Phenyltropic PPA

[Kaizen]

Okay, got my daily EF email and this was the promo of the day anyone used it? and what did you think of your results and should I bite Looking for something a bit different.... Thanks in advance all [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[archive_Ulter]

If you can hold out a few day we will have the same product in the AF Store for 1/3 less than what George is selling his for. I am trying to recruit Macro to explain why this is a great fat burner.

[tnheygirl]

I with Kaizen! Will be waiting impatiently!

[Kaizen]

Shoot....score!!!

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I love our new store!!

[Monster]

Ok, we've waited for macro long enough. If I may I will scratch the surface of this and he can elaborate later...

Phenyltropic stimulates alpha and beta receptors and can cause the release of norepinephrine from storage sites in the body.

Not to be an alarmist, but this is the stuff the FDA wanted pulled because of the risk of stroke for women using it.

Heres an article on it with the FDA statement...

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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has asked drug companies to stop marketing popular appetite suppressants and cold remedies containing an ingredient linked to a form of stroke in women.

FDA officials say they are taking steps to remove phenylpropanolamine (PPA) from over-the-counter and prescription medications, and they advise consumers to consult their pharmacists and healthcare providers about other options.

Products with PPA include the appetite suppressants Acutrim and Dexatrim and the cold remedies Alka-Seltzer Plus, Dimetapp and Triaminic.

The announcement came on Nov. 6, when The New England Journal of Medicine released a 5-year study linking PPA to hemorrhagic stroke — bleeding into the brain — in women.

Last month an advisory committee to the FDA cited this study when it said PPA is unsafe. The researchers, led by Walter N. Kernan, M.D., of the Yale University School of Medicine, found that women ages 18 to 49 who took appetite suppressants containing PPA were 16 times more likely to have a hemorrhagic stroke than other women. They also found that women who used cold or cough remedies containing PPA for the first time had a threefold increased risk of hemorrhagic stroke.

There was no increased risk of stroke for men using these cough or cold remedies, and none of the men in the study were taking appetite suppressants.

"Although the risk of hemorrhagic stroke is very low, even with phenylpropanolamine use, the conditions for which these products are used do not appear to warrant an increased risk of this serious event from using this drug," the FDA says.
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it might be helpful, it was too long for me to read... my mind starts wandering [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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you cant help the hate that it brings.
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[blueyedkowgrl]

short attention span huh monster??

[Monster]

huh? was someone talking to me?

heh heh, yeah. There are only a handfull of things that hold my attention anymore. Reading FDA statements is defiantly NOT one of them!

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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy"

"You cant help my isolation,
you cant help the hate that it brings.
You cant help my absence of faith,
you cant help my everything."

[Kaizen]

That pseudo-ephedrine thing isn't really that much of a worry to me considering aspirin, alcohol and BC pills can cause the same thing...

I wonder if it is based on the illness and ill health factor of the subjects...A man I worked with had a stroke due to dimetap but he was also doing heavy doses of chemo which I'm sure predisposed him to weakening of the vessels in the brain... Any body know anymore specifics on the pseudoephedrine issue

[retropump]

I know that, like any such association study, it raises more questions than it answered. First of all, the increased risk was still pretty small, and the fact that it was only seen in women could easily have been that women are the main consumers of OTC diet pills. The study also did not take into accunt dosage, and even the scientists that did the research admitted that women using diet pills are far more likely to take an excessive dose than people taking cold tablets for symptomatic treatment. And the increased risk was seen in women using PPA for the first time which means that if you've been using, say, adipokinetix for months with no side effects then the risk would be very small for you to continue using it.

I think pulling it off the shelves is an over reaction and that all they needed to do was put appropriate warnings on the containers. I mean, geesh if you take too much Tylenol it'll kill you but they haven't pulled that from the shelves!

[Monster]

Ive never put much stock in FDA advice anyway. These are the idiots who aproved Phen-fen (sp?)!

I just wanted to throw that out there, god knows Im not one to shy away from any sort of chemical! I have the testicles to prove it!! (err, rather I DONT have them)

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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy"

"You cant help my isolation,
you cant help the hate that it brings.
You cant help my absence of faith,
you cant help my everything."

[FitFossil]

It just burns me up when something perfectly helpful to millions of people is taken off the market just because a few people had a bad experience or even died. This is usually the result of not following directions or having some underlying health condition.

What's wrong with a warning? Our world is already so over-protected and over-regulated that very few take responsibilty for their own actions anymore - it's pathetic! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

[Monster]

Yep. Like those high school soccer girls and the herbal ephedrine a while back! One of em died from taking loads and loads of it, and suddenly its so dangerous that even looking at it can cause a heart attack!
(I dont even want to get into creatine)

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That Im crazy?
When I went to YOUR schools,
I went to YOUR churches,
I went to YOUR institutional learning facilities.
So how can you say Im crazy?
They stick me in an institution said it was the only solution to give me needed professional help to protect me from the enemy...
myself."

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