AAAAARRRRRRGGGGG My shoulders keep pooping out of socket!!

[archive_Flash]

OK, This is really depressing. I am getting ready to start my first ever bulking cycle. This week I was taking it easy, getting an idea of what wieghts I'd be starting off with on some new excercises and rep ranges. I did back and abs on teusday with no problems, although I came up quite short of my 150 reps assigned for pull-ups. Today was shoulders,tris and forearms. Well I go to warm-up on behind the neck military press and on my second warm-up set my left shoulder just rolls right out of socket. the pain shoots through meand I spasm, half thowing the bar off me and in the same motion trying to sling my arm back in socket.....motherf@#$er.... I am supposed to be doing Bjaarki's super triples he wrote out for me. That means I'm supersetting military presses/bent-over laterals/front bar raises. So being the tough ass I am I grab a pair of 20's to warm-up bent laterals. I pull the wieghts up to parrallel and my right shoulder rolls out /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifWTF!!!WTF!!! My arm spasms and releases the wieght. the dumbell gets tossed about 5 feet.

NOW I'M FUKKENMAD

I did finish my workout by the way. I used a hammer strength military press(shoulders started to come out toward the end of my last sets) then front raises, and reverse cable extensions.

I am just fine doing dumbell presses. I have no problem doing reverse cable crossovers (for rear delts). I have seperated my right shoulder before, and it comes out relatively easily now.

Do I need to strengthen supporting muscles? Could it be a genetic anomoly (read defect)?

Any advice would be helpfull. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Hold a match to my ass cause I'm BLOWIN UP!!

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

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behind the neck military press <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

without a descript scientific dissertation like Killer could do /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, I will only suggest for you to stay way from behind the neck anything......do them to the front.

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Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

[archive_Killer]

Hey now, be nice. What can I say, I don't feel like doing work at 5:30 AM so I procrastinate by long posts!

Have you ever dislocated/subluxed the shoulder before this episode (Is that what you meant when you say seperated)? Are your shoulders and/or other joints naturally loose (lax)? Once you dislocate, chances are you will do it again and again, further loosening the shoulder joint capsule.

You will want to avoid behind the necks, as Mr Nobody says. Shoulder external rotation and abduction (such as BTN press) is the mechanism for anterior shoulder dislocation, which is the most common shoulder dislocation.

What can you do? Undergo a full rotator cuff strengthening program, including work for the scapulae retractors (rhomboids/mid trap). Be extremely careful in stretching the shoulders/chest, avoid the dislocation position. I have posted rotator programs here before.

Now, you may be able to strengthen the cuff enough for your needs. But, many times someone will still experience dislocations (I have had many athletes full out of socket all day long and night). Then, surgery is the only option. The orthos use to do some major cutting to tighten everything, but in the past several years they started using a device that heats up the joint capsule, shrinking it without cutting the capsule and surrounding structures. This cuts down on swelling and down time significantly.

Hope this helps. Good luck and fill free to ask any questions. I def have the time

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

it was meant as a compliment Killer.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

[archive_Flash]

Thanks Killer. I couldnt sleep last nightbecause of the pain/ and anxiety. It sucked. Now my shoulders are swollen and smooth. No bueno...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Have you ever dislocated/subluxed the shoulder before this episode (Is that what you meant when you say seperated)? Are your shoulders and/or other joints naturally loose (lax)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stretched my right coracoaromial or acromioclavicular ligament about 5-7mm 2 years ago. I cant remember which one. My left shoulder problems are pretty new. I hurt that shoulder about 8 weeks ago In a bike crash.

I'm on the search after I post this to Find your cuff-strengthening routine.

One strange thing I forgot to post ws that my shoulders are much more stable when my elbows are slightly anterior to natural. Although I guess you guys assumed that when sayin NO BEHIND THE NECKS! LOL.

Thanks for the help.

Hold a match to my ass cause I'm BLOWIN UP!!

[archive_Killer]

I know Mr Nobody, I was just kidding too!

Flash,

Basically you are going to want to work internal rotator, ext rotators, and supraspinatus, along with rhomboids.

If just trying to rehab, intially you can perform these with lighter weights, say 3 x 15. Try ED or EOD. Then you can progress to heavier weights (well, heavy for the cuff that is) 2 times week, say 3 x 8-12. I usually do my ext cuff like this, before my off day. Start light. The cuff, is weak. Be careful with ext rotation. Only do the ext rotation with arm down, elbow against body, elevated slightly with a towel to prevent "wringing out" (tissue death) to the suprapspinatus. Do not do the one elevated to the side, cuz obviously this is the dislocation position.

A good additional way to work rhomboids is when you fail on rows, just keep arms straight and shrug straight back (not towards ears). You could do this after every set of rows. This will hit those rhomboids, plus give you additional mass in the mid to upper back area.

If you can't find my post, I will gladly post exercise descriptions again. Also, www.testosterone.net (http://www.testosterone.net) has some descriptions with pictures, which can be helpful. If you are looking for a basic book that has pics, there is one by Health for Life entitled "5 minute rotator cuff solution" or something of the sort.

Good luck

Actually, I not sure I ever posted exercises on the Board. It may have been on private e-mail. I'll search too

[archive_Killer]

Check this out.

Topic: Recovering for shoulder injury

[archive_Flash]

That thread was great. I'll try to rehab it and If its not better by this summer, then I'll talk to my ortho about shrinking the joint capsule.


How do you feel about Glucosamine or deca to help with the healing/strengthening process?

Thanks Killer. I feel much better now that I'm not so in the dark about my situation.

Hold a match to my ass cause I'm BLOWIN UP!!

[archive_Killer]

Lots of people like deca to help with injuries, I really don't have any exp with it, as it is not something commonly used or talked about. I remember one time I mentioned it to my head trainer in undergrad (it was the healing cocktail proposed by DiPasquale) and he freaked out.

Glucosamine/chondrosin formulas are actually taken to aid in hyline cartlidge problems (the cartlidge that covers the bone). But when taken for up to three months, the combo will have an NSAID like effect. One study I saw demonstrated that the combo helped alleviate pain more than a standard NSAID (maybe alieve?).

Good luck, and don't hesitate with any questions