fukkenfatsmoothnlazy

[Fukkenshredded]

Well well well. It sure is funny how it creeps up on me sometimes. I have one of those bodies that looks sorta detailed even when I get a little extra fatness here and there. Which it looks like I have. After that bodyfat post by mister I'mlosingfatatwill I decided to get out the calipers and face the hideous truth. Holy shit in a microwave. But ok, here's what we're gonna do. Lots of you have asked about how to get down to shredded beef for the summer, and it looks like lots of you are where I am right now, which is (drumroll......) eight percent. Yep. One eighty five and eight percent or so. Christmas, Easter, and (not laziness! NO NOOOO!!) yes, in the end, laziness, have caused me to get smooth. Now, the fina for the last four weeks has kept my abs visible, which could be why I have allowed myself to be fooled in front of the mirror. But for me, eight percent is fat as fuck and totally unacceptable. SO I am gonna walk you people through my day to day workout and diet, starting right now. BTW, I will be at five percent and one seventy three within four weeks, guaranfukkenteed. Get on board, strap yourselves in, and hold on. This morning:

6:00 am Walked up and down the hill I live on, one mile each way. Then had a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast, (two of those envelopes) 200 calories, plus a myoplex, 300 calories.

10:00 am Went to the gym, hit the sauna at 210 degrees for half an hour before hitting windprints on the treadmill. The treads go to twelve (5 minute mile) and I did a warmup mile at seven minutes, followed by ten one minute sprints at twelve, with two minute walking intervals at 4.
Back into the sauna at 210 for thirty minutes, then did pull-ups and dips, two sets of thirty each. On the second set of pull-ups I had to take a break at twenty one and finish the nine in a third mini set.

I entered the gym at a bodyweight of one eighty six and left at one eighty. Drank a ton of water.

I will continue this post in a moment.

[Kakarrot]

So you gainned 16 lbs from your original picture, that's awsome. 186 lbs at 8% is not bad, actually good. I really doubt you should have much trouble reaching under 6% in four weeks. You only have to loose a little less than 6 lbs of fat to be 5% (8%-3% is 5%, 3% of 186 is 5.58 lbs). 1.5 lbs a week, should be a brezze for you and that trainning, a little dicipline and presto.

[W8's]

agreed but i am gonna enjoy your workout log. Thanks bro.

btw i was lmao at 8% fat as fuck comment.

most of us are over 10 most of the year except when gettting ready for shows.

In fact i started my contest prep this morning.

[harddtime]

fs, my gym doesn't have a sauna, a steam room won't do the job right?


- harddtime

[Decaman]

O baby, i am at 7.5 heh heh, you best get back to 5 before i start razzing you.

http://216.85.237.147/dman/dman.jpg

DECA- IT'S WHATS FOR DINNER!

[Fukkenshredded]

Took two Xenadrines with a liter of green tea just now. It's 2:52 pm here. I will have a subway sandwich (double turkey, no cheese, cucumbers, lettuce, jalepenos on country wheat, 6 inch)in about five minutes, when I leave this Kinkos, and that will be the last of the carbs for the day. Tonight's workout will be driven by irritation, and I expect it to be fairly cardio intense. I am gearing up for a set of sprints followed by one hundred hacks and one hundred lateral raises, followed by another set of sprints. I'll give the particulars tomorrow morning. I am currently in the fourth week of about 100mg/ED fina, which I will continue for about three weeks. After that, I am hoping to have found some white gold in order to polish the look. So far the vault is empty. Oh yeah, I will start up on about 3-5 grams of GHB nightly this week. This is not a recommendation, just a note for those who are interested. Also, I am hitting the ALA heavy, which is to say, about 2-3 grams daily. I am going to keep all my carbs in the early part of the days, except on Saturdays, which role has yet to be ascertained in this undertaking. Onward.

[archive_Ulter]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I am gearing up for a set of sprints followed by one hundred hacks and one hundred lateral raises, followed by another set of sprints. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just finished training. I'm a wuss.

[Shredded]

your already cheating . who needs cardio /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . i will enjoy reading this. now do i feel a little competition coming on ? i'm currently awaiting my white gold.

[Kakarrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shredded:
your already cheating . who needs cardio /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . i will enjoy reading this. now do i feel a little competition coming on ? i'm currently awaiting my white gold.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


and the T3/Clen combo is actually fair? I'm guessing it takes all the fun away of fatburning. I'll stick with xenedrine/nyc some herbals and a little dicipline /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

This is going to be an enjoyable thread to read. FS takes some insane methods to burn fat and I have to say I always learn something new. Loosing all common since is sometimes the best thing to do when it comes to burning fat in a hurry.

[Fukkenshredded]

Last night at the gym I pushed myself an extra notch on that treadmill. Started with five sprints of sizty seconds with sixty second intervals (after the warm-up mile @ 7 min) and took a breather. Went to the hack squat and squeezed out 100 reps (without any weight), but I had to take several pauses in that set. From there, lateral raises with 20lb dumbells, 100 reps, lots of pauses. Then a set of hanging knee raises with a few pull-ups thrown in just because I was pissed. Now then, back up to the treadmill and here we go with this mile again. Only this time I hit minute eight, the minute right after the mile, on level 12, for ninety seconds. Then down to 3.5 for a full three minutes and still I wasn't nearly recovered, the heart rate indicator (don't know if those are accurate) indicated that I was humming at one sixty bpm still 3 minutes after that. So what. I jacked it up to twelve and hit a two and a half minute sprint. You think I saw spots? Hell, I thought I was a woman in the eighteen hundreds at a ballroom party. BPM said 199 and stayed there for about thirty seconds after, slowed to 160 where it remained for another minute or so before finally settling back to 130-ish, where I walked it off for ten minutes. Hit the sauna, which was tepid (180 and I HATE that) and showered and crashed, ate nothing. I woke up in the night and sneaked an oreo. No shit. This morning, I hit a mile at sub seven and did bench press, which I have ignored for most of the month. I was weak. Did what I could, which is to say a warm-up set and four sets to failure with a kid who couldn't spot a volcano from five feet, then a drop set. Hit five sixty second sprints at twelve with thirty second rests, sauna, and then, what did I do? DRANK A COKE RIGHT THERE AT THE DAMN GYM. I walked out of there at 179, but that was after the sauna. I'll keep you posted.

[archive_Ulter]

Ahem, ah, I understand that genius needs some room, you have to allow a certain amount of leeway when great minds are at work. Your ah, diet, it's oreo's and coke?

