Q's on Primobolan Depot and use in women.

[meathead278]

Hello,
I am researching info on primo depot for my girlfriend who has never used any AS. Here are a few questions that i have.
1. How many weeks is a good cycle of primo?
2. Does she need to take anything after her cycle
of primo to prevent any type of adverse side
effects?
3. What type of results does someone usually see
with primo?
4. Exactly to what extent are the androgenic type
properties...would she develop any sort
of mascueline traits while on it?
5. What are basicly the biggest risks for women
that use this product?
6. How many weeks would it take until she started
to see and feel the effects from it?

Thanks for any info giving out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[Cocktails]

The Primo at 1 cc 100 mg a week was a disaster for me. My hair line receded way back and is just coming back now (did it 8 months ago). It hangs around a long time so the sides just keep on coming. Got some fine acne on my back,chest and face. Clit was red, sore and enlarged and I had NO libido at all. Gains where minimal for the sides.

Alot of women have good results with it, I was not impressed. Love the Deca I'm doing now and loved some Test. (Alot of sides with the Test, tho').

How about some Oxandrolone for her? or some Deca

[Trinity13]

Meathead, I have a few questions for you. How long has she been training. Does she do weights? How is her diet? Her diet MUST be in line as should her training before she even decides to use A/S.

Women and A/S is a tricky thing. She should be the one doing the research to decide which sides she is willing to live with should she develop them. Some of the sides are male pattern hair loss, increase facial and body hair, acne, enlarged clitoris, deepening of the voice. While some of the sides are temporary, the increase facial and body hair as well as the deepening of the voice are permanent. Each woman reacts differently to each drug. So basically you have to use it to see what it does for you. If she expects A/S to change her body she might be disappointed if her diet(very important)and her training are not right on.

Wish you the best of luck with whatever you decide.

You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

[meathead278]

Trinity13,
Here are the stats on my GF. She has been training for about 6-7 years now. Yes she does do weights (free/machine). She also does alot of walking/biking in her free time too. Her diet is awsome. And actually that is what she watches the most out of everything.
Cocktails-could you fill me in with why you like to run deca and anavar?
Also what do you all think about winstrol use?
Thank you very much for this great information!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[Trinity13]

Meathead, Thanks for the info this gives me a better idea.

I would suggest that you DO NOT stack for her first cycle. She shoudl know how she will respond to a particular drug before she stacks because if she gets any sides she will not know which drug to attribute it to.

IMHO, She should really start off with milder than Primo. If you can get your hands on it, Anavar (oxandrolone) would be better. Start off slow with 5mg a day for a week or so and if no sides then up the dosage to 7.5mg for a few more days and then up to 10mg and so on. I did very well on Anavar, did not have any sides at all and I went up to 15mg. Gained 6lbs and lost 1% in body fat. So actually gained a total of 7lbs of lean body mass. Also had strength increase which I have kept did the Anavar in Jan. Very happy with the results, will definitely do again.

I also did a cycle of Deca in June 2000 and had great gains but also had alot of sides which if I could do over would not do the Deca. Gained 15lbs and lost 3% body fat. Some of the sides I got were enlarged clitoris, light acne, water retention, hair loss, deepening of the voice, and increase facial and body hair. Not nice.

The hair loss and increase facial and body hair really didn't start to show until about 2 weeks after I had finished the cycle. I cut the cycle short by one week because my voice was cracking like a boy going through puberty. The hair loss has stopped since I started taking Saw Palmetto, but the other two sides, the voice and the increased hair are permanent. I got hair where I never had hair before, very unpleasant and am now self conscious about this new hair all the time. Deca has a long halflife as does Primo that is the reason for me being so hesitant in their use.

Hope this helps.

You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

[AJ]

Cocktails, what is your dose of Deca?? Just curious. I love it too! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

As for the primo, I started w/ 100 mgs of Primo and 100 Deca per week but already had the deepened voice and clitoral enlargement from my first cycle of just deca. I didn't really get anymore sides w/ the primo and deca combined.

