzoate + 1.2ml of Benzyl Alcohol) what I have would be for a total of 4 carts each with this kit. SO...4 carts per 100 ml with loss factored in somewhere around 77mgs/ml with about 100ml given the kit.

Any thoughts?


Thanks -
Sal

[Blut Wump]

I'd strongly recommend against injecting anything that hasn't been filtered. The solution is exposed to the air and so can acquire all manner of particulate pollutants. Only filtering can remove these and a small particle of fibre can cause an abscess. I always filter through a 0.2µm filter into a sealed sterile vial. Many seem happy with a 0.45µm filter. As far as I'm concerned, if it hasn't been through a 0.2µm filter then it's not sterile. Baking isn't needed and isn't reliable.

[Sal Paradise]

I'd strongly recommend against injecting anything that hasn't been filtered. The solution is exposed to the air and so can acquire all manner of particulate pollutants. Only filtering can remove these and a small particle of fibre can cause an abscess. I always filter through a 0.2µm filter into a sealed sterile vial. Many seem happy with a 0.45µm filter. As far as I'm concerned, if it hasn't been through a 0.2µm filter then it's not sterile. Baking isn't needed and isn't reliable.

Thanks for the input Blut Wump.

I agree - filtering is a critical step as is the reason I do so now.
It's just that I have done so without in the past with no ill effects - that of course doesn't mean it's safe - just lucky.

Of course there's always someone who will simply grind up the pellets, mix it in a suspension of oil and shoot!!! Yes, I know someone who has done that!

The thing about the air - by your comment is it safe to assume you don't inject air into the vial prior to drawing up your vitamins? If so, does the vacuum created from repeated use not eventually leak atmospheric air into the vial?
Also what about single use ampules? Once these are opened they are no longer sterile either? Correct?

Please share your thoughts as they are always appreciated.


Thanks-

Sal

[Blut Wump]

It's a tough call with simple exposure to the air with an amp. Provided that you aren't in a dusty room, though, the small time spent exposed should be fine. When I draw air into a syringe to push into the vial, I always do it with the cap still on to give some small extra protection against air-borne crud. The BA content should prevent bacteria which enter a vial from thriving to become active colonies so the only real concern is particles, typically fibres. Note that guys do get abscesses despite following sterile technique. It's all a risk.

As regards amps, they have their own issue of glass micro-fragments. Recommended practice when drawing from an amp is to use a 19g 5µm filter-needle. Of course, hardly anyone does and I doubt that most juicers have even heard of a filter needle.

I guess that all any of us can do is to follow the line which balances convenience and safety. That line will be in a slightly different place from person to person.

As an extra note, a single baking can activate mould spores or yeasts, which can be immune to BA. If baking, it should be done twice to kill everything. Of course, if one has filtered then there should be nothing there to kill.

[Sal Paradise]

Thanks again!!

Very good info and much appreciated.

I agree it's always a balance - unfortunately the best we can do is still sometimes not enough. No reason to use risky practices if they can be avoided.


Sal

[DrEric]

I purchased a 4G kit from brett maverick sports. I tried to post the URL but was blocked bc I don't have enough posts. I've made this before but it's been a long time. From what I read in this thread it looks like there is a total of 8ml of the dissolving solution, 6.8ml bb, 1.2 ml ba. According to the site they provide 10ml dissolving solution.

Would you measure out 8ml of it and discard the rest to keep your concentration consistent? Who knows what percentages they even use of each.

Also says the oil is USP cottonseed oil. OK? or would you go purchase the GSO.

Then it gives this wierd filter I've never seen before, it's a long thin green filter. Has anyone used these, or should I just purchase some Whatmans? Thanks

[Sal Paradise]

Honestly - ince you purchased a kit - I'd just use what they provided.
The GSO vs the cottonseed oil isn't going ot be that noticable if at all.
The 10ml of solution - go with what they gave you.
You can't assume it's % breakdown of BA or BB.

If they sent a 4G kit - then that is what they intend for you to use.

Regarding the filter - haven't got a clue - never heard of a long thin green type.

If there is question abotu the kit - I'd email them and simply ask to make sure you got the right one.