[Fukkenshredded]

Yep. I'm gonna punish myself tonight for that silliness. I get real nervous when I don't get any sugar, not to mention the fact that I convert all of my stress to hunger to begin with. I did ok with this afternoon's lunch, other than the coke. I hit one of those rotisseries from Albertson's and right this instant I have a half finished Myoplex pro with me. The reason that it is half finished is because like a dumbass I inadvertently picked up the vanilla flavor, which tastes roughly like power steering fluid. I'm hungry as holy hell, but also bloated. Moreover, I ignored my taurine supplementation for the past two days and I'm cramping in my JAW when I go to chew food. Or oreos. It just occurred to me that I get scattered when I get focused. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shredded]

don't worry about the oreo this past wkend {i eat bad on wkends} i ate a whole box of suzy-QS and lord only knows how many peanut butter eggs. still got the striated serratus /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

[W8&amp;apos;s]

hey fukken, why dont' you just pre cook all your meals for the week ahead of time and bring em with ya
thats what i do

i cook about 8lb of chicken and 8lb of lean steak up on sunday with a bunch of sweet potatoes and rice. that way you eat clean no matter where you are. i roughtly eat a lb of eat mean a day.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

also please eat after your workout EVERY time.

Very important as i'm sure you already know


good thread brother.

BTW i just ordered my dumbell handles for to do those 1/2 mile walks with 50's per hand. thanks for that help.

[Kakarrot]

My GOD, coke and oreos on your first day!! what dicipline!! lol. Actually you will keep burning fat even if you eat one oreo a day, aslong as you are burning more calories than you consume that oreo won't do much. What really helps if you can't control your urges is sugar free yellow, make two packets, 0 carbs and less than 100 calories in the two bowls, taste great too. But what do I know, I consider sweets potato a fun filled dessert.

[Decaman]

Yeah thats basically been my snack in the afternoon, a sweet potato, its amazing how good one of those can taste after eating nothing else with any flavor all day.

http://216.85.237.147/dman/dman.jpg

DECA- IT'S WHATS FOR DINNER!

[Fukkenshredded]

Eight o'clock last night I walk into the sauna and crack a sweat. Up to the tradmill, where I hit a slow mile (7:30)and come out of it straight to level 10 up to ten minutes (2:30 sprint at 10). I walk at 3.5 for five minutes and start my sprints at 12, sixty seconds each and sixty seconds apart. Four sprints into it I get real, REAL fatigued in the legs. So I try to finish with a two minute sprint on 12 and I crap out with 20 seconds left. I swear I nearly faceplanted on the treadmill. I puked on the way to the locker room and whined like a pussy to Isabella. She was worried when my heartrate hit 200bpm, but I assured her that it was ok. In the sauna I got delerious and couldn't stop giggling. Everything seemed distant and somehow hilarious to me. After about ten minutes my calves cramped up so badly I could barely walk. I hit a recovery drink and about half a gallon of water. Felt sick for an hour even after eating, which was strips of chicken and a myoplex. This morning I could barely move. But the scale said 178. I am going to the gym right now, where I will just lift today. I can already give you the workout. 200 squats in sets of 40 with 135, and 200 dips, followed by 200 inclined sit ups. Easy. Talk with you folks tonight!

[W8&amp;apos;s]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kakarrot:
What really helps if you can't control your urges is sugar free yellow, make two packets, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what exactly is sugar free yellow
hehehehehe


i eat that stuff to... i am really mad because i am on a contest diet and i bought 10 boxes of sugar free fat free pudding right. well i didnt read the box and it appears you gotta add two cups of milk to it. DAMMIT. I CAN'T EAT THAT. UHGGG
15 WEEKS TO GO.

[freshr1]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fukkenshredded:
Last night at the gym I pushed myself an extra notch ...[snip] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I lost 2% bf just reading your post. Holy Hell, I'd be crying for mommy if I attempted 10% of that "workout". Thanks for making me feel like a girly man /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Kakarrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by W8's:
Quote: "Originally posted by Kakarrot:
What really helps if you can't control your urges is sugar free yellow, make two packets, "


what exactly is sugar free yellow
hehehehehe


i eat that stuff to... i am really mad because i am on a contest diet and i bought 10 boxes of sugar free fat free pudding right. well i didnt read the box and it appears you gotta add two cups of milk to it. DAMMIT. I CAN'T EAT THAT. UHGGG
15 WEEKS TO GO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL, I did the samething with pudding three weeks ago, I bought the vanilla and chocolate flavors fat free sugar free but forgot to read the box right. I was like awsome this stuff looks delicious then read the back and it said add milk, DAMM. I added water instead and let me tell you it didn't turn out as planned. I even try to salvage it with 1 tb of whip cream which only has 1grm of carbs. At glance it look like a delicious dessert, I really should of just look at it because as soon as I tasted it I thru it all out. I'll stick with sweet potatoes and sugar free yellow for my sweet tooth, YUMMM /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[W8&amp;apos;s]

hahahahhaa

i'll agree with you on that. i was considering the water thing instead of milk to bro. sucks huh.

i only got two packs of jello left. uhgg

[archive_Caligula]

Try this:

Buy one box of jello and one tub of sugar free cool whip. Mix the two together and spoon it into a fat-free pie crust. Makes a pretty good dessert.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Fukkenshredded]

The workout this morning was not too terrible, and was just exactly what I predicted. The three sets and out. Plus sauna. Now I have noticed a preoccupation with certain dietary aspects here on this thread. How to take care of the sweet tooth and such. I'll tell you that I had two cokes today, and the rest was clean. Specifically, two myoplexes (myopli?)and a subway sandwich as described yesterday. With the second myoplex I had two metamucil cinnamon wafers, which for me are mandatory when I hit too many of those shakes. Anyway, let me point something out here. I understand the importance of abstaining from the refined sugars and sodas and cookies and all that. Believe me, I do. But let's take today for an example. Two cokes, right smack in the afternoon, back to back. Cans. That's roughly 300 calories of pure sugar. Not to mention the carbonation. Ok, I washed down about a gram of ALA with the first (along with that sandwich), so there is a mild suspension of the badness. But guess what? I'll knock that shit out of the park in eight minutes flat, before I even crack a sweat. After that, I'll be at a consumed 1500 calories of not bad stuff. That's BEFORE the sprinting even begins. Moreover, it has been four hours since I have had ANYTHING AT ALL. So what am I saying? For me, the psychology of allowance (within reason) during the day can actually serve as an impetus for the second workout. Additionally, I'm not nearly the asshole I would be without that coke or cookie. Bottom line, I won't eat what I can't shed that very same day, and then some. Intensity is the key. Its a system of checks and balances. I wrote a two coke check this afternoon, I'll cash it tonight, here in about half an hour. Then, I'll deposit about six windsprints into the account, along with a few lifts (yet to be decided). After that, I'll take in fifty grams of protien and 3 grams CLA. Then, nothing. Well, maybe xanax, depending on how amped I am. (Can't WAIT for that G!!) Folks, I ain't sayin' my way is the only way. What I am saying is that nothing replaces intensity. I know, you're gonna say intensity in and out of the gym, and I agree. But for me, I find that if the occasional dietary lapse is affecting my appearance, it is because I have lost my focus in the gym. This is what happened last month. That fina did the work for me (so I thought) as far as holding muscularity and such, but no drug will do ALL the work. I can tell by how whipped I am at night that I had lagged. Incidentally, I have some personal goals here other than appearance. For whatever reason, the fact that these treads go to twelve is like a looming challenge to me to finish a mile in five minutes. For me, that is gonna be tough. Especially carrying muscle. But guess what? Youbetcherassiwill.

