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Waht is up with those? I got to thinking about it when Lobo commented on one of my other posts that it will take at least a year to make significant progress and alot of people think it can be done if a few months. Are the people that are winning those contests bodybuilders who are letting their BFP get high for the before pics and then using muscle memory and a cutting cycle to get to the after pics. The women appear to have not added alot of muscle so are they using gear to maintain what they have while they lose the fat? I just don't see any way that the Bill Phillips plan could make that kind of change in 12 weeks without a little chemical assistance. Do you feel that it is unethical for him to give the impression that it is?
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You can drop a lot of BF in twelve weeks... no question. And that's what they are doing for the most part. But for the true beginner - hell, anyone, building the muscle, AND the conective tissue takes time. Most of the folks you see have been involved in some sort of activity for a while and decide to give the 12 thing a shot.
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M&F Hers has a really interesting article written by Chris somebody or other (Kim C's husband). Its a 12wk diet plan supposedly like the pro's use. I haven't sat down and calculated it out yet in terms of what the intake looks like. There are cardio/training recommendations too. (Cardio starts off slow and eventually ends up 2 60m sessions a day [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] )The diet seems fairly standard with what all the "vets" here recommend but I have a feeling that the cal intake is pretty low. I forgot the magazine today or I would run through the numbers for ya.
My biggest problem with the 12wk transformation scenario is a lot of it seems "one size fits all", you know? The law of individuality has to be considered... My second biggest problem is HOW to MAINTAIN what you did in that 12wks. Most of the time the "dieting" is so restrictive that we rebound and end up exactly where we were before. My guess is a lot of these 12wk before and after shots are doctored...and that they are using some sort of "assistance". Changing your body is a lifetime commitment thats for sure. I do agree that it seems unethical for these programs to say how much you can change your body in a short amount of time...but hey, it is a business and they are there to make $$$. ----- Those who dare to fail miserably, can achieve greatly. - R.F. Kennedy
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The reason that I really question it is that when I first started I did the Body For Life thing which is a pretty good place for a beginner to start but I don't see any way in hell that anyone is making that kind of progress in 12 weeks on that program.
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I have been close to 5 different people who have entered 12 week transformations and have been very successful without drug use. It is all about the diet, cardio, supplementation, and extremely intense weight training. Maintaining afterwards is another story... The rebounds have been pretty sad. It can be done if you focus all your energy for 12 weeks and have a trainer kicking your ass.
I believe a much less painful way to go is a little slower so you can actually have a life and not be so obsessive with the lifestyle change. Of course, most have been motivated by the very nice prizes offered by companies like EAS.
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