You guys see Supersize Me?

[therealj]

Saw it tonight, enjoyed it, not as much as I had hoped but good movie nontheless. I couldn't help but look around the theatre at all the overweight people watching, wondering what their perspective is. For me I sat there wanting to eat McDonalds knowing that it wouldn't harm me and I'd be back in the gym tomorrow even if it did. I did find myself feeling a little bad for McDonalds as if they are somehow responsible for fattening America, I guess there's not much to be said for free will. Anyway check it out, worth the price

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[archive_Ulter]

I haven't seen it but it's been pretty topical for the last month, which is good. The movie caused McD's to change their menu and advertise a chicken salad a couple months ago as a pre-emptive strike.

I will see it when I can find somewhere here with the balls to show to all the fatasses in Orlando.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[hooker]

Ever read "FastFood Nation"? Its even more disturbing...

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[archive_Mickey]

I find the movie disturbing in the fact that he is focusing on McD's exclusively. I think its pretty safe to say that you could go to a lot of other resturants, fast food or not, and if you ate the same meals over and over day after day that you would have the same increased health problems. I dont know anyone that eats McD's 3 times a day, do you? I'm sure if you ate nothing but Hooters 3 times a day it would hurt you also (your health, definately not your eyes http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and I say that because I love Hooters wings) What if you ate at Olive Garden 3 times a day and ate pasta, you dont think that would hurt you as well?

He did it for attention and he got it but at the expense of someone else. I'm not saying that McD's is great and I know that fast food is bad but I think that the film is too much of an exaggeration of reality. Nobody eats it that much and nobody gets supersized everytime.

My local theater isnt showing it but I would like to see it as well.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[therealj]

Mickey..you haven't seen it so you are passing judgement a little unfairly. McDicks is I believe 45% of the entire fast food market, so in trying to make his point he had to single out the largest target. He also takes shots ot Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Bell, you name it. This movie is an attack on the obesity epidemic as much as it is on McDicks. And you'd be surprised at the number of people that do eat McDicks every single day, 1 in 4 of you lazy Americans http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . Also in the 180 meals he had from McDicks only 6 were supersized, he could only get it supersized if he was asked, and he had to eat everything on the menu at least once, so there were days when he was having salads and such. Yes he could have probably picked any place and eaten like shit, I agree with that, but seeing as how McDicks is the largest culprit in the fast foor world it was fitting he picked them. Go see the movie, because you are smart enough to know better, you will feel a little bad for McDicks but I also think you'll appreciate what he's trying to do and see that he doesn't really have an axe to grind

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[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
I haven't seen it but it's been pretty topical for the last month, which is good. The movie caused McD's to change their menu and advertise a chicken salad a couple months ago as a pre-emptive strike.

I will see it when I can find somewhere here with the balls to show to all the fatasses in Orlando.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

McDonalds has had a lot of healthy choice options in Canada for over a year, and hasn't dropped the supersize yet. Interesting to know that salad you mentioned has both more calories and fat once you put the ranch dressing on it than a big mac

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[therealj]

Mickey I forgot to mention...his health is really fucked up....not poor, and not some simple weight gain. But severly fucked up and on a serious path to permanent damage, his liver was leaking toxins into his blood but the end of the 30 days, the doctors we sincerly concerned for his health. I won't ruin any more of the movie...find it...see it...you'll enjoy it....it took all my will power not to eat some McDicks last night.....joy of being skinny I guees,lol

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[archive_Ulter]

I didn't see it either but I think he did the right thing by going after McD's. I've been to the first McD's in Des Plaines, outside Chicago, and McD's holds it up as a monument. Reminding people they started it all. So why not go after them exclusively. They are the highest profile with the worst menu, save White Castle, in the industry. Who invented "super size me"?? Ray Kroc was the one who taught his cashiers to say, "would you like a shake with that?" which started the whole concept of upselling fast food. I applaud the decision to go after them with both barrels.

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[archive_Mickey]

Youre right J I guess I should see it first before commenting. What I have seen on TV about the movie says that he eats supersized meals each meal and they said that his health wasnt that bad.

McD's does suck and they started the whole trend but I feel that other establishments use their ideas to pollute everyones bodies as well. Even without seeing the movie I stand by my points that if you ate every meal at a lot of resturants it would make you sick.

Toxins coming out of your liver is pretty nasty though http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Where is free will? Nobody forces anybody to eat that shit. This silly documentary will be used for propaganda to duplicate the crusade against tabacco. I already can hear the grubby lawyers approach and all those fat assholes crying for a class action law suit. Fuck that guy. Education not litigation...Damn I am so tired of "Victim Society"

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[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I dont know anyone that eats McD's 3 times a day, do you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm on the wagon right now but I've been up to 3 times a day before. Yet my cholesterol is still good. I had better watch it though if I want to keep it that way.