[Isabella]

....Now this should be interesting..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Kakarrot]

Yes, I will also have to agree that if you eat Oreos and burn the calories off the same day and even burn more on top of that you will keep lowering fat, simple burn more calories than you consume and you will burn fat.

Now there is a huge advantage for guys who don't compete and want to shred fat insanely fast as oppose to competitors....

I think it's a hell of a lot easier to burn off body fat if you are not a competitor. Competitors must see hell with their dieting due the fact that they have to come in at a set weight and loosing too much size is not a luxury they can take, ect. This is why they usually take 16-12 weeks out to cut, this prevents too much muscle loss. Contest prep has to be like walking a tight rope. Thank God I don't compete.

IMO the guys who don't compete and wish to be 6% or under have a HUGE upper hand. First we don't have to worry about coming in at a certain weight, which takes a huge load pressure off. We can loose muscle mass and still not worry because there are always more cycles and muscle memory is a miracle. Nobody is judging you. At the beach nobody will notice how much size you lost, no competitors are standing beside you so who cares. Ripped is ripped and that is what most people notice, girls love it, you see girls gawking with no shame. I actually get complimented by girls that I have bigger muscles when I'm ripped but weigh less, as oppose to hearing "you are loosing muscles" when I'm not ripped, this happens to everyone.

Also the beauty of not being a competitor and getting ripped is that you can try out the craziest dieting and techniques without much consequence. THIS IS WHEN GENIUS ARISES!!. You start making up the craziest dieting and techniques, which works great for rapid fat loss. You can loose tons of fat in one week but don't expect to look as full or as big as when you start it. This is why gear is so valuable. I wouldn't dream of doing the type of dieting I do off a cycle, simply because it would lead to catastrophic consequences.

When "on" I try the craziest shit, I have even gone as low as 1k calories for a couple of days, then up to 2.5k and then down to 1k for another 2 days. I find this is the best dieting for me to get shredded in a hurry, even with no cardio and Oreos on the weekeds I still look more shredded. If I mention this to my friends and they cry “NO, YOU WILL LOOSE ALL YOUR MUSCLES”, well you don’t, they don’t understand, they have never even gotten under 10%, so what do they know about achieving my goals. I have never gotten quicker results then doing that, and then you eat some carbs and look insane. Test and other anabolics tend to cover up mistakes pretty good, actually they are incredible.

This is the only type of dieting I would do when I need to shred in a hurry. Nothing works better for me. I wouldn't do it for more than 1 or 2 weeks, but that is really all it takes for me to achieve my satisfaction. I really don't feel like getting any more cut after that. But I realize this is not a healthy way to drop really low, so this is why I try to stick to healthy cutting diet most of the time. I have to say that one of the mayor downsides of achieving really low body fat (7-6%, under) is that it becomes addicting, intercostals are insanely addicting or as FS call them "spiderwebs", you tend to stick to a strict cutting diet regardless, only sweet potatoes for carbs even when it’s not necessary, you become phobic to a point. This is when binge eatins also occurs. Yes 8% is acceptable for the rest but not for someone who has seen 6% or less, can't be acceptable, it's fat. You keep reminding yourself that your current state is not acceptable. But obsess has always been the key to success. This is what happens when results come to rapidly I guess, this is why steroids are so addicting, if you suddenly give a kid a Corvette that had a 78 Pinto all his life, something is bound to happen. I’m sure it’s because I'm young and have a lot of drive, which I will probably loose it in the years to come. For the mean time I don't have to answer to no one or meet anyone’s standards, just mine so what do I care, I'll do what I want.

[archive_Flash]

Point to FS for his willingness to think, instead of follow the mass mentality that getting lean requires low carbs. I'm eating a cereal bar and a coke right now! Eating low-carb/low kcal has done shit for my intesity, which is what it should really be about (for me anyway). I quit losing fat about 2 weeks ago....just hanging at 7.5, and my intensity has been dwindling to the point yesterday where I just left the gym after a couple of sets of power cleans. I've been bitchy, ill-motivated, tired.....low carb and discipline can kill you mentally. This post was exactly what I needed to SEE. To bring me back into reality about why I train in the first place. I was killin myself doing AM sprints/PM lifting(heavy, so I need the intensity) or PM sport specific which is really pretty much 15-20 second intense bursts.....with no fuckin days off.....what the fuck was I thinking. I know I was burning the candle at both ends, but instead of thinking about MY situation, I just followeed the pack....who most likely doesn't train with the kind of intensity I do. Way to blow up.

Thanks for posting this FS. I neeeded to see/read it.

A couple of days off to recoup and its fuckin on.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

Awesome post karrot. This thread is sick and it is getting me pumped.

OK i am from the other school of thought. i am stickler on my diet. i won't have a single calorie over what i had planned no way. I am dieting for a show now. so i fear muscle loss in every single way. but what i fear more then that is Strenght loss. i like being really ripped while dieting but i honestly have to say durring the winter when no one is seeing me with my shirt off. I enjoy strenght. I like throwing those heavy weight around. pulling insane weight off the floor is so gradifying because you know most people can't do it and never will.

But hell if i gotta have my shirt off. i better be lean because i get embarassed sometimes even when i am lean taking my shirt off because i think i am fat. constantly looking for fat that does not exist. its crazy.

[Fukkenshredded]

Pain. I found a little something in the depths of it this morning. Now, last night I did my workout without too much bitching really, but the truth is, my shins hurt so damn bad that my mile took a full eight and a half minutes. Isabella was on the treadmill beside me listening to my excuses with no expression on her face. So...I explained that the workout would consist primarily of lifting. Which it did, and most of it was heavy lifting (for me). I did a little of everything. I found an empty bench and did a set with 225 and had someone help me lift it off my chest when they saw me just laying there, pinned. I got sixteen I think, maybe it was seventeen, but I got pinned and embarassed. Pull-ups...people were watching me (or so I felt, since that bench thing made me feel like an ass) so I tried to show off like a kid and did them too quickly and tweaked my rear delt on the left. Too bad they weren't real pull-ups, because I got sixty five reps. Which is about thirty real pull-ups when you slow them down and actually do the exercise. But hey, I wasn't working out, I was proving that I wasn't...whatever...for getting pinned under the bar. Now I go for some more dips and can't do anything there. I plodded to the sauna and answered questions about nutrition and gave advice that I have seldom followed myself. This morning the pain was there. It had come in the night, under cover of xanax. I woke up feeling like some sort of residual shadow of a memory of fitness. Weak. I actually considered skipping the workout this morning. Of course, I didn't so that. Instead I regeared my thinking over a bowl of raisin bran and a gram or so of ALA. I know...the workout should be on an empty stomach, but without that bowl it would have been on an empty will. So I calculated about 500 calories (I eat a good size bowl) and hit the sauna for a few minutes and gathered myself. Stepped onto the treadmill at nine o'clock and hit a mile in about 6:30. Walked to minute ten. Then did a full three minute sprint at level 11. Damn near killed me, but right there in that third minute I got my will back. I did three more of those fuckers with three minute rests between. I actually laughed out loud through the entire third sprint. Get this--my testicles pulled up into my body and I felt myself trying to urinate in that third sprint. My head tingled and vision went blurry. I made a decision of insanity right then to run at level eight for one more mile, and then walk at the full incline (15) for yet another mile. It was fucking glorious this morning. The little calorie burner counter dealy put me WAY over a thou this morning. Felt awesome. Pain is awesome. I will only eat liquid nutrition today. Two more myoplexes and Sobe leans when I am thirsty, plus water and a few grams of vitamin C. ONWARD.

