When did you notice results with the Winny Tabs?

Cocktails · 02-16-2002, 11:16 PM

How long did it take anyone to notice some results/gains with the Winny Tabs?
1 week in and I'm noticing some sides but minimal gains.
I would think an oral would react fairly quickly in your system and you'd notice some gains quickly.

archive_FitnessChick · 02-17-2002, 02:06 PM

3 weeks-----------
Solid difference at 3 weeks!

Trinity13 · 02-18-2002, 10:33 AM

Cocktails, I have been toying with the idea of trying the Winny tabs but am somewhat apprehensive due to my previous experience with the injectable Winny.

You state you are seeing sides with minimal gains at just one week. What kind of sides are you experiencing. Very much interested to know.

Thanks for the help.

You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

Cocktails · 02-21-2002, 04:28 AM

are Acne popped right out, skin greasy(usually very dry), voice deepened immediately, hair shedding heavily.
Dam!!!I don't think I can continue!!!!!

Trinity13 · 02-21-2002, 06:33 AM

How much you taking?? Maybe if you reduce the dosage some of the sides will subside.

You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

BigEasy · 02-21-2002, 09:21 PM

Ctails,
Which brand are you using? I am VERY suspect of Mexican vet prods right now. The are running a close second to "Chinese-Pakistani" orals IMHO.

BE

Burke~ "All that is required for evil to triumph in the world, is that enough good men do nothing".

Cocktails · 02-23-2002, 04:47 AM

I have dropped it back to 5 mg a day. My voice has come up a bit,but I bet I don't see much in the way of gains at this dose.
I have that problem, as soon as I increase the dose, I get great gains but the sides, and I can live with just about anything,( but my hair falls out in handfuls) causes me to back off.
It's so frustrating!!!

TEXASAMM · 02-28-2002, 02:28 PM

does that with some gals.And others no sides .Your dose @10mg and your voice is changing.I would stop the winny altogether.

bloat and acne are nothing to worry about aslong as you don't pick at your skin.

but voice deepening,and clitorial enlargement as well as square (test)jaw ,are and should be major concerns

1)I would use anavar instead.
2)I would change brands

I didn't read that you are using anything else so I am assuming no.

Cocktails · 03-01-2002, 01:46 AM

I'm giving up on all this stuff. I can live with all the sides except for lossing my hair. If I could shave it bald, I would! So I'm giving up on all the other stuff.....
Except my dear Deca. It has made my life bearable.
Without it, I am a mess. I won't even start my harrange.
My next try will be Growth as there doesn't ssem to be anything but good going on with it.

TEXASAMM · 03-01-2002, 02:30 AM

But the change in the voice is most likely from your deca.I have seen it over and over again.

The only nandrolone I recommend to my gals is durabolin.You have better control.

You are on the right track with the HGH,slin,Igf1 idea.Think about some EPO. but first go talk to Animal @animalkits.be

EPO scary?not when you get the true facts!

archive_NubianBeauty · 03-01-2002, 01:12 PM

Texas, what would be the benefits of EPO?

TEXASAMM · 03-01-2002, 06:25 PM

It would take me 4 hours to type all the benefits of EPO for bodybuilders.(since I'm probably one of the last two finger typists)

Go to www.animalkits.be Type in epo at the search function.We have had some good debates on the topic overthere. If you still have some questions I'll am glad to share some info.

Their is a thread titled hemoglobin powder. This is not EPO but another additive to increase oxygen and blood volume.

Just think of it like this If you could squat your heaviest weight for 8 reps and fell to the ground complete failure.But,you could use something that enabled you to do 15r, then go imediately to the leg press knock out 25 heavy reps and walk over and finish up on the leg ext.
another for 25reps.

Would the extra stress increase muscle tissue? And not being an androgen it could not screw up a females body and face.

all steroids increase epo in thr body.

EPO is the hormone in the body that makes RBC's they carry oxygen to all the cells of the body.

I am now studying hemoglobin role oxygen carrying effects

Cocktails · 03-03-2002, 12:14 AM

No problem with the voice after over a year on the Deca Durabolin via Dr. Scruggs. 1 week on the Winny, people are calling me "Sir" on the phone.
Nope, it ain't the Deca.

TEXASAMM · 03-03-2002, 08:44 PM

If you are not getting ready for a Nat'l show and got a chance to win to get "the card"

Then I would stop this cycle, regroup and start again in a month.

People are calling you sir on the phone?It may not bother you today!But it soon will and then you have no recourse.

Right now the sides may not be permanant.But you know, you have done some irreversable damage to your voice.

Cocktails · 03-04-2002, 01:08 AM

My voice comes back a bit, but it was damaged by the Test I tryed a year ago.
I sound like a frog when I try to sing. I've been off the Winny for 3 days now and voice is already back to "normal".
It's amazing how fast this stuff comes and goes.....
I'll wait for the growth!!!

archive_NubianBeauty · 03-04-2002, 04:31 PM

Cocktails, Winny started to affect my throat @ 4mgs ED... it is a crap shoot with Winny for most women, either you do really well or REALLY bad with it. I am on Durabolin @ 25mgs E4D with ZERO side effects [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Go figure [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] I have my GH in now and will start using that as well.

TEXASAMM · 03-05-2002, 10:18 AM

that you ever tried test before...BAD BAD GIRL!!!(lol).

FitnessBlond · 03-06-2002, 11:10 AM

I've been using it for almost 2 weeks and the first thing I noticed was the strength increase. The only side effect I'm having is joint pain and alittle oily skin but thats it. No acne none of that. Oh yeah and I'm shooting 25mg of Depot every 3rd day. I think it works great!!!

"The only real squat is a deep squat"

Cocktails · 03-07-2002, 01:14 AM

Depot What?
And what form and dose of Winny?
Texasamm:
You wouldn't believe the problems I had on 1/2cc of Sust E 3 weeks. It was ridiculous!!

FitnessBlond · 03-07-2002, 06:11 AM

25mg Winny Depot(Zambon) every 3rd day. Depot is short for deposit(intramuscular deposit).

"The only real squat is a deep squat"

hardbdygrl · 03-16-2002, 08:35 PM

hey girls, i am on 15 mg of ox and 10mg of winny tabs a day. I am noticing acne and alot of bloat!!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
Do you think taking 10mg of winny every other day or every 3rd day, would decrease the bloat?

Ula · 03-17-2002, 07:48 AM

It's not the winny it's the ox. There is little or nothing I can do to stop it. Even lasix doesn't help. I just tough it out and the water goes away in 3-4 weeks when I am done.

hardbdygrl · 03-17-2002, 11:55 AM

really ULa, so your saying The ox made u retain water?

Would u suggest i stop the ox and just take 10mg of winny then?

02-16-2002, 11:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	When did you notice results with the Winny Tabs? How long did it take anyone to notice some results/gains with the Winny Tabs? 1 week in and I'm noticing some sides but minimal gains. I would think an oral would react fairly quickly in your system and you'd notice some gains quickly.

02-18-2002, 10:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Trinity13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 116 Rep Power: 6061	What Sides? Cocktails, I have been toying with the idea of trying the Winny tabs but am somewhat apprehensive due to my previous experience with the injectable Winny. You state you are seeing sides with minimal gains at just one week. What kind of sides are you experiencing. Very much interested to know. Thanks for the help. You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve __________________ You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

02-21-2002, 04:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	Sides....... are Acne popped right out, skin greasy(usually very dry), voice deepened immediately, hair shedding heavily. Dam!!!I don't think I can continue!!!!!

02-21-2002, 06:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
Trinity13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 116 Rep Power: 6061	How much you taking?? Maybe if you reduce the dosage some of the sides will subside. You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve __________________ You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

02-21-2002, 09:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
BigEasy Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 126 Rep Power: 5729	Ctails, Which brand are you using? I am VERY suspect of Mexican vet prods right now. The are running a close second to "Chinese-Pakistani" orals IMHO. BE Burke~ "All that is required for evil to triumph in the world, is that enough good men do nothing". __________________ BE Burke~ &quot;All that is required for evil to triumph in the world, is that enough good men do nothing&quot;.

02-17-2002, 02:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
archive_FitnessChick Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,119 Rep Power: 7080	3 weeks----------- Solid difference at 3 weeks!

02-23-2002, 04:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	I was doing 10 mg a day of TT. I have dropped it back to 5 mg a day. My voice has come up a bit,but I bet I don't see much in the way of gains at this dose. I have that problem, as soon as I increase the dose, I get great gains but the sides, and I can live with just about anything,( but my hair falls out in handfuls) causes me to back off. It's so frustrating!!!

02-28-2002, 02:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
TEXASAMM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 6263	winstrol does that with some gals.And others no sides .Your dose @10mg and your voice is changing.I would stop the winny altogether. bloat and acne are nothing to worry about aslong as you don't pick at your skin. but voice deepening,and clitorial enlargement as well as square (test)jaw ,are and should be major concerns 1)I would use anavar instead. 2)I would change brands I didn't read that you are using anything else so I am assuming no.

03-01-2002, 01:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	Ox makes my hair fall out too. Can't do it. I'm giving up on all this stuff. I can live with all the sides except for lossing my hair. If I could shave it bald, I would! So I'm giving up on all the other stuff..... Except my dear Deca. It has made my life bearable. Without it, I am a mess. I won't even start my harrange. My next try will be Growth as there doesn't ssem to be anything but good going on with it.

