my summer bulking cycle

[mr sinister]

im 4 weeks in to my summer bulker
sus 250 eod weeks 1-12
tren a 400mg per week weeks 8-14
dbol or napp 50s 50mg ed weeks 10-14
im running letro 2.5mg eod through the cycle,now im unsure about my pct-i like anthony roberts pct and have used it before but have also had this recomended to me-clomid 300mg ed for 8 days-200mg ed for 10 days and 100mg ed for 10 days
your opinions will be greatly appreciated

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[Ulter]

You've come to right place. Anthony learned how to cycle on this board (search "Hooker" to see his old posts). He's messed up ever since.

I would run that sust 14 weeks and let that self taper you off. You'll want the extra couple weeks it gives you on test only since you'll be coming off of Tren in week 14.

I suggest 1000iu/day of HCG for 5 days in week 16 and then in week 17 start 50mg/day of clomid. You do not need to frontload clomid.

[mr sinister]

Originally Posted by Ulter

You've come to right place. Anthony learned how to cycle on this board (search "Hooker" to see his old posts). He's messed up ever since.

I would run that sust 14 weeks and let that self taper you off. You'll want the extra couple weeks it gives you on test only since you'll be coming off of Tren in week 14.

I suggest 1000iu/day of HCG for 5 days in week 16 and then in week 17 start 50mg/day of clomid. You do not need to frontload clomid.

yeah a-rob has written some real good info..so just to clarify,i should run the sus for 14 weeks also and then taper down until i hit week 16 where i will then have 5 hcg shots spread throughout the week,at the start of week 17 use clomid at 50mg ed..how long should the clomid be used for ?

[Ulter]

No, sust is self tapering. If you run it to 14 and then stop it will taper itself.
The rest is right, clomid for 2 weeks. Keep your AI going. Next time try AIFM.

A-Rob gets a lot wrong too.

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

[solidspine]

You can certainly recover with Clomid,


I prefer HCG at 1000iu’s per day for 5 days and AIFM


You can also run the tren ace for the entire cycle.

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

[mr sinister]

Originally Posted by Ulter

No, sust is self tapering. If you run it to 14 and then stop it will taper itself.
The rest is right, clomid for 2 weeks. Keep your AI going. Next time try AIFM.

A-Rob gets a lot wrong too.

keep the A I going at the same 2.5mg dose the whole cycle and pct cycle rite up to the very end ?
thanks for the help so far

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[Ulter]

Right. Your AI will help you get your test levels back up as you do your PCT.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[drrman]

why you running the dball weeks 10-14 and not at the beginning?

[Ulter]

My answer would be because the cycle is going to stall by then and it'll get it going again for another month.

[drrman]

Originally Posted by Ulter

My answer would be because the cycle is going to stall by then and it'll get it going again for another month.

to each their own i suppose, i haven't truly "cycled" in years, always been on something so i seem in a constant state of "stall" almost....lol

i personally would move it to the beginning but thats just me

[ricorico]

wow, 300mgs clomid would be WAAAAYYYY overkill. even 100 is alot. 50 will suffice

[KKAZ]

Is it correct to start taking clomid as closely as you can calculate, to the time when all the AAS are out of your system? Or a little earlier?

[Ulter]

You actually have plenty of time once your cycle AS levels fade out. You can be off as much as two weeks and still turn out a good PCT. But you don't want to do that. Two weeks after his last shot of sust he'll still have some being cleaved. So he'll still have some low blood levels of Test. But the levels will be low enough to start the Clomid. He could even wait 4 if his doses were much higher.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[mr sinister]

Originally Posted by Ulter

My answer would be because the cycle is going to stall by then and it'll get it going again for another month.

the answer above is spot on..thanks for your help

[ChuckLee]

HAHAH it's funny how much Arobs is bad seen in this board...but who cares.
I'd personally leave the HCG bro, or use it only in case of testicle shrinkage.
I'd preferably go with a SERM (Nolva, Clomid) frontloade