[flickenu1]

Anyone else find themselves saying, "Damn I'm a wuss" after reading this thread?

[archive_Caligula]

At first I though, yeah...I'm a wuss. Now I know that he's just fucking crazy! Like Masturbating to Gun's and Ammo crazy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right now I'm eating a family size can of Chef Boyardee sphagetti and meatballs, a box of peeps, a Stewart's Orange cream soda, and some liquid protein....Damn I love Fitness!!!


"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_PDOGGY]

D-A-M-N!

I-AM-A-FUCKING-WUSS!

*************************
One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether.

OUT!

[Shredded]

kakarrot nice post. i'm from the low carb school but i do pig out on weekends . i don't count calories nor do i care too.but i also don't compete. i'm doing this diet post cycle and i have lost alot of fullness but my strenght is staying the same and going up on some exercises. my bf is holding steady at 5.7% but i'm looking to go to 4.5 or so.the suzy q thing last weekend halted my drop in fat. i'm not surprised.kakarrot and i think alike /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Fukkenshredded]

Last night I ate one of those foil packages of albacore (the big ones) and baby field greens. I had a myoplex with a half gram of ALA. This was around seven, maybe eight? Anyway, (gasp) no evening workout. I laid in bed and dreamed of cake until I fell asleep, this time without the aid of xanax because we ran out. Oh well. So this morning I get up and my urine smells like (suprise) a fishery and I take in a litre of water instantly. I feel a little better in general, though, because my skin is starting to get just a tad tighter. Already. So on to the gym, where I hit the mandatory seven minute mile and reflect on things that seem profound and life changing while I am running, but strangely diminish in both clarity and importance within minutes of stopping. Odd. I did the sprints today on level twelve again, but just sixty seconds at a time, and I actually walked for five minutes between each one. Then, while watching CNN I jsut walked at 3.8 and a 15 incline for about fifty minutes or so...there was a short oriental woman who brought a staff member over to my treadmill and somehow convinced him that she had rights to it that superceded mine. No problem. I went downstairs to the sauna, but it was only at 160, which makes me madder than hell. Also, it was filled with geriatrics who were complaining that it sure was hot, and could someone please tell them to turn it down? Geez. Maybe a few reps would help, wo I went to that horizontal squat machine and laid there and stared at the ceiling and thought about food. Oh, I did some reps in the academic sense, but they were time wasters. How many? Who knows? Some. Lets just say that those of you who are following this can skip those reps and your results will not suffer. However, I did do some light overhead presses with the barbell until my delts burned like a bitch, and upon returning to the sauna it was at an acceptable (barely) 190, so I sweated for about twenty minutes and showered and thought about what I am going to eat. I'm still thinking about it. I'll let you know what it turns out to be, but I'm thinking in terms of a six dollar burger from Carl's. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Fukkenshredded]

It turned out to be a six inch subway, double turkey, no cheese, jalepenos, three cookies, 600-700mg ALA, 2 grams vitamin C, a liter of water, and a nap in the afternoon sun on a cool cement sidewalk by a library. I feel better. Tonight will be two more shakes before eight and a workout designed to deplete myself. I will take my time in the gym tonight and just burn all of my fuel doing moderately intense exercise, focused primarily on lifting. I will give the details on Monday, but I can tell you right now that I will get 200 hacks (no weight on the machine) and 200 dips, regardless. The rest will most likely be walking at a pace of 4mph on an incline of 15, with little intervals of pull-ups. I'll just do that, with some sauna thrown in, until the wretched place closes. Until Monday, train hard.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

bump!!!!!

hey FS

what is up with the sauna everday. can you shed some light on this. is it just for water weight. we have a steam room at my jim does that help any too??

[Fukkenshredded]

BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD.

Back at this tonight...off to the gym presently.

[Kakarrot]

I think I'm beginning to understand why the sauna, atleast from my stand point. I have a sauna in the condo where I live along with cardio machines. I have never used it, but started to use it just out of curiosity a couple of days ago. What is one of the effective ways to burn fat?!, raising your body temp and maintaining your heart rate slighly higher, pretty much the essense of cardio or taking thermos (clen). So if you are doing intense windsprinting, so intense you can you are running out of oxygen, 190 beats per second intense, your heart will keep pumping fast for a long while even after stopping. So if you go inside the sauna immidiatly you will keep a more efficient fat burning state and for a longer time?! plus you get to relax, pretty much a win win situation. This is not healthy, this is why no one does it, I woulnd't recomended. BUT if you know your body well enough, which FS does, you know what you can hold and how far you can push it. I take 3 gallons of water a day so dehydration doesn't really affect me, sometimes 4 gallons. This is just my logic, FS probally uses it for other purposes. It really is very relaxing /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

[Badatta2d]

You are very focused, but your self-admitted constant day-dreaming of food seems like an internal battle. Sure it is one we all face daily, but you seem to relish in the self deprivation. Personally, I could do this in short burts but never keep up such a denial of lifes pleasures for the long term. Obviously, this is why you are fukkenshredded. I have seen your past pics and they are awesome.

PS. You have quite a lot of time to train, when do you work?

Attitude is Everything!!!

[Fukkenshredded]

Badatta2d...

Actually I am training for work. I have a few body auditions coming up next month. I like to think of myself as an actor, but the fact is that most of my parts are centered around a certain look. I have only had a few lines here and there, and certainly no roles of significance. I do own a business also, in fact, I manufacture and distribute supplements (just starting it up) but they are not really geard for bodybuilding. It might ultimately turn out to be niched therein, though, as I can see an existing market for many yet to be discovered supplements. ALA is a bandwagon already too full, but I know right now of three other items that will be as big, if not bigger, than that, within a year. Most of the business was put on hold due to my parter's (Isabella) cancer, but that has been brought under control and we are better positioned now to launch. As far as relishing thoughts of food, you bet I do in the early summer, but once I get to the mark I eat whatever I want and work it off the next morning. And I do mean anything. When I get there I can down a whole pizza, cokes, burgers, cookies, whatever, and knock it all off in one ninety minute workout. That's why I train so intensely in these two months--in order to obtain the cardiovascular condition that allows me to damn near sprint for a thousand calories or so, and then lift. That way I eat exactly as I wish. Today, for those who are still interested, I went in on an empty stomach and did eight sprints at twelve for sixty seconds each, three minutes rest between each. I did hacks with two plates per side to failure (one set) followed by pull-ups to failure (two sets) and dips to failure (two sets) and incline sit-ups to failure (two sets) and sauna for about twenty minutes. I ate a footlong subway, double turkey/roast beef with cheddar today, on wheat, a coke, and just now a met-rx RTD (I like strawberry). Tonight I will lift again, heavy weights, benches and hamstrings only, no sprints, and sauna. ONWARD.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

you bet im still interested i gotta get my b\f down and use these types of posts as motivation.

