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Monster
04-03-2004, 02:23 PM
Can the Rights of People Simply Disappear by Presidential Order?

What does it mean when the President of the United States can on his own designate a United States citizen in the United States as an “enemy combatant,” and order the military to hold that person incommunicado, indefinitely, and without charges? The U.S. Supreme Court is now deciding whether the courts even have the right to question the President’s action.

What does it mean when the U.S. military internationally can literally snatch people off the street, designate them as “enemy combatants,” and assert that they are beyond the reach of either U.S. or international law? Many are transported to a facility under total U.S. control and funded by Congressional appropriations, where they are held incommunicado, indefinitely, without charges.

If the Supreme Court upholds these actions, it will give the President virtually unlimited authority to grant himself “wartime powers” without formal declaration of war by the Congress, and with no or extremely limited oversight by the courts or the Congress.

On April 20 the U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on the President’s alleged right to create a “law free zone” at the Guantanamo detention center in Cuba. And on April 28, the Court will hear oral arguments on the President’s claimed right to designate citizens as “enemy combatants,” hold them at the U.S. Navy base in Charleston, SC, and deny them the ability to challenge the lawfulness of their detention.

Speak up now while you can. Dont let this become another extension of the Patriot Act II.
Yes, there was a second Patriot Act passed. It was passed without public hearings or floor debates in the House. They did this by attaching a broad definition of "financial institution" to an Intelligence Authorization Act. This makes the issue one of national security and does therefore not need to be disclosed to American citizens or discussed in the House/Congress.
If these new executive powers are necessary to protect United States citizens, then why would the legislation not withstand the test of public debate?

I wonder if theyll be remaking all those School House Rock cartoons to reflect how we basically have no freedoms left? Like the "Im Just A Bill" one, and they wont have to have him wait on the steps. He's just snuck into the back door and made a law without anyones knowledge... hmm, interesting. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VOX - DEI
04-03-2004, 11:33 PM
Presidents of the past have been very good people, they have in reality have had just as much power as your average Arab dictator, we have been lucky so far in that it has not come to pass until now, we have yet to see the true nature of the **** regime.

Revolution is no longer an option, when guns are banned and the FBI is 5 million strong while the Armed forces employ less than a million, I can hear a draft coming.

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archive_Ulter
04-04-2004, 09:36 AM
I'd have to write YOUR congress person mine are Bush employees.
It will be interesting to see if the SC will actually give away it's own powers. I just can't imagine them doing that. Are there 9 bigger egos in the world?

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

Monster
04-04-2004, 02:35 PM
As a little known side note... as of 1973 (I could be off on the date by a couple of years either way) in a bill signed by Jimmy Carter and made law thereafter, if the President were to declare a national state of emergency the rights and powers of Congress and the House are made void, and all of their power is transferred to the Director of F.E.M.A.
At that point the entire country is run by the president and the director of FEMA and the Constitution is considered "suspended" due to national crisis.

Some people may think this is just a conspiracy theory, but Oliver North said in his testimony before the Grand Jury that the next step of their plan was to declare a state of national emergency using the "war on drugs" as the cause. The entire scenario was already laid out.

You can actually look at congressional records and look up the bill as it is entered into the record as law. Its not hidden away or secreted off in some dark corner, its a matter of public record.

It details instituting a police state and having everyone 18 and older register with ID at the post office and verifying address.

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It will be interesting to see if the SC will actually give away it's own powers. I just can't imagine them doing that. Are there 9 bigger egos in the world?
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True, but look at who appointed each of the justices:

Rehnquist - Reagan

O'Connor - Reagan

Scalia - Reagan

Kennedy - Reagan

Souter - Bush

Thomas - Bush

Stevens - Ford

Ginsberg - Clinton

Breyer - Clinton

Not to get into partisan politics, but the apple seldom falls far from the tree, and if it comes down to playing ball with the party, we've got a majority of justices oweing a lot to the Reagan/Bush/Bush regime. And who knows what dirty business goes on behind the scenes anyway...

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