I was reading some of McDonald's menu items online. Did you know they actually serve a fucking lobster sandwich somewhere?!?! That's a trip.

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[archive_Ulter]

When they put a McD's in Water Tower Place on Michigan Ave in Chicago the people going there had never seen one. It had original oil paintings and leather booths. The people went in and sat down waiting for the waiter to come to their table. Not knowing what else to do the managers ended up taking the peoples orders. This went on for a couple weeks until McD's finally hired waitresses. The menu there is quite different than your average McD's. Or at least used to be.

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[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by therealj:
And you'd be surprised at the number of people that do eat McDicks every single day, 1 in 4 of you lazy Americans <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We cant all eat back bacon and drink Molson...
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But anyway, Im glad to see this happen. I do agree with Mr.N that the whole victim society that has been born of this nations lack of any willingness to take responsibility for ouselves is a complete farce... but I like seeing an attack on these purveyors of food-filth.
They really do market the product in a way that almost creates an addiction type of response in people.

$.10 for twice as many fries?
$.39 to get everything as large as possible?

Theyre contributing to an obesity epedemic and then enabling the obese by giving them easy access to the thing that put them in that position in the first place.
I agree that McDonalds shouldnt be held "legally" responsible, but their new "health oriented" commercials show that they understand what theyre doing and that the public has caught on...

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[archive_Mickey]

I agree with Mr.Nobody and I think that your guys are looking at this the wrong way and this documentary is silly.

Monster I dont think they are contributing to anybodys problems. They offer a product, no one has to buy it. This is the same shit I hear when people talk about guns. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. If the government told all places that served bad food to shut down then everyone would have a fit about how it infringes on their rights. Monster you said that they give obese people easy access to the thing that put them in that position in the first place. Are you serious? Should we limit access to foods now so nobody gets fat? Should we also not offer buffets that we love to go to?

I also eat McDonalds. I dont eat it 3 times a day though and I dont get supersized meals. Actually I dont get meals at all. I will eat their salads and now their new nuggets and a double cheeseburger when I need calories. I am not severely obese. I can still eat McD's and be healthy and so can the rest of the world.

Abuse of anything is not good for you, whether its bad food, drugs, alcohol, steroids or whatever. Nobody makes you do anything, people need to be responsible for their own actions. When I get fat I dont blame McD's and Hooters for their food, I blame my ass for driving there and giving them my money for their product.

Caligula, they offered that lobster sandwich in the North East last summer. I know we had it in NJ.

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[archive_Ulter]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
Where is free will? Nobody forces anybody to eat that shit. This silly documentary will be used for propaganda to duplicate the crusade against tabacco. I already can hear the grubby lawyers approach and all those fat assholes crying for a class action law suit. Fuck that guy. Education not litigation...Damn I am so tired of "Victim Society"

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This has nothing to do with "victim society" issues.
You say educate and not litigate. That's great because that is exactly what this guy is doing. He is plying his trade in order to educate people about food at McD's. He's not litigating anything.
When McD's spends a billion dollars to convince people that their food is a healthy choice who do think should argue that? The government? Do you want to spend your tax dollars to "educate" people that it's not true dollar for dollar? Or maybe we should do nothing, leave it all unchanged, pay out the ass for health insurance, strain the entire healthcare system, and run business as usual.
This is guy who is actually spending his time and money, to say nothing of his health, to DO SOMETHING about the problem and you want to chastise him for it. I disagree, this guy is a hero.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mickey:
I agree with Mr.Nobody and I think that your guys are looking at this the wrong way and this documentary is silly.


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But you haven't seen it!!! . Watch the movie and you will see that it's not a personal attack on McDonalds per say, but an attack on an ever increasing obese nation. You guys keep beating a dead horse, we know you don't have to eat this shit, we know you don't have to drink 12 beer and drive a car, and we know you don't want to go around having unprotected sex, we like to think we're smart enough to realize we shouldn't do these things, but they still happen every single day. This guy is simply showing what happens from eating fast food for 30 straight days, he has no real agenda with McDonalds, if this movie stops a few people from killing themselves by being obese how is this a silly documentary? The doctors were shocked to see how poor his health was, and none of them predicted it would be that bad, so what's wrong with bringing light to this issue. Whether you choose to believe it or not this is an addiction for some people not unlike drugs and alcohol. The first two girls to sue McDonalds lost their court case for one simple fact "they failed to show such a diet could have a negative impact on their overall health", well guess what, he proves it does. Congress has since approved the "cheeseburger bill" to shield restaurant franchises and food firms from blame for making customers "dangerously fat. You guys really need to see the movie before passing judgement based on the facts that suit your argument. Maybe you guys that didn't watch tonights hockey game can give me your views on it tomorrow http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[archive_Ulter]