[archive_Caligula]

KaKarrot...unfortunately a sauna will do nothing for burning more fat. The reason being is that the reason your body burns more fat while at a higher body temperture is because of the changes that occur to one's body in order to achieve that temperature change. Whether it be to warm up or to cool off. If your body isn't making the change and the change is being caused by an outside source, (in this case the sauna) your body isn't doing anything. Hence no change in metabolism. It would be nice if you could do that though.

It is relaxing though.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[nahanrac]

I read something a long time ago that said that a sauna may actually help you burn fat some, but I can't remember why. Kind of seems like maybe it had something to do with sweating which takes energy? Maybe someone else has and idea.

[archive_Caligula]

I'm sure you did read that because for a while they were advertising saunas as being the best thing for fat burning. If your body temperature is raised 1 degree you will burn about 520 (I think that's what it is) calories in 1 hour. So they tauted this. The only problem is that someone finally told them that your body has to raise it's own temperature by 1 degree due to exercising or fat burners or something for the calorie burning to take place. So all the people were doing is sweating and dehydrating for an hour. Now it is illegal to say that a sauna will burn calories because they know the truth now.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Fukkenshredded]

Incidentally, jumping rope in the sauna WILL burn fat at an alarming rate.

Afternoon friends. I have yet to even go to the gym. I am TIRED. LAst night I managed a pretty good heavy lifting session, followed by about an hour n the sauna and pool. Oh yeah, I never mentioned the cold dip that is at the gym I attend--its nice to hop in that right out of the sauna and then right back into the heat. They keep it around 50 degrees, although at times it gets as low as forty two, which REALLY gets my attention. Last night it was good and cold, forty six. NICE. This morning I felt like I had molasses in my veins. I woke up at six and had a shake, and then a bowl of raisin bran, which for whatever reason put me right back to sleep. BAD. I got back up at about eight or so and ate again, this time a bowl of oatmeal. I did a bit of work and had a subway, my usual, around noonish. I can definitely see a difference in the mornings in my appearance. I weighed 175 leaving the sauna last night, and after rehydration I weighed 179, which is what I weigh right now. I would guess I have lost two pounds of fat and maybe a pound of muscle, along with three pounds of water or so. That's a guess, people. I will measure this weekend to see whats up for sure, but the serratus are a bit sharper than they were last weekend. I will not eat anything after five today, no particular reason, just instinct, and I will do a workout that does not include any cardio other than a warm-up mile. I imagine that I will focus on bent over rows and rear lateral raises tonight, but if it changes I'll let you know tomorrow. My cravings for sugar have diminished just a touch, now I crave water. I'm getting back in shape, folks, slowly but surely.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

sounds good bro.

i love that back into shape comment. lol


trust me me i speak for all of us when saying this. you are definatley never out of shape. i dont care what you think the rest of the world doesnt' beleive you
lol.

[Tronco]

FS…
OK, after you sang the praises of your “Longwalks” I jumped onboard and for the past year and a half I’ve gotten more “What the f*@* is he doing?” looks than I care to count. But jumping rope in the sauna, man, that has got to gather even more blank stares than I can handle….hmmmm, I’m off to the gym, I’ll let you know how it goes.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

lol @ tronco.

i forgot to comment on that. hahaha

[Fukkenshredded]

I'll just warn you in advance not to try it in the gym if it is a franchise, such as Bally's. Their insurance will not allow any exercising in the sauna whatsoever. I first tried jumproping in the sauna at Coffee's Gym in Atlanta, when it was still in Marietta and still a hardcore gym. It works, but I don't have anywhere to do it right now. I'm in Utah at present and the Bally's is pretty conservative in what they will allow (long walks are out). I even had a staff member ask me to take it a little easier on the sprints the other day when I puked in the trash can. I put that advice in the same can.

[Kakarrot]

I workout at a Bally's, it sucks, when ever you try doing something intense everyone stares. Everyone there trains like zombies. No wonder they don't see results.

I don't know if it's just me, but I find FS behavior normal. But I was also room mates with a guy who I later found out was institioned at a mental facility for 3 years since the age of 15. Apparantly he was cu-cu. I swear to you I never related or understood a person so much like I did him, always got along, best of friends, yes he did some strange things from time to time but most of them where just plain understandable. Maybe it's contagious /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , atleast it has its upsides.

Today I notice the flaw in my program. Since on saturday I ate cookies and cake but wasn't full and started getting paranoid lol, then sunday I did two hours of cardio (plain stupid) and was going to try to keep my diet clean. Well Sunday and Monday I notice I was cheating eating more cookies, couldn't help myself, small stupid cheats. I usually don't get cravings during the week so this seemed odd.

Finally I realize what had happened, so simple, on Sundays I usually eat ALOT of healthy carbs, get super full. After sunday I have no desired to eat anymore than my regular diet, I actaully look foward to it. So I get my hunger out of the way I can breeze thru the week without cheating. Now what had happened was that on sunday I didn't do this so my cravings continue all thru the week. Yes I cheated on saturday night, but I didn't feel full enough. I just realize this today. Today I decide to eat everything I can, good of course, fruits potatoes, rice, cereal meat ect. Now that I got all my craving out of the way I can breeze thru anything again. The flaw was that I was getting too complicated, over analysing every single move. Now I feel in control again and I will get back to the basics, rest for two days and come back strong. I'm so glad too, I was beginning to think my body was slipping from my grasp.

[Fukkenshredded]

If you find an incline bench and lay sideways on it, you can increase the range of lateral raises substantially. It is extremely tiring and your forearms will feel like steel cords in short order.

Walking on the treadmill on a full incline with dumbells is extremely tiring, and your forearms will feel like steel cords in short order.

Hanging in the fully raised pull-up position, with your chin above the bar for two full minutes is extremely tiring, and your forearms will feel like steel cords in short order.

Holding a barbell behind your back, ass level, with three or four plates on each side and watching yourself fade in the mirror after scarcely three minutes is extremely tiring, and your forearms will feel like steel cords in short order.

I have not eaten yet, and I am extremely tired, and my forearms feel like worthless pieces of spaghetti.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

i'm tired already today. i took in too many carbs today on accident so i gotta go for my second session now

ahhh life fun ain't it. go eat something and feel better bro.

[archive_Caligula]

Yeah, I've been doing the long walks 3 times a week going on a month now and the stares never stop. One guy makes the same retared ass comment each time, "hey, the racks over there!!!". Yeah, haha...it get's funnier every time. My favorite part about those is that fact as soon as you put the dumbells down your arms do that thing where they feel like they are floating up. Plus the pump is amazing...or maybe that's just the fina/test talking.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Shredded]

well well well i have hit a plateau . my body is really fighting me to stay this low. my hunger is through the roof so my diet has went to crap. may be time for t3 and some fina . my white gold hasn't made it yet and that has me worried. just to let you know cardio will be a last resort. btw i got some ala on the way too. so that will help me out some with the increase in carbs.