Sal

[toddcdozer]

I purchased a 4G kit from brett maverick sports. I tried to post the URL but was blocked bc I don't have enough posts. I've made this before but it's been a long time. From what I read in this thread it looks like there is a total of 8ml of the dissolving solution, 6.8ml bb, 1.2 ml ba. According to the site they provide 10ml dissolving solution.

Would you measure out 8ml of it and discard the rest to keep your concentration consistent? Who knows what percentages they even use of each.

Also says the oil is USP cottonseed oil. OK? or would you go purchase the GSO.

Then it gives this wierd filter I've never seen before, it's a long thin green filter. Has anyone used these, or should I just purchase some Whatmans? Thanks
do you have a vise to stick the syringe in to tighten to get that peice of junk to filter.I bought some of those once and OMG they suck bad.Get some what mans or you will not be happy.

[DrEric]

do you have a vise to stick the syringe in to tighten to get that peice of junk to filter.I bought some of those once and OMG they suck bad.Get some what mans or you will not be happy.

Nah, I don't have a vise, I'm gonna order some Whatmans. To be honest, I've never seen this thing they sent me, and I've never seen anyone else using them

[Blut Wump]

What you have could be a needle-filter. If so, it's useless for making a solution which is safe to inject, so maybe it's something else.

You should be able to use URLs now. Try again to post the link if you wish, or, maybe, just a link to an image of the thing that someone might recognise it.

[DrEric]

Yeah, it's a needle filter. Got the 4gm kit.

Aroma kits (http://www.brettmavericksports.com/aromakits.html)

[Blut Wump]

They're typically just a 5µm filter, normally used to prevent glass shards being drawn up from an amp and likely enough to stop spores but definitely not bacteria.

You really need to be using a sub-micron filter, 0.45µm or 0.2µm. Having passed though a 0.2µm filter, your solution should be sterile.

[DrEric]

They're typically just a 5µm filter, normally used to prevent glass shards being drawn up from an amp and likely enough to stop spores but definitely not bacteria.

You really need to be using a sub-micron filter, 0.45µm or 0.2µm. Having passed though a 0.2µm filter, your solution should be sterile.

Do you do both? the .45 then the .2?

[Blut Wump]

No, but some guys do. Some just do the 0.45 some just do the 0.2. Clogging is the main problem.

[DrEric]

So, you can go with the .2 as the first filtration? Is the reason some use the .45 so as less likely to clog the .2 by filtering out the bigger stuff first?

[MR10X]

The first batch i did i used a coffee filter but it soaked up a lot of the oil after sitting overnight.I then used a .2 whatman filter to put it in the sterile vial,and i only had to use 1 filter for 20ml of oil. Next batch i am going to use a .45 syringe filter instead of the coffee filter,i will pull the cleaner stuff off the top of the solution after it sits overnight,then do the last part of the solution with all the crap in it and flush it with the extra oil saved for flushing. I bought the kit for the 2gm conversion ,but it came with more than enough magic solution (probably for the 4gm conv) so i only use the correct amount and not all of it.I ended up with 20ml after it was all done.I suspect i lost 1ml of oil in the conversion,but the actual pellets made up the difference in the final total. Not accounting for loss,it would be 100mg/ml at 20 ml,i figure it lost maby 5% in the conversion so i am figuring mine is 95mg/ml.

[Blut Wump]

That is an enthusiastic estimation. Expect it to be closer to 75mg/ml.

[MR10X]

That is an enthusiastic estimation. Expect it to be closer to 75mg/ml.

I was affraid of that:taz:

[MR10X]

So i will probably be doing 1ml everyday for dosage,with a little test.

[MR10X]

Saw the greyhounds run for the first time in my life,very interesting.

[TruthDevoid]

Just ordered all the supplies to try this out!

[canecorso]

Just ordered all the supplies to try this out!

It works, just take your time do NOT rush.

[TruthDevoid]

okay, so i let the pellet powder dissolve for over 24 hours, then i added the grapeseed oil and poured the solution in the coffee filter, but there's still a little bit of gunk stuck at the bottom of the original 50ml vial that won't come out. Is that normal and just not worry about it, or do i need to get all of that out somehow? I want to make sure i'm doing this as efficient as possible

[Alumni]

how about makin it in enan form was that in here somewhere?