LMAO!!!! J and I are posting between periods

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[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
I disagree, this guy is a hero.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you I agree, this guy doesn't have an axe to grind like Moore, nor does he go for the cheap laugh, he's educating both himself and the nation if they care to listen

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[therealj]

hahah...with that said...it's back on, lol

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Yes, I understand. He made his point to educate the public. Then do we need to see a documentary about a guy smoking a pack of cigarettes 3 times per day too? Or maybe somebody eating a bag of potato chips an hour....lets do a documentary about that as well....c'mon guys
I mean who DOESN'T know by now that that shit is unhealthy? We need to beef up food education efforts in schools and continued food education in the work place or maybe a junkfood tax similar to the cigarettes tax to cover the healthcare cost of shit food and charge more health insurance for people who do not take care of themself
I am just afraid that this silly documentary will set off another crusade with class action law suits ala tabacco. And as far as bills passed by congress go, if there are lawyers with a cause they will find loopholes

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[archive_Mickey]

Im still with Mr. Nobody on this one.

I just dont see how we need this documentary to tell people that this food is bad. J this is still a gross exaggeration in my eyes. It might be bad for your health to eat it everyday for each meal for a month straight but I just dont think that is an accurate reflection of normal eating habits or even poor eating habits.

J is right though and I really shouldnt be critical of something that I dont know all the facts about. As far as hockey goes right now, I'm on your side because I hate Tampa sports teams http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I also believe that the word "hero" should be saved for more appropriate people and circumstances.

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[archive_Mickey]

For the record my dinner tonight was at Outback and it consisted of fried mushrooms, a caesar salad, a loaf of that great bread they have, and to wash it down a 16 oz prime rib steak with veggies http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/tounge[1].gif

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[archive_Loco]

Yes, people know that fast food is bad for them, as well as butter, cheese, fried foods, beer etc. The point is they don't know HOW BAD that stuff is for them.

I don't think the majority of the population realizes that one meal at BK or McD's could supply their total fat intake for the day. This documentary visually shows people how bad this food is for them and I am anxious to see it.

[therealj]

Mr N I'm sure you know the tobacco industry lied for years about the health consequences and addiction of cigarettes, maybe a documentary like this 40 years ago would have enlighted some mislead individuals. Have you seen this movie?!?!?...the guy was killing himself, he wasn't simply getting fat and bad cholesterol. He was a very healthy individual with above average health for his age and 11% bodyfat, in 30 days he was 24.5lbs heavier, 18% bodyfat(still 4% under the US average) and showing toxic readings in both liver and kidney functions, he was flirting with permanent damage in only 30 days. If he shouldn't draw attention to the growing obesity epidemic please tell me who will? The government?..hahha..watch the movie to see how much money is spent educating the nation on healthy eating, watch the movie and see what the kids in the schools you mentioned are being served for lunch. Better yet please explain to me why there is a growing obesity issue in the US and why this filmaker should remain silent? Within the next 10-20 years obesity is going to be the #1 preventable cause of death in the United States,over taking tobacco. At the current rate 1 out of every 3 children born in the US from the year 2010 on will develop diabetes. Why again is this documentary silly, really?? Obviously people don't realize how bad these foods are. You think the average person goes into McDonalds realizing that the super size coke they are about to drink has 45 teaspoons of sugar and the insulin spike that coke is about to cause is going to make those fries stick to their stomach like glue. The average person walking into McDonalds does not have 1/10 the brain power we possess in regards to diet and nutrition. Have a discussion about diet with an "average" person tomorrow and then ask yourself if you think they are properly prepared to make wise choices in their daily eating, ask yourself if you think they have a complete grasp on how fats/proteins/carbs work in their body. You already know the answer, yet this documentary is silly, drawing attention to the soon to be number #1 cause of preventable death in your country is silly, I don't understand your logic there. I guess your view is ignorance is bliss huh?

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[archive_Ulter]

I would like to point out that until 60 Minutes ran the show that exposed the fact the tabacco companies lied and that they DID know the health risks, not much changed.
So it was journalism that changed the course of the tabacco companies.
This movie may do the same thing.

I don't think the movie will set off law suits as much as it will educate. In other words, I think it will do more good than bad.
Besides all the law suits filed against McD's have been tossed.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[therealj]

Mr.N...my tone was towards the debate not you,lol...sorry...I'm dieting and moody http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Besides all the law suits filed against McD's have been tossed <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Salad, lol

Mark my words, this WILL mean more attempts to litigate from fat asses....I hope I am wrong though.

See, the propblem is that this will actually do very little to change eating habbits. Fast food junkies will have forgotten the movie tomorrow or never even heard of it. But as soon as there is a law suit and some bloated fat ass can blame a corporation for his laziness and loser existence, then watch them show up in their walkers, scooters and other fatmobiles with their hand stretched out.
Good dietary habbits is a life style choice and only works for people who care enough about their health and body to watch their diet. People frequenting fast food establishments regularly have too many excuses and/or dont care. That documentary will not change that.