[Kakarrot]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shredded:
well well well i have hit a plateau . my body is really fighting me to stay this low. my hunger is through the roof so my diet has went to crap. may be time for t3 and some fina . my white gold hasn't made it yet and that has me worried. just to let you know cardio will be a last resort. btw i got some ala on the way too. so that will help me out some with the increase in carbs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL I was wating for this moment, Mr.Fast Metabolizm, Mr. I'm having a brezze reaching 4%, Mr. No Cardio, your downfall has begun my friend /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif , apparantly not that easy to breeze thru under 5% with out T3 or other chemical aids is it?! J/K. You will eventually reinforce the theory that the body can't stay too low for too long. Your body will start strapping to every once of fat it can whether you like it or not. Apparantly you have two choices, comeback up to the 6-7% range where you can eat what ever you want and you look alot healthier, feel better, and one pig out day will hardly have the impact it currently has. Or take a day off, gather your toughts and continue the uphill battle, which will only get steeper. Wish you luck /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif , really bro, best of luck /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[assboy]

I'm fat.

Anabolic consumer.

[Fukkenshredded]

Another thing to consider is that if you maintain 5% with an ultra clean diet, your body becomes overly sensitive to 'dirty foods', so to speak. I keep at least one coke a day in there, because I find that I can stay lean with just 10 more minutes of cardio. But if I quit that stuff cold, when I get back on it my body holds it even more vigorously than it did prior to quitting. The same goes for burgers and cookies. I want my body to acclimate to a diet that I can live with forever, not just in the summer. So while I don't advocate a diet filled with crap, I think a diet too clean is counterproductive to my overall quality of life. And like I said before, that coke gives an added impetus to get on in the gym when I really might not feel like it. Now, take this morning for example. I went to bed starving and angry, and woke up starving and angry. Luckily I had a couple of Xenadrine to help piss me off some more, but at least I felt like shit. I made a decision to eat a burger sometime today if I need it, so I cardio away 1600 calories on the stairclimber from 8:30 to 11:00. I have a little dietary latitude today. Here's the curious part, though. Right now I'm not really craving anything, except maybe money. Hope it holds. Isabella told me today that I look 'more muscley' and my face is thinner. That kind of thing keeps me going. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[growin&amp;apos;]

When you say "Long Walks", are you referring to Farmer's Walks? i.e. you grab a heavy pair of dumbbells and walk until the DB's fall from your hands?

Keep up the diet FS, you do a HELL of alot more cardio than I am doing, but then again I am au natural and plan on losing fat much slower. Too much work to get this strong just to watch it go away /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kudos bro

I am a viking!

[bkrquads]

Dude, I have to say your workouts sound insane and I am quite amazed with your alternative exercises. I have a few questions for you:

1. I saw your pics from a while ago at 5% and all I can say is damn. Have you ever used a classic bulking cycle or have you always kept a relativly low bf? I know you have said you do work as a model, but is there anytime during the year you go above, say, 10% /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

2. Have you always worked out in the style you are presently doing? ex. 1 set of reps until failure vs. 4-5 sets of 8-12 reps.

3. I know you have given some insight into your diet but can you give some examples of your daily averages (kcal, protein, carbs, fat)?

Thanks and keep amazing us!

[W8&amp;apos;s]

hey growing do a search on long walks he has posted about them numerous times.

w8's

[nahanrac]

I think he would be on the verge of suicide if he got over 10%

[W8&amp;apos;s]

i would say he was close at 8%
lol

[Shredded]

Kakarrot i knew you would have something to say. its a shame i don't have a rebuttal. but i did lmbo at your post /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PhatSack]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by growin':
When you say "Long Walks", are you referring to Farmer's Walks? i.e. you grab a heavy pair of dumbbells and walk until the DB's fall from your hands?

Keep up the diet FS, you do a HELL of alot more cardio than I am doing, but then again I am au natural and plan on losing fat much slower. Too much work to get this strong just to watch it go away /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kudos bro

I am a viking!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fuck, I did my first "long walk" tonight. That's some insane shit. FS, you should receive a pulitzer for creating that. I only used 25's tonight, but I'll increase 5lbs each night.

[Fukkenshredded]

Took Sunday off altogether. I ate a double whopper with cheese, fries, coke, a couple of chicken burritos, a couple of protien shakes and a bag of popcorn. Felt great. GREAT. Went down to Wendover and blew some money, and boy am I glad that I did that because who needs money? Or gear? Hey, I may be poor but at least I was stupid. Geesh. Anyway, I hit the gym today with the usual vigor, but I am battling a cold here. Oh, forgot to mention that the new G arrived and has made a HUGE difference in my sleep. Thank God. That stuff is invaluable when I am on fina. Anyway, I did the sauna, followed by some lifting. I did benches, just the warm-up followed by the one drop set. Then it was chins, all I could do twice. Dips, same. I considered hitting the hacks again and decided against it. I went back into the sauna and sweat out all I could before rehydrating and weighing and measuring. So here we are. 179 at 6%.

ONWARD.

[Kakarrot]

well that wasn't that hard /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, 2 weeks and you already dropped 2%.

[MrClean]

I'm sweating just reading this.

http://216.85.237.147/mrclean.jpg

For all your household needs...

[Fukkenshredded]

Here's another one to put under the BAD IDEA column of your personal logbooks. If you are ever considering taking a gram of ALA in the morning with a low-carb shake, and then a gram of ALA with a no carb lunch, followed by a gram of ALA with a no carb shake at, say three o'clock or so in the afternoon, followed by a shot of 2cc fina just prior to going and sprinting...well, DON'T.

Damn near passed out, and it wasn't from fatigue. Just suddenly I was sitting on the gym floor when before I had been on the treadmill, and I must've been on autopilot from there to the place I was sitting against the wall, feeling dizzy, because I don't remember a bit of it. Not to mention that my pupils constricted and I could barely see for about fifteen minutes before finally they dilated and I was able to get up and get a drink of water. At first I thought it was a BP issue, but after a grapefruit juice I knew it was a blood sugar issue, OF COURSE IT WAS, and if you take tons of ALA just be aware that your blood sugar will be altered. As in, adjust your workouts accordingly. Okay then. ONWARD.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

damm bro, sorry to hear about your ala expeicance.

stay safe.

and it seem like your droping nicely and hey you even got to eat fries!!!

[junglestud]

mine was with the stairmaster....cranked it up to level 12 for 30sec to 90 sec bouts with 30-60seconds at 8 or 9....blasted the quads, baby, they were F'in pumped. Youre right, fukken, when you get MAD, you get focused! Followed that with 100 reps of curls and 100 reps of pushdowns (in sets). My "rest phase" was with abs and low back exercises. Didn't have access to a sauna, so I'll have to wait on that. I'm SUPERFAT at 13% so mine shoulD come off quicker at least in the beginnning! Just ordered some NYC and thinking about liquidex, and winny &/or fina.

super fat signing off!

