Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mom, Charges Maybe To Be Filed?

Kabeetz · 04-02-2008, 05:15 PM

Am I missing something? Even if the boy was a 35 year old man... all he did was defend the life of another?

They should give him the key to the city.

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Md. Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mother

Md. Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mother
Officials Undecided On Filing Charges

By Avis Thomas-Lester and Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 2, 2008; A01

The 12-year-old boy had finished his homework and was playing a video game when he heard his mother cry out. Rushing to her aid, he found her on the kitchen floor, straddled by a fellow resident of their Prince George's County boarding house, the man's hands wrapped tightly around her neck, the boy said yesterday.

"I kept saying, 'Stop! Stop! Stop!' " the boy said, describing the events of Monday night. "But he just ignored me. He didn't stop. He just kept hurting her."

The boy said he grabbed a knife and swung, slashing 64-year-old Salomon Noubissie across the neck and opening an artery. Noubissie was fatally wounded.

The mother, Cheryl Stamp, said she did not immediately understand what had happened. "What did you do?" she said she asked her son.

"He didn't say anything," she said. "But I knew when I looked in his eyes. I said, 'Oh, Lord.' "

Law enforcement officials were reviewing evidence yesterday and had not decided whether to file charges. Their preliminary account of the incident broadly matches that of the boy and his mother.

The case presents exceedingly unusual circumstances: Rarely is a 12-year-old implicated in a homicide, and even less often does a child that age take a life to protect his mother.

"In Maryland, there can be a legitimate defense of third parties in the event of a violent attack," State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said. "That is a possibility in this case."

Yesterday, Stamp and her son were secluded in the boarding house on Roosevelt Avenue in the Landover area, curtains closed and doors locked against reporters and neighbors.

Like other neighbors, Turan Queen said she stood by the child. "His reaction was to help his mother," she said. "This was a 12-year-old defending his mother."

Stamp and her son agreed to be interviewed by Washington Post reporters, in part to explain the boy's actions. The Post is not naming the boy because he is a minor.

Efforts to contact Noubissie's family were unsuccessful.

Stamp said she and Noubissie, a Cameroonian immigrant, moved into the boarding house within days of each other about three months ago. They became fast friends, she said.

Stamp said that she is unemployed and that Noubissie had told her he was studying to be a psychiatrist. She said the boarding house is owned by Noubissie's nephew, a Massachusetts resident.

On Monday night, she said, Noubissie was not himself. He started to yell at her and grab her hair, she said. He was speaking in his native French, as he often did, but this time in "a devilish voice," she said. "He was talking crazy," Stamp said.

She said she tried to use "reverse psychology," ordering him to leave the kitchen and go to his room to calm down. His response was violent, she said.

"He threw me into the door so hard it hit my back, and it made my chest start hurting," she said. "Then he threw me to the floor. He threw me down and started choking me. I think that's when my son came in. . . . He protected me."

The boy, who is 5 feet 6 inches tall and weighs 175 pounds, said he acted because he thought he had no choice. "He was hitting her with the broom; then he was choking her," the boy said. "I told him to stop."

He grabbed a knife that he said his family had last used to cut turkey at Thanksgiving dinner.

"I knew I had to kill him so he would stop hurting my mother," he said.

Once she was freed, Stamp said she yelled upstairs for someone to call police. She said her son took her by the arm and led her into their bedroom.

Nearby, Noubissie was flailing and yelling, Stamp and her son said. As the door closed, she noticed the blood coming from his neck. "I didn't know where all that blood was coming from," she said. "He was talking in that language -- loud."

Stamp said she did not realize for several moments that her son, and not she, had been responsible for inflicting the injury that caused Noubissie to release her.

In the bedroom, as they waited for police, the boy did not speak, Stamp said. She sat on a couch, looked down and saw the bloody knife, she said.

Noubissie was alive when police arrived, Stamp said. He was combative with the officers, she said, even as he bled heavily. He died at a hospital. Police sources confirmed her account.

Stamp, who has two adult children and a 17-year-old daughter who lives with the girl's father, said the tragedy was the second to befall her family. She supports herself and her son from "widow's benefits" she has received since her husband fatally shot himself more than 20 years ago. Her eldest son, 27, witnessed the suicide, she said. "I've had enough drama in my life," she said.

The 12-year-old boy said yesterday that he was not happy about what he had done but that he knew that it was the right thing.

"I just asked God again to protect me and my mother," he said. "I told God that I had stabbed him because he was killing my mother. I know he understands, and I think he will keep us safe now."

After the stabbing Monday night, after police had left and neighbors returned to their homes, the two sat and held each other. There was no sleep that night for either.

Tweak · 04-02-2008, 05:30 PM

I'm not convinced that the charges will stick for this kid.

1. He was defending his mother.
2. He's a minor.

MR.cashcream · 04-02-2008, 06:00 PM

175lbs for a 12yr old, he's a big boy.

hrpiii · 04-02-2008, 06:30 PM

luckily, he was playing a video game that encouraged violence. If it wasn't for the game, his mother could have been seriously hurt

I'm on the kids side. He protected his mother, who wouldn't!

BigJimCalhoun · 04-02-2008, 07:39 PM

I think charges should not be filed. Colorado has several laws allowing use of deadly force to defend one's self or a third party. There are some though that believe violence is never the answer, even to save your own life. In Colorado, those people live in the City of Boulder.

solidspine · 04-02-2008, 10:59 PM

The fact that charges are even considered is absurd.

Kabeetz · 04-02-2008, 11:14 PM

Exactly... imagine if it was one of us protecting a wife/mother/daughter... if they are considering it for a 12 year old... they'd be more inclined to press for someone of age. WTF

Caligula · 04-02-2008, 11:28 PM

It's a shame there is no common sense law in this country. I would have kicked the mother fucked in the head and then beat him to death if I had been there. I would go to jail for sure. Poor kid. Hopefully justice is served and they get to go about their lives without any more drama. And hopefully whoever is resonsible gets them some counseling that they don't have to pay for.

Hidngod · 04-03-2008, 12:14 AM

I'm betting charges aree only being considered pending the outcome of the investigation. That way all the i's are dotted & the t's are crossed, if it turns out something else happened. In any case, this way they can say every possibility was considered & the kid was exonerated based on evidence, not emotion.

Halfway · 04-03-2008, 12:21 AM

mom looked a bit battered in the pictures I saw, there's probably more like a crackpipe or stealing involved but whatever the cause the kid did the right thing protecting his mom from someone trying to kill her. He shouldn't be punished if it's what it seems..

Raina · 04-03-2008, 12:32 AM

My ex had restraining orders on himself at least once because he and his mom got into physical fights with their mom's boyfriend to stop him from beating her.

She'd just defend her bf.

Evidence · 04-03-2008, 06:21 AM

That's a lot for a 12 year old to have to deal with for the rest of his life. As he matures and gets older and making friends in college even, people love to tell stories and you go through some interesting times in your teenage years. I mean wow, what do you do, tell people once your mom was being attacked and you killed them? He's going to be the wrong kid to mess with. I hope counseling sessions keep him ok, I couldn't imagine if that was me and then having to move on after something like that.

Blut Wump · 04-03-2008, 07:14 AM

There's been a death so they must consider pressing charges since there should always be an adequate investigation after a death. Presumably, they will concur with the rest of us and not press charges.

The family seems to have picked up some bad karma somewhere.

DrewDog · 04-03-2008, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidngod

I'm betting charges aree only being considered pending the outcome of the investigation. That way all the i's are dotted & the t's are crossed, if it turns out something else happened. In any case, this way they can say every possibility was considered & the kid was exonerated based on evidence, not emotion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blut Wump

There's been a death so they must consider pressing charges since there should always be an adequate investigation after a death. Presumably, they will concur with the rest of us and not press charges.

The family seems to have picked up some bad karma somewhere.

+1

leaving open the chances for charges to be filed is simply a formality until the investigation is complete and they are sure it was simply the kid defending his mom.

Unless some different evidence is turned up, I seriously doubt there would actually be any charges laid.

bluetwistedsteel · 04-03-2008, 01:35 PM

just because charges are being considered doesn't mean they will be filed. You always have to "consider" charges when somebody gets their throat slit by somebody else. They'll look at the evidence and very likely conclude that it was an unavoidable act by a kid protecting his mother.
The kid was 12 and 175 lbs????? Was he running a gram of test per week? Dang that's a big kid!