Tabacoo lied? Get out of here, they would not lie about health issues. Its hard to believe that inhaling blueish fumes hour after hour could be bad for your lungs......

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[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-01-04 at 08:26 AM.]

[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mickey:

Monster I dont think they are contributing to anybodys problems. They offer a product, no one has to buy it.
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The problem is their misrepresentation of their food.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Monster you said that they give obese people easy access to the thing that put them in that position in the first place. Are you serious? Should we limit access to foods now so nobody gets fat? Should we also not offer buffets that we love to go to?
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Not at all. You mention in a post above about your dinner... Outback Steakhouse. Most people trying to raise a family, even in a two income household, dont have the resources for a house, two cars (two breadwinners = two cars) and Outback Steakhouse for a family of 3 or 4 or whatever. Combine that with the hectic lifestyle that comes from having both adults working full time and you have fast food become almost a neccesity.
The problem is that McDonalds (and the others) portray themselves as an alternative to dinner. They delibretly hide the fact that their food is glorified garbage and basically poisonous.
Its easy for a kid living at home or a person with a lot of disposable income (from a family with money?? or maybe living at home with less expenses??) to say that all you have to do is eat somewhere else. It isnt that clear or easy to everyone else.


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I also eat McDonalds. I dont eat it 3 times a day though and I dont get supersized meals. Actually I dont get meals at all. I will eat their salads and now their new nuggets and a double cheeseburger when I need calories. I am not severely obese. I can still eat McD's and be healthy and so can the rest of the world.
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We cant use ourselves in this sort of debate. We're different than the ordinary american and better informed.
Im sure your immediate thought is to respond with "they should get informed about things that affect them"... but I think that is unfair. They are getting informed by a media monster that is lieing to them and misleading them. Its unrealistic to think everyone should be informed about everything that happens in or around their life.

Its like saying if your car explodes in a side impact accident, too bad, you should have informed yourself on design flaws.

If your computer stops working due to a virus, too bad, you should know how to compile your system kernel and be able to restore from a kernal panic.

Your air conditioner stopped working, too bad, you should be HVAC certified.

If the food you eat is killing you, too bad, you should know more about nutrition.

We all know what we know about nutrition because it is a part of our pursuits (BBing), its unfair to demand eveyone else know this too, especially when they are being led to believe that the government is regulating this (ummm, the FDA) and keeping an eye on false claims (FCC).


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Nobody makes you do anything, people need to be responsible for their own actions.
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Not true. Through a lie of ommission they are making people belive that fast food is a viable alternative. They are touting "healthy alternatives" and not mention what they are an alternative to.
People are responsible for themselves, but these companies need to bear some bit of resposibility for their actions too.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Nobody makes you do anything, people need to be responsible for their own actions.
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Mr. N cites free will. I'm all for it, and I agree, but the average American is not quite so bright and can't tell the difference between actual researched science and a sensationalized media article. The problem our masses are faced with is:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Through a lie of ommission they are making people belive that fast food is a viable alternative. They are touting "healthy alternatives" and not mention what they are an alternative to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...its unfair to demand eveyone else know this too, especially when they are being led to believe that the government is regulating this (ummm, the FDA) and keeping an eye on false claims (FCC).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Those two comments sum up the underlying problem. People are misled into eating garbage due to the corporation and media portraying McDogfood as healthy.

The best thing I can do is forget the statistics, eat like I know I should (for mass of course!) and only worry about ME, because posts like these raise my cortisol levels!
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PS...Fast food chicken is my massing-up kick right now. Get a side of beans and rice and a 12-piece, take off the skin and you're good to go! The KFC and Popeye's here in town know me by first name now...LMAO!

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

However, the fact that this documentary was ONLY about McDonald and NOT ALL fast food leads me to believe that they are being targetted purposefully for later litigation with established cause (eating only McD) and action (weight gain/ bad health)

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Defective product examples (side impact of car) is a bad example, since one burger will not kill you. The product itself (fast food) is not defective, its the non stop pothological consumption of said product thats sick.
Economic reasons for fast food I can understand, however local farmers market and shopping around offers healthy alternatives. Time for food prep can be found by watching less TV.
No, it comes down to laziness and making the right choices (you know, its what we teach little children)

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[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
However, the fact that this documentary was ONLY about McDonald and NOT ALL fast food leads me to believe that they are being targetted purposefully for later litigation with established cause (eating only McD) and action (weight gain/ bad health)

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Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
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see the movie and you will see that many fast food places are talked about

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[archive_Caligula]

You know what annoys me? The fact that McDonald's says they have done away with their super-size menu when in fact they haven't. The small is still a small, but the old large is called a medium now and the old supersize is called a large now. And the funny fucking thing is, is that the general public is way to fucking stupid to pick up on it. Or they just don't want to so they can feel better about eating their supersize frys.

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[archive_Ulter]

Mr N, There have already been several law suits by fatasses suing McD's for their health problems. Every one of the suits was tossed before it got to trial. The Judges wouldn't even hear them. The fast food companies have been very careful about their claims and unless McD's has their own Jeffrey Wigand and they are hiding their own internal research showing the products they sell are unhealthy I don't think that will change.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[therealj]

so...who's actually seen the movie?,lol

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[archive_Ulter]

http://supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=defaultpage

They aren't playing it in Florida. No surprise there.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[Mister B.]

J, it's first on our list but... we're popcorn ADDICTS. Can't get within 100 yards and we gotta' have some. So it's going to have to wait a couple weeks.

Ironically, it's the giant size with extra butter that I have a hankerin' for, LMAO!!

B

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[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mister B.:
J, it's first on our list but... we're popcorn ADDICTS. Can't get within 100 yards and we gotta' have some. So it's going to have to wait a couple weeks.

Ironically, it's the giant size with extra butter that I have a hankerin' for, LMAO!!

B

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"... my mom says I'm cool..."
-- Milhouse<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha....you keep your eye on the prize http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
http://supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=defaultpage

They aren't playing it in Florida. No surprise there.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The most surprising thing for me is the money theatres are missing out on, I'm not sure the stats for this past week, but the week prior it was yielding more money per screen than any movie in the nation with over $7000 per screen, slightly ahead of Troy

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[archive_1911]

The "food" aside, ya' ever done business with these turds on either the corp or franchise side? Holy God, what a bunch of low-end shitbags! I hate everything McDonkeydicks does, stands for symbolizes, sells, etc. Hang-out in Oakbrook under contract for awhile and I guarantee you will spew the following; "What a sh**** customer!"

PS - While I have not had any since 97' those fries are damn good unfortunately.

PSS - Ol' Ray get's my respect.

PSSS - Didn't/won't see the movie.

[archive_Mickey]

Ulter maybe we can get a bootleg copy down here in Florida.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mickey:
Ulter maybe we can get a bootleg copy down here in Florida.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you wouldn't be asking for a source would you,lol http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . You know mickey considering you seem like one of the guys I know the best on here I can't believe you only have 299 posts,lol..maybe it's because 200 of them came in defence of your Eagles,lol

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[archive_Mickey]

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/lol2[1].gif

Well I have been on here since it opened but I just never really posted. I have been around since 2000 on these boards. I now have more time to post since I moved because I dont have my friends to hang out with and keep me busy. Now you guys are my friends http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

J, from what I know of you we are just alike and seem to like the same things and have the same type personalities. I'm sure we would get along great if you didn't live all the way up in the North Pole.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[therealj]

yup...us asses need to stick together http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[archive_LuckyDog]

What's that about you two sticking your asses together??? That's sick J, real sick... http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by therealj:
you wouldn't be asking for a source would you,lol http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . You know mickey considering you seem like one of the guys I know the best on here I can't believe you only have 299 posts,lol..maybe it's because 200 of them came in defence of your Eagles,lol
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Mickey, you don't have enough posts to ask for sources, LOL. Well how can you blame him J? The eagles are really good....i especially love their songs "witchy woman" and "one of these nights" ...just a great all around band! http://www.anabolicfitness.net/smileys/lol2[1].gif

[Pharm Animal]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0604-01.htm

Thanks to PQ for digging this up and sending it to me. She said "more for monster to chew on"...LOL
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Fast Food Nation: An Appetite for Litigation

US Lawyer John Banzhaf Was the First to Sue the Tobacco Companies in the mid-Sixties. Now He Wants to Prosecute the Junk-Food Industry for Making Americans Obese

by Andrew Gumbel

John Banzhaf likes to pose this challenge to students who enroll in his graduate class on legal activism at George Washington University, in Washington, DC. Think of something that really irritates you or smacks of obvious civil injustice, he tells them. Then think of a way of using the law to right the wrong and seek redress.

In other words, as Professor Banzhaf himself puts it with the freewheeling candor we have come to expect from both heroes and villains in the American legal system, let's sue the bastards.

It's a unique approach to legal education that has had some astonishing results down the years. Banzhaf's students successfully forced the stuffy Washington Cosmos Club to admit women for the first time, and got dry-cleaners to stop charging women more than men for laundering their shirts. Back in the 1970s, they sued Spiro Agnew, the Vice-President who left office in disgrace shortly before his boss, Richard Nixon, forcing him to return the bribes he had received.

Most famously, Banzhaf pioneered the notion of suing tobacco companies for the deleterious health consequences of smoking. He started doing it in the mid-1960s, when everyone thought he was nuts, and he was still doing it in 1998 when the US states successfully pried hundreds of millions of dollars out of the Big Five tobacco companies as compensation for their smoking-related health-care costs. If tobacco advertising is now banned on television, and smoking no longer tolerated on planes or in shops and restaurants in many parts of the United States, it is largely due to Banzhaf's 35 years of campaigning and savvy application of public-interest law.