[Fukkenshredded]

Welcome aboard, jungle--

Remember, starting out with enthusiasm is very important, but do not injure yourself. It is critical that you pay close attention to your bodies' response to your efforts. It sounds like you nailed a good one there, so props to you. Focus is not a result of just anger. Anger and frustration often act as a springboard to help drive us to get our shit together, but anger alone will not see the gig through. Set a concrete goal, jungle...whatever it is, and grind away at it the way you did in that last workout and you WILL get there, I guaranfukkentee it. Nice work.

[Shredded]

i'm surprised that as much as you know you took that much ala with no carbs! well i'm glad your allright. and welcome to the low bf club my striated brother. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[junglestud]

thanks for the props, FUKK'N....my biggest problem is that when I try and eat clean, I'M F'IN HUNGRY AS A BEAST!!! Then, I end up eating peanut butter and eating way too many calories and my body fat don't F'in change!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Fukkenshredded]

Last night was tough. I hit the gram of ALA with very little carbs and went to the gym. This time I brought in a bottle of grapefruit juice, just in case things got dicey, which they did.

On the treadmill, I started a sprint on minute twenty seven, level twelve, and went through minute thirty. During this three minute period a strange thing happened. I got tunnel vision and the familiar signs of distress, and I was expecting a collapse of sorts, just about to reach for the grapefruit juice, when suddenly my body heated up (I felt this) and I began to feel refreshed. It was like I was a cyborg, tireless and strong. I was strangely detatched from myself, and I wondered if this was a type of fatigue that I was unfamiliar with, so I quit the sprint at the midway point of minute thirty-one, and checked my pulse. 205. But then it went to 130 within sixty seconds, which is much better than average recovery for me.

I went downstairs and did some benches just for grins, and found that I was abnormally strong. It took much longer to get to failure.

I hit the sauna where I cramped immediately.

Anyway, later on I felt genuine fatigue and really didn't NEED the ghb that I took, but why let needs determine everything? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[archive_Ulter]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Anyway, later on I felt genuine fatigue and really didn't NEED the ghb that I took, but why let needs determine everything?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CASCADER!

[junglestud]

25 SLAMMIN minutes on the stairmaster today...dripping, snortin, spittin all over that fukkin machine!!!

followed it up with 100 rep squats and 60 rep leg extension broken up with abs and low back again!

Fukken, I'm not on anything, YET.......ordered NYC, thinking of ordering ALA....liquidex...and possibly fina or winny.....whatdoyathink?!

How long is your cardio right now?

How many calories are you eating a day?

Why is GHB good for sleeping AND sex?

...questions to ponder I suppose.....

thanks,
see ya!

[archive_Flash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Why is GHB good for sleeping AND sex?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Junglestud, I'm guessing you haven't used GHB? Sex on G is unreal(I have never used X). It also jams 8 hrs of sleep into 4. It's great shit. My Dr. even swears by the stuff, but he won't tell me how to synthesize it myself....greedy bastard! Oh, yeah, as an added benefit, GHB also tends to lean you out and tighten your skin......or maybe it' just me?

[Fukkenshredded]

Flash--

GHB definitely has a cosmetic impact on me in just the way you stated. My skin seems tighter and smoother, and I seem to lose bodyfat easier and faster. Moreover, it seems that when I am on GHB and NOTHING ELSE, I stay lean and hard. Trouble is, after a while I start needing a dose every hour throughout the night to sleep. So, I quit for while (not hard to do for those of you shouting addiction) and then I pick some more up and go through it. I have posted here a few times about the summer I just stayed on G for weeks on end, 24/7, and quitting was no problem, except my sleep suffered badly for at least a month thereafter. Nothing but a thing, though...just dealt with it and it went away, the way everything does if you give it enough time. On fina, GHB is a must for me. I don't like benzos like xanax, although I might take one in the absence of anything else. I pretty much avoid tylenol PM altogether, although I must confess that one or two of those have even passed my gums. G beats them all, but I have been bitten by an overdose twice, and it is NO FUN. GHB is a drug to be treated with a higher awareness than steroids in general. To ignore the risks of GHB can be realfukkenbad.

[Fukkenshredded]

junglestud--

Order them both. Winny is a great way to come of fina. In fact, I think it is the only way to keep the fina results. Winny is unbeatable for cutting.

[junglestud]

Fukken.....read my previous post and see the questions......I see why you need G now...to slow you down! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[archive_Flash]

Hey FS, You don't use clomid when coming off? What's your routine? From What I've read anastrozle and chastebarry. Is there anything else? This sounds like a good way to shed some of this unwanted mass I gained from fina.....

How do you beat the pumps from fina? I get them so bad I can't spin my cranks fast (fast for me is above 120 rpm on the bike) during sprints. That alone makes me want to trash the stuff.

Yup, winny and G and you can lean out eatin pizza and drinkin cokes...I need to get tested this weeek. I think I broke under 7 /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[junglestud]

how can a substance make you leaner, make sex better, and put you to sleep?!

explain the reaction to me....when you take it, are you amped up like coke? have sensitivity like X, for like a couple of hours then you just hit a wall and sleep?

[harddtime]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by junglestud:
how can a substance make you leaner, make sex better, and put you to sleep?!

explain the reaction to me....when you take it, are you amped up like coke? have sensitivity like X, for like a couple of hours then you just hit a wall and sleep?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


junglestud, here's some info on G...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml


- harddtime

[harddtime]

FS, are you using GBL or GHB?


- harddtime

[Shredded]

i'm at 6% and not a sweat.

[archive_Flash]

Yup, I wish I could I get measured- but I'm pretty optimistc because I can see everything on me that I can see on the anatomy mode at school-sans striations on my hip flexors. Anyway after I stopped fina I broke out real bad and Kinda can't take my shirt off in front of the trainers there. I train at a little personal gym and know all the guys there, and they're big into natural powerlifting and bodybuilding competitions. I killed a thousand calories this morning on an empty stomach and some ephedrine. rode my bike to the gym. 5 sets of 4 power cleans, then 5 stes of 4 front squats...I got 225 for all 5 sets, which is a personal high...anyway followed that up with 4 sets of 20 plyos (squat jumps) all at 2 minute rest intervals...had some time left so I did 1 set of incline bench at 135 to failure then incline crunches to failure. rode home and waited an hour to eat. I think I made up for it tonight ate mexican food...mmmmm chips and queso..grilled chicken covered in cheese...a coke...a shot of cuervo gold(and a norco /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )and some borracho beans...good times.LOL!!!

[Fukkenshredded]

junglestud--

Sorry bout that. I eat between 1200-3000 calories a day, depending on how hungry I get. I burn away anything over 2000 while on the machine I choose for the day.

I don't pay all that much attention to ratios, I pretty much eat what I am hungry for at that particdular moment. Sometimes its cleaner than others. If I am not craving shit, I eat chicken breast salads and the like.