Blut Wump · 04-03-2008, 01:40 PM

More likely a kilo of burgers ED than a gram of test EW.

trivial · 04-03-2008, 01:41 PM

No, they can't really persue charges, the public outcry would be too great.....

04-02-2008, 05:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kabeetz Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N.Y. Posts: 6,746 Rep Power: 205118	Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mom, Charges Maybe To Be Filed? Am I missing something? Even if the boy was a 35 year old man... all he did was defend the life of another? They should give him the key to the city. ---- Md. Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mother Md. Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mother Officials Undecided On Filing Charges By Avis Thomas-Lester and Hamil R. Harris Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, April 2, 2008; A01 The 12-year-old boy had finished his homework and was playing a video game when he heard his mother cry out. Rushing to her aid, he found her on the kitchen floor, straddled by a fellow resident of their Prince George's County boarding house, the man's hands wrapped tightly around her neck, the boy said yesterday. "I kept saying, 'Stop! Stop! Stop!' " the boy said, describing the events of Monday night. "But he just ignored me. He didn't stop. He just kept hurting her." The boy said he grabbed a knife and swung, slashing 64-year-old Salomon Noubissie across the neck and opening an artery. Noubissie was fatally wounded. The mother, Cheryl Stamp, said she did not immediately understand what had happened. "What did you do?" she said she asked her son. "He didn't say anything," she said. "But I knew when I looked in his eyes. I said, 'Oh, Lord.' " Law enforcement officials were reviewing evidence yesterday and had not decided whether to file charges. Their preliminary account of the incident broadly matches that of the boy and his mother. The case presents exceedingly unusual circumstances: Rarely is a 12-year-old implicated in a homicide, and even less often does a child that age take a life to protect his mother. "In Maryland, there can be a legitimate defense of third parties in the event of a violent attack," State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said. "That is a possibility in this case." Yesterday, Stamp and her son were secluded in the boarding house on Roosevelt Avenue in the Landover area, curtains closed and doors locked against reporters and neighbors. Like other neighbors, Turan Queen said she stood by the child. "His reaction was to help his mother," she said. "This was a 12-year-old defending his mother." Stamp and her son agreed to be interviewed by Washington Post reporters, in part to explain the boy's actions. The Post is not naming the boy because he is a minor. Efforts to contact Noubissie's family were unsuccessful. Stamp said she and Noubissie, a Cameroonian immigrant, moved into the boarding house within days of each other about three months ago. They became fast friends, she said. Stamp said that she is unemployed and that Noubissie had told her he was studying to be a psychiatrist. She said the boarding house is owned by Noubissie's nephew, a Massachusetts resident. On Monday night, she said, Noubissie was not himself. He started to yell at her and grab her hair, she said. He was speaking in his native French, as he often did, but this time in "a devilish voice," she said. "He was talking crazy," Stamp said. She said she tried to use "reverse psychology," ordering him to leave the kitchen and go to his room to calm down. His response was violent, she said. "He threw me into the door so hard it hit my back, and it made my chest start hurting," she said. "Then he threw me to the floor. He threw me down and started choking me. I think that's when my son came in. . . . He protected me." The boy, who is 5 feet 6 inches tall and weighs 175 pounds, said he acted because he thought he had no choice. "He was hitting her with the broom; then he was choking her," the boy said. "I told him to stop." He grabbed a knife that he said his family had last used to cut turkey at Thanksgiving dinner. "I knew I had to kill him so he would stop hurting my mother," he said. Once she was freed, Stamp said she yelled upstairs for someone to call police. She said her son took her by the arm and led her into their bedroom. Nearby, Noubissie was flailing and yelling, Stamp and her son said. As the door closed, she noticed the blood coming from his neck. "I didn't know where all that blood was coming from," she said. "He was talking in that language -- loud." Stamp said she did not realize for several moments that her son, and not she, had been responsible for inflicting the injury that caused Noubissie to release her. In the bedroom, as they waited for police, the boy did not speak, Stamp said. She sat on a couch, looked down and saw the bloody knife, she said. Noubissie was alive when police arrived, Stamp said. He was combative with the officers, she said, even as he bled heavily. He died at a hospital. Police sources confirmed her account. Stamp, who has two adult children and a 17-year-old daughter who lives with the girl's father, said the tragedy was the second to befall her family. She supports herself and her son from "widow's benefits" she has received since her husband fatally shot himself more than 20 years ago. Her eldest son, 27, witnessed the suicide, she said. "I've had enough drama in my life," she said. The 12-year-old boy said yesterday that he was not happy about what he had done but that he knew that it was the right thing. "I just asked God again to protect me and my mother," he said. "I told God that I had stabbed him because he was killing my mother. I know he understands, and I think he will keep us safe now." After the stabbing Monday night, after police had left and neighbors returned to their homes, the two sat and held each other. There was no sleep that night for either.