And now, he has a new target: the junk-food industry. America, as we all know, is the fattest nation on the planet and getting fatter all the time. According to a report by the US Surgeon-General, released a few months ago, 61 per cent of Americans are now significantly overweight, compared with 55 per cent in the early 1990s, and 46 per cent in the late 1970s. Obesity generates $117bn in annual medical bills and triggers 300,000 premature deaths each year.

Is this a health problem on a par with the effects of tobacco-smoking? Banzhaf thinks so, and the government's figures are there to bear him out. Can the fast-food companies and the agribusiness giants, the packagers and marketers, be held responsible for the problem? Banzhaf argues that they are certainly the ones stuffing the nation's consumers full of fat, sugar and chemical additives. With a little statistical analysis, he believes, it should be possible to assign specific shares of the blame to specific companies.

And so, he is embarking on a new adventure in legal activism. Already, his graduate class has inspired one lawsuit, against McDonald's, and at least three others are in the works around the country. And that is just the beginning. As a recent magazine headline memorably put it, he wants to see whether Americans can sue their own fat asses off.

Banzhaf, it must be said, is far from your stereotypical litigation lawyer, forever looking out for an opportunity to screw a corporation or public institution and make a fast buck. Not only does he not make a penny from the suits that he inspires, he would, in fact, much rather not bring them in the first place. He would love it if the government would overhaul the food industry to make Americans healthier, just as he would have preferred the government to take action on smoking unprompted. But America is a country where recourse to the courts is frequently the only way to effect social change, since Congress and the federal government are all too often beholden to powerful industry lobbies, and public activism is rarely effective on its own because of the country's sheer size and deep-rooted conservatism. As the mantra goes, "If you can't regulate, litigate", and that is exactly what Professor Banzhaf has in mind.

"If government is willing to regulate, force disclosure of fat and calorie content, get fast food out of schools, put more health foods in vending machines, install bike racks and showers at public buildings to encourage more exercise, and so on, great," he said in an interview. "But if government does with obesity what it did with tobacco, which is largely nothing, then we may be forced to go to our third branch, the legal system."

The big question is how to go about it. It's one thing to say that diet has a lot to do with the growing obesity problem in America, quite another to prove in court that client A's heart attack was caused specifically by McDonald's hamburgers, or by excessive bingeing on Cherry Coke. Nobody sticks to one brand of food like they stick to one brand of cigarettes, so individual suits are out of the question and class action suits would have to depend on highly complicated statistical analyses of food intake and medical cause and effect. Also, unlike smoking, there is nothing intrinsically unhealthy about eating. From the standpoint of food chemistry, at any rate, the worst that can be said about junk food is that it contains large amounts of sugar and fat, both of which are actually important parts of a balanced diet as long as they are consumed in moderation. Can individual food companies really be held responsible for the immoderate appetites of their customers? Clearly, if there is a legal case to be made, it is going to have to be fairly ingenious.

Banzhaf's approach is a gradualist one, to start with the relatively easy stuff and see how far he can take it. The first line of attack is to go after food companies that misrepresent their products by understating the fat content, say, or omitting to mention certain ingredients. That is the basis of all the suits currently going through the courts. The second, slightly harder one is to accuse companies of making misleading health claims for their products – proclaiming pork to be "the other white meat", for example, when its fat and cholesterol content are in fact closer to beef than to chicken.

The third approach would be to pick up on sins of omission, or failure to warn consumers of certain health risks. Is it wrong of a fast-food chain to fail to point out that its triple-bacon double cheeseburger supersize meal contains more fat than any sane human being should consume in a week? Arguably so. Is it grounds for a lawsuit? Maybe, if the plaintiffs can work with laws on "clear and conspicuous disclosure of material facts".

And finally, the real zinger, if it can be made to work: an onslaught on the junk-food industry as a whole, in which McDonald's et al would be made to pay their share of responsibility for the adult-onset diabetes, sclerotic arteries, heart attacks and strokes that fast food helps to cause. Legal analysts are highly skeptical as to whether such an approach could ever work, and even Professor Banzhaf describes it as "a reach". But there are some promising avenues to explore, including the possibility of describing fast food as something akin to an addiction deliberately fostered by manufacturers through their marketing, especially to children.

"We know that people can become biologically predisposed to getting overfed, that once they grow extra fat cells, their bodies become accustomed to having that fat," he said. "Those fat cells never die, and even if you lose weight they lie dormant and constantly try to get you to eat more. It's not an addiction exactly, but it doesn't leave people with a completely free choice in what they eat, either."