03-01-2002, 02:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
TEXASAMM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 6263	I'm sorry hon...and I'm sure you aren't ready to beleive me But the change in the voice is most likely from your deca.I have seen it over and over again. The only nandrolone I recommend to my gals is durabolin.You have better control. You are on the right track with the HGH,slin,Igf1 idea.Think about some EPO. but first go talk to Animal @animalkits.be EPO scary?not when you get the true facts!

03-01-2002, 01:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
archive_NubianBeauty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,761 Rep Power: 7054	Texas, what would be the benefits of EPO?

03-01-2002, 06:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
TEXASAMM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 6263	N.B. It would take me 4 hours to type all the benefits of EPO for bodybuilders.(since I'm probably one of the last two finger typists) Go to www.animalkits.be Type in epo at the search function.We have had some good debates on the topic overthere. If you still have some questions I'll am glad to share some info. Their is a thread titled hemoglobin powder. This is not EPO but another additive to increase oxygen and blood volume. Just think of it like this If you could squat your heaviest weight for 8 reps and fell to the ground complete failure.But,you could use something that enabled you to do 15r, then go imediately to the leg press knock out 25 heavy reps and walk over and finish up on the leg ext. another for 25reps. Would the extra stress increase muscle tissue? And not being an androgen it could not screw up a females body and face. all steroids increase epo in thr body. EPO is the hormone in the body that makes RBC's they carry oxygen to all the cells of the body. I am now studying hemoglobin role oxygen carrying effects

03-03-2002, 12:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	Have been on low maintainece Deca Durabolin for over a year. No problem with the voice after over a year on the Deca Durabolin via Dr. Scruggs. 1 week on the Winny, people are calling me "Sir" on the phone. Nope, it ain't the Deca.

03-03-2002, 08:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
TEXASAMM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 6263	I would stop!!!! If you are not getting ready for a Nat'l show and got a chance to win to get "the card" Then I would stop this cycle, regroup and start again in a month. People are calling you sir on the phone?It may not bother you today!But it soon will and then you have no recourse. Right now the sides may not be permanant.But you know, you have done some irreversable damage to your voice.

03-04-2002, 01:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	Yup, voice is damaged. Can't sing anymore. My voice comes back a bit, but it was damaged by the Test I tryed a year ago. I sound like a frog when I try to sing. I've been off the Winny for 3 days now and voice is already back to "normal". It's amazing how fast this stuff comes and goes..... I'll wait for the growth!!!

03-04-2002, 04:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
archive_NubianBeauty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,761 Rep Power: 7054	Cocktails, Winny started to affect my throat @ 4mgs ED... it is a crap shoot with Winny for most women, either you do really well or REALLY bad with it. I am on Durabolin @ 25mgs E4D with ZERO side effects [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Go figure [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] I have my GH in now and will start using that as well.

03-05-2002, 10:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
TEXASAMM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 6263	I had no Idea... that you ever tried test before...BAD BAD GIRL!!!(lol).

03-06-2002, 11:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
FitnessBlond Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 5054	I'm on winny now and I'm fine I've been using it for almost 2 weeks and the first thing I noticed was the strength increase. The only side effect I'm having is joint pain and alittle oily skin but thats it. No acne none of that. Oh yeah and I'm shooting 25mg of Depot every 3rd day. I think it works great!!! "The only real squat is a deep squat" __________________ &quot;The only real squat is a deep squat&quot;

03-07-2002, 01:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
Cocktails Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 608 Rep Power: 14033	FB What's your dosages? Depot What? And what form and dose of Winny? Texasamm: You wouldn't believe the problems I had on 1/2cc of Sust E 3 weeks. It was ridiculous!!

03-07-2002, 06:11 AM	#20 (permalink)
FitnessBlond Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 5054	25mg Winny Depot(Zambon) every 3rd day. Depot is short for deposit(intramuscular deposit). "The only real squat is a deep squat" __________________ &quot;The only real squat is a deep squat&quot;

03-16-2002, 08:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
hardbdygrl Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 5267	hey girls, i am on 15 mg of ox and 10mg of winny tabs a day. I am noticing acne and alot of bloat!!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] Do you think taking 10mg of winny every other day or every 3rd day, would decrease the bloat?

03-17-2002, 07:48 AM	#22 (permalink)
Ula Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 141 Rep Power: 6108	It's not the winny it's the ox. There is little or nothing I can do to stop it. Even lasix doesn't help. I just tough it out and the water goes away in 3-4 weeks when I am done.

03-17-2002, 11:55 AM	#23 (permalink)
hardbdygrl Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 5267	really ULa, so your saying The ox made u retain water? Would u suggest i stop the ox and just take 10mg of winny then?

03-17-2002, 05:06 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ula Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 141 Rep Power: 6108