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Caligula Frankenbutt Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: The fastfood drive-thru Posts: 5,048 Rep Power: 32111	It's a shame there is no common sense law in this country. I would have kicked the mother fucked in the head and then beat him to death if I had been there. I would go to jail for sure. Poor kid. Hopefully justice is served and they get to go about their lives without any more drama. And hopefully whoever is resonsible gets them some counseling that they don't have to pay for. __________________ Curious "THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL YOU MAKES YOU STRONGER" "THE HARDER YOU WORK, THE HARDER IT IS TO SURRENDER" - Vince Lombardi "A COWARD HAS NO SCAR"

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Raina Rocket Surgeon Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,571 Rep Power: 170670	My ex had restraining orders on himself at least once because he and his mom got into physical fights with their mom's boyfriend to stop him from beating her. She'd just defend her bf. __________________ “Inward calm cannot be maintained unless physical strength is constantly and intelligently replenished.”

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hrpiii Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 728 Rep Power: 40486	luckily, he was playing a video game that encouraged violence. If it wasn't for the game, his mother could have been seriously hurt I'm on the kids side. He protected his mother, who wouldn't!

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BigJimCalhoun Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,313 Rep Power: 12885	I think charges should not be filed. Colorado has several laws allowing use of deadly force to defend one's self or a third party. There are some though that believe violence is never the answer, even to save your own life. In Colorado, those people live in the City of Boulder.

04-02-2008, 10:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
solidspine Retired Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,622 Rep Power: 0	The fact that charges are even considered is absurd.

04-02-2008, 11:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kabeetz Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N.Y. Posts: 6,746 Rep Power: 205118	Exactly... imagine if it was one of us protecting a wife/mother/daughter... if they are considering it for a 12 year old... they'd be more inclined to press for someone of age. WTF

04-03-2008, 12:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Halfway Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 90292 Posts: 718 Rep Power: 37450	mom looked a bit battered in the pictures I saw, there's probably more like a crackpipe or stealing involved but whatever the cause the kid did the right thing protecting his mom from someone trying to kill her. He shouldn't be punished if it's what it seems..

04-03-2008, 06:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Evidence Америка взяла мое золото Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 68595	That's a lot for a 12 year old to have to deal with for the rest of his life. As he matures and gets older and making friends in college even, people love to tell stories and you go through some interesting times in your teenage years. I mean wow, what do you do, tell people once your mom was being attacked and you killed them? He's going to be the wrong kid to mess with. I hope counseling sessions keep him ok, I couldn't imagine if that was me and then having to move on after something like that.

04-03-2008, 07:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
Blut Wump The Venerable Wump Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 7,157 Rep Power: 283114	There's been a death so they must consider pressing charges since there should always be an adequate investigation after a death. Presumably, they will concur with the rest of us and not press charges. The family seems to have picked up some bad karma somewhere.

04-03-2008, 01:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
bluetwistedsteel Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 712 Rep Power: 72353	just because charges are being considered doesn't mean they will be filed. You always have to "consider" charges when somebody gets their throat slit by somebody else. They'll look at the evidence and very likely conclude that it was an unavoidable act by a kid protecting his mother. The kid was 12 and 175 lbs????? Was he running a gram of test per week? Dang that's a big kid!

04-03-2008, 01:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blut Wump The Venerable Wump Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 7,157 Rep Power: 283114	More likely a kilo of burgers ED than a gram of test EW.

04-03-2008, 01:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
trivial heart like a maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 4,870 Rep Power: 269997	No, they can't really persue charges, the public outcry would be too great..... __________________ Funny bodybuilding tees, tanks and hoodies at www.wittystees.com Triv's Photo Album