I drink coke regularly.

My cardio lasts anywhere from 20 minutes to 90 minutes, depending on what I ate the night before. My night workouts are usually restricted to lifting, although recently, in light of my laziness, I have included cardio then as well, usually thirty minutes.

I do my morning cardio before I eat anything at all. That is absolutely crucial to the success of any program, in my opinion.

Any high intensity cardio is good, from sprints to versaclimbing, just be certain to go all out. Which I know you do.

The sauna is for comfort after I exert myself, and I don't think it assists in burning fat.

AThe GHB thing is up for grabs. I'm not sure how it keeps people lean, but it certainly seems to help. What was said above is true. When doing both GHB and winstrol at 100mg ED, it is nearly impossible to gain any fat, and very easy to lose it while keeping muscle. Its spooky.

That help?

Anyway, I'm off to lift. Till tomorrow then.

[Tronco]

Jumping rope in the sauna…
I did end up doing them that night, just haven’t had the chance to post about it yet. I was able to get through ten minutes without getting’ caught by the “man”, although, I did have to wait a while for the “hairy old guy posse” to leave the sauna. I can see what you mean about these melting fat away fairly quickly. Probably not the healthiest of activities, but effective nonetheless. For anyone thinking about doing this the absolute most important part is....don’t get caught. When I lived in DC I was less than politely asked to leave the Washington Sports Club after I was caught doing deep knee bends in the sauna, but to their credit they had given me a number of chances to mend my ways, after some previous “non-conforming” incidents…

As for the cutting…sorry FS I’m out of the game for a while. I’ve been riding the low-sixes for the past couple of months, but I took a real good look in the mirror the other day and didn’t like the POW-esque face staring back at me. Now where are those Oreos? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by Tronco on 04-20-2002 at 02:03 PM.]

[junglestud]

I appreciate you writing your best estimate of your intake. You are sort of going how you feel...when you really need to, you are increasing your blood sugar through drinking coke and consuming a larger amount of food.

I find when I do the High Intensity cardio, I get REALLY hungry, so it almost defeats the purpose of burning so many calories...this leads me to running for 35-45 minutes in this hot Florida sun!...which seems to be ok for me, I grew up playing football in 90 degree/85% humidity so I ACTUALLY LIKE IT!....more like a steam room than I sauna, I suppose.

I'll try the cardio first thing in the am though...I like that idea.....

I'm getting NYC and ALA this week......thinking of getting winny and G.....

later for now.....keep working.....I'm GOING TO GET TO 5-6%!!!

[archive_Nate]

why don't you just drink diet coke bro, not much of a difference...

[W8&amp;apos;s]

i say if you can eat it and still be lean. well fuck it go ahead and eat it. why torture youself anymore then needed. if ya like the sugar and can get away with it. then drink it. i for one cannot. lol. in the offseason yes but not right now. thats for sure.

[Fukkenshredded]

I'm getting tired. I went to L.A. over the weekend and dropped a few beans, which is not healthy at all, but certainly burns up the calories...had a lot of fun but the next day was a BI-ATCH! Saw my mom for the first time in two years. She looked good and commented that I looked like 'those boxers you like to watch', so that made my day. We had coffee, which helped clear my head.

From Saturday night to monday morning I was on GHB, solid, the whole time. Flying scares me, and G doesn't really help me be less afraid, but it lets me sleep for some of the trip.

Monday morning I felt pretty good, but skipped the gym. I ate a gigantic serving of oatmeal, and followed it with an ice cold coke to help my bowels move. X sorta constipates me. Anyway, it did the trick and I felt back to normal by the evening, only I was a bit tired.

I went ahead and hit a bit of cardiio this morning, and had a Carl's six dollar burger. Not bad, but I don't see the big deal. I looked lean and tight in the mirror this morning, and weighed 177. I think I am slightly dehydrated, though, so I am right this minute drinking a berry flavored water drink. 10 cals, so nothing. Tastes good. I will hit the gym again tonight to lift, it will be all legs. I am not running tonight at all, but I may walk on full incline for a few minutes for my frame of mind.

Getting from 8 to a touch over 6 was easy.

Getting any leaner is truly difficult. I may be a half pound leaner, but I think, as I said, I am just drier. I am going to have to get some bloodwork done, and I gotta keep an eye on this prostate. Had a bit of hesitation, so I hit the saw palmetto. I don't hink it really does much, but when we are worried, we will try anything, eh?

I have about one week of fina left. Thank God. At 150/ED it makes me paranoid and moody, no doubt. Not to mention it castrates me completely after a couple of weeks, and those couple of weeks have lapsed. I wish I could do a blast of test, but I have decided against that. Easier for me to start back up if I just skip that and start the recovery right off the winny. I will start the arimidex again real soon, maybe Friday. In conjunction with chasteberry it gets me functioning pretty quickly, or at least it has so far. Knock on wood!

I am going to ease into a holding pattern right about here, and just let the winny do the work for a couple of weeks. Assuming I actually get it. All in all I feel pretty good considering what I have put myself through this last couple of weeks. But I am worn out, folks, and that is no lie.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

i hear you bro. you have done a lot of work the last few weeks definatley. 6 % is very nice and as we all have discussed before any lower is on the edge of destructive to your body to maintain.

i am tired myself i have been pushing myself very hard lately training pretty much 7 days a week twice a day. the fat is melting off me like no tomorrow. its tough but hell anything in life worth having is now isn't it.

[Fukkenshredded]

I just finished my evening workout. I feel much better today, in every way. I have found the proper dosing for the ALA, which is about a gram per 100 carbs, with 50 protien. That dosing seems to keep the nappy feeling of lightheadedness away, and seems to help with carb binging desires. My urine, though, is comparable to that of a rhino.

Now, here is something to consider about this ALA thing, and maybe someone should make a seperate post about this concept. ALA acts as a chelating agent and can strip the body of iron and magnesium and other trace elements. Bearing in mind that we who take tren are also taking juniper berry or cranberry extract, we have to consider the possibility of kidney stones if we do not supplement our iron and magnesium and potassium. Whenever we take excessive cranberry, our oxalate(?) levels are increased. This is what causes stones. Now, the antidote for stones is usually magnesium and potassium, which are also increased when cranberry extract is consumed. HOWEVER, if we are removing these elements from our bodies with massive ALA doses, it would seem to me that the risk of a stone is increased. Therefore, I would recommend that these elements be supplemented as well. I utilize wheat grass, I have mentioned before.

Anyway, I think this should be the final post in this thread, as it is getting a bit tedious to post to. I will post a new thread...from 6% down...to chronicle the next two weeks. ONWARD. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shredded]

yep i got to 6% no problem below that my body started fighting. i'm holding at 6% now eating what i want and i'm liking the look and getting more and more compliments. still no cardio or t3. fs tell me your dosing schedule for the chasteberry.thanks.

[W8&amp;apos;s]

no cardio damm

i dont' understand. i dont' think i could pull that off with no cardio.