Banzhaf has other strategies up his sleeve, first developed in the tobacco campaigns, for exerting pressure on government. One is to push for higher health- insurance premiums for the overweight, a measure that would act as an incentive for people to shed some pounds, and would also shift more of the healthcare costs towards the people who incur them. Another is to push for higher taxes. After all, if one of junk food's principle attractions is that it is cheap, taxation is a simple way for governments to ensure that it does not stay that way.

Banzhaf does not pretend that any of these strategies would be a golden bullet, legally speaking, or even that successful lawsuits, on their own, would solve the problem of obesity. What he does believe is that intelligently mounted lawsuits can help change the climate of public opinion and pressurize junk-food companies and government regulators into changing some of their ways. "None of the things I'm suggesting are panaceas," he said. "But even the threat of lawsuits might be enough to make some helpful changes." On the tobacco issue, it was the change in public perceptions that turned the cultural tide, and that was due to a mixture of government action, anti-smoking health messages, public exposure of dishonest practices by the tobacco companies and, yes, the lawsuits.

His is undoubtedly an idea whose time has come. Drive along just about any stretch of highway in the United States, and the evidence of a nation addicted to junk is all too abundant in the endless string of signs for McDonald's, for Burger King, for In and Out Burger, Arby's and Kentucky Fried Chicken, for Taco Bell and 99-cent Tacos. There is rarely any healthier alternative. According to Eric Schlosser, author of last year's bestselling book Fast Food Nation, which has itself helped to stimulate debate on the subject, Americans now spend more on fast food than they do on movies, books, magazines, newspapers videos and recorded music combined. They spend more on mass-produced burgers than on higher education, or computers, or cars. More than 90 per cent of American children eat at McDonald's at least once a month, and the average American eats three hamburgers and four orders of fries every week.

There is certainly no problem in eating well in the cosmopolitan big cities, where the health kick has long since brought in its wake organic vegetables, farmers' markets, sun-dried tomatoes from Italy and home-made bread. But once you head inland from the coasts, away from the big population centers and the college towns, you find not only that the fancy olive oils and foreign specialty foods have vanished; and so, too, have most of the fruits and vegetables and, with them, the very notion of unprocessed fresh food. It's a straightforward question of availability, giving the lie to food industry claims that consumers can exercise free choice in deciding what to put in their mouths: in the heartland, the chains and big supermarkets have, by and large, taken over, and the few remaining family-owned businesses tend to survive through imitation rather than by providing any significant alternative. Thinness and healthy eating are increasingly becoming the preserve of the wealthy and the educated living in privileged urban cocoons.

Fast-food chains and soda vendors have penetrated college campuses and even state-run schools, where they have successfully offered sponsorship to cash-strapped school districts in exchange for the right to install their vending machines outside the classrooms. They have even invaded hospitals. While the cafeteria at the UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, one of the premier research hospitals in the country, offers sushi made on the premises and a full salad bar, at the main hospital in Toledo, Ohio, in the heart of the Midwestern rust belt, the only catering is provided by McDonald's.

With such excesses and disparities, not to mention the manifest effect on American bellies, chins and thighs, have come the beginnings of a backlash. The junk-food merchants themselves have felt it, and have changed their strategies accordingly, with Coca-Cola and Pepsi diversifying into fruit juice, and McDonald's going on a corporate buying spree to move upscale into so-called family restaurants and fresh-sandwich chains. "Mad cow disease" hasn't hit US cattle yet, but the scare has prompted some reassessment of a food economy excessively reliant on the poorly regulated mass-production of minced beef. There are also signs that a new generation of mass-market restaurant chains might grow up with a greater emphasis on quality – the Starbucks craze is one manifestation, and so, too, are smaller initiatives like the Wolfgang Puck cafés (founded by Hollywood's most prominent celebrity chef) springing up across the West. California, with its reputation for health-consciousness, has been an obvious battleground for the first stirrings of an anti-junk food movement – just last week, the city of Oakland, across the bay from San Francisco, voted to ban fast food and soda from all of its publicly run schools.

John Banzhaf's own involvement in the issue began with a student of his, a vegan who had avoided fast-food fries for years because he knew that they were dipped in beef tallow. The student was appalled by a McDonald's advertisement claiming that its fries were cooked in 100 per cent pure vegetable oil – a statement that was literally true but omitted to mention that the fries were pre-cooked in beef fat. Soon, classwork on the issue evolved into a full-blown class action suit brought by Hindus in Seattle and a number of other cities, who said that the failure to disclose the beef content was an offense to their religion and constituted an "intentional tort". McDonald's has acknowledged the oversight and, according to Banzhaf, is on the verge of settling the case for around $12.6m.

The hidden beef issue has prompted another, more recent lawsuit against Pizza Hut, the allegation being that the chain's Veggie Delight pizza has beef products in it. Hidden fat content, meanwhile, is behind two other actions, one against an ice-cream manufacturer in Florida, and another against a line of corn and rice puffs called Pirate's Booty that, according to a test conducted by Good Housekeeping magazine, contains 340 per cent more fat than is stated on the bag it comes in.

Naturally, there are some pretty powerful interests anxious to stop any anti-obesity campaign in its tracks. Already, food-industry lobbyists and laissez-faire economic thinkers have lambasted Professor Banzhaf as some kind of food Nazi, seeking to dictate what people should put into their mouths. (The epithets "grease Gestapo" and "calorie cop" have been hurled in his direction.) In a particularly bruising appearance on one of the more vulgar discussion programs on the Fox news channel, the presenters sought to trash Banzhaf as a hypocrite because he is somewhat overweight himself. A burgeoning "fat power" movement, meanwhile, argues that any attempt to get people to lose weight is tantamount to discrimination, that it is perfectly possible for a woman of average height to have a "natural" body weight of 20 stone or more, and that airlines, car manufacturers and restaurants should be obliged to provide larger seats.

Talking to Banzhaf, one senses that it is going to take a lot more than a few gratuitous insults and fat-is-good activists to undermine his determined sense of purpose. Unlike many consumer advocates – especially those involved in the anti-smoking movement – he is no pious moralist trying to tell people what is good for them. He is a legal thinker first and foremost, and his primary motivation is his belief that the law can be used as an activist tool for the public good.

"As a lawyer, I have two choices," he said. "I can litigate on behalf of whoever brings the buck into my office. Or I can look around and ask what kinds of problems I can attack through legal action. I find the latter much more interesting." It's the kind of thinking that caused his alarmed detractors to describe him down the years as a flame-thrower, a troublemaker, even a "legal terrorist".

Banzhaf has no illusions about the fact that what he is doing is profoundly political, and, indeed, he is plotting out his war on obesity in political terms. "What we are seeing is a large number of groups that might not previously have had much in common, coming together – vegans, Muslims, Hindus, conservative Jews, scientists, physicians, animal-rights groups, children's rights groups, sports organizations, and so on," he said. "Once they start joining forces, lawyers are going to smell the money, and legal action will gain its own momentum."

It could take years, or even, like the tobacco campaign, several decades. But Banzhaf is perfectly lucid about what he can and can't achieve: "Are suits possible? Yuh. Are some already successful? Yuh. Can we predict which ones will go and which ones will not? No we can't," he says. "But we'll soon find out."

© 2002 lndependent Digital (UK) Ltd

[archive_Ulter]

John Banzhaf would have made Mr Nobody's arguement a very good one. He's self-promoting legal dick who was expecting to make big bucks off the Super Size Me band wagon and started suing all the fast fooders a couple years ago. But it didn't work. His case was tossed...


In January, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Sweet dismissed a Banzhaf lawsuit against McDonald's, which had alleged the company's food made kids obese.

"If a person knows or should know that eating copious orders of super-sized McDonalds' products is unhealthy and may result in weight gain," Judge Sweet ruled, "it is not the place of the law to protect them from their own excesses."

Don't underestimate the judicial systems ability to cleanse itself of this type of law suit.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[PQ]

Yay for the judicial system on that one!

But I swear, this sh*t gets so old don't you think? Everyone is always looking for someone else to blame. It's easier to point the finger than &lt;gasp, heaven forbid&gt; haul their fat azz to the gym!

Bottom line...most people are sheep. The lawsuits aren't about their health, it's about money. If these folks were health conscious, they wouldn't have drowned themselves in McD's grease and "special sauce" to begin with.

Hmmm now do I want fries with my double cheeseburger or a shake? KIDDING! http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Billy_Bathgate]

Oddly enough, on my campus, there is a couple small food courts and a subway. If you want to goto McD's where would you?

....the hospital of course (its connected with our campus)

[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate:
...If you want to goto McD's where would you?

....the hospital of course (its connected with our campus)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Every McDonald's should have a health clinic attached to it building-wise...now who would benefit more...the clinic or McD's? hmmm...LMAO

"I feel that an individual knows their body the best. If you KNOW one of my suggestions do not work for you, do not hesitate to drop that idea from your repetoire. Never blindly follow the herd." PA 2001

[Stud Diesel]

What is more interesting than this movie is the current issue of Time magazine on obesity.

The most interesting statistic that I found is; poor people are fatter than non-poor people. The argument in Time seems to be that it’s easier and cheaper to eat bad food. I agree with this, BUT, how about this? And of course Time didn’t mention this—this is my own opinion. It’s hard to eat healthy. This is true. You really have to scrutinize everything. I can vouch for this first hand. So if you agree that it is hard to eat healthy, and if you believe that poor people are poor because they are generally lazier than non-poor people—well there you go. It still falls back on personal responsibility. Anybody disagree?

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I am now benevolent anarchist on elite fitness.