Now I've finished with the Deca and I'm continuing the Primo by itself but have upped the dosage to 200mgs per week. Getting no other sides at all. I love the primo, I feel hard and am still noticing muscle growth and more cutting every week. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I think you would be fine starting w/ the Primo at 100mgs per week. If any sides are being noticed then just cut it back. Primo is really good and the androgenic sides are very minimal, in my experience at least... But everyone is different.

Deca is also a great choice but you really have to be careful w/ sides. Is she really ok w/ clitoral enlargement or a deepened voice? Before I started my first cycle I said that if I saw ANY sides I'd lower the dose or get off totally, lol, well that didn't work because it gets sooooo ADDICTIVE from seeing all the muscle gains you end up staying on lol. Well at least I did. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] I have no regrets, wish the voice was still as saprano as before, but its not a big deal. More an issue for everyone else than it is to me. lol.

Keep us posted what you all decide, and cocktails let me know how your cycle is going. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Cya!
AJ [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

[tnheygirl]

I too did not like primo. Just wanted to add that. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Sust was great and cheap!

[AJ]

tnhey...

didn't you get any worse voice changes? just 3 weeks of the sust was a nightmare, i got size gains but omg, my voice was getting worse and worse by the day. i was doing 1/2 amp every 7 days, plus got slight acne, oily skin w/ it and NEVER got that on deca or primo...

[WarLobo]

It's so nice to have such informed members to take these questions [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

LAte

Lobo

[skydancer]

He he he Lobo - You just like us 'cause we are willing lab rats.....

Meathead - I'll put in another vote for anavar as a better choice although I've never tried primo. I tried a very mild short cycle of winstrol (12.5mg ed oral), had good gains but pretty bad acne/oily skin etc. The anavar I do better with at a low dose just oily hair. 7.5mg ed anavar is about my limit - great pumps and increasing lbm but some water retention. At 10mg I had acne again. 5mg ed is going to take me longer but having less side effects is worth it.

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Those who dare to fail miserably, can achieve greatly. - R.F. Kennedy

[meathead278]

Well i think that i am going to start her off with some anavar at 5mg a day. Then in the future maybe primo depot or winstrol.

With those products in mind, what would you all recommend for her to take that is an OTC product or black market during and after her cycle to prevent bad side effects?

And also what else would you all recommend for her to use to reach her goals for this cycle that is OTC or black market during and after her cycle?

Thanks again everyone for being so helpfull. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[skydancer]

Nothing is going to "prevent" bad sides other than not taking a/s.

But you might consider something to help her liver function during this time like milk thistle or SAMe (pricey) or dandelion root tincture. Also its imperative that she is on a good mineral/vitamin regime, drinking plenty of water and of course diet, diet, diet is everything.

Has she tried creatine or anything like that? If she hasn't that might be a route to try before doing a/s.

Also make sure she has specific goals in mind before doing the cycle so she can acheive them...

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Those who dare to fail miserably, can achieve greatly. - R.F. Kennedy

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[Trinity13]

Meathead unfortunately there is nothing she can take to prevent the sides. All she can do is what for the signs. If she starts to get a scratchy throat, then she knows that dosage it's going to affect her voice she can either lower the dosage or stop. If she's willing to live with the deeper voice then she should not go any higher. If she gets acne then she needs to either was twice a day with Neutrogena Facial/Body Wash. If hair starts to fall out, she should start taking Saw Palmetto. Clit enlargment nothing she can do about that except lower the dosage or live with it until she finishes the cycle. Facial and Body hair nothing she can do about that except bleach the hair, shave more often or have laser removal. If she gets oily hair use Nizoral shampoo to help control it.

If sides do start to show up then she needs to decide what she is willing to live with, and whether to lower the dosage or just stop altogther. If she stops as soon as she notices the first side with Anavar there is no reason why it would not be reversible.

I hope this helps and Good Luck to her.

You can not achieve what your mind can not concieve

[archive_FitnessChick]

I am on day 14 of a primo-clen cycle. I will keep you all updated-

FYI, I have done a few cycles. One very mild cycle of winny orals(4 weeks), 2 cycles of winny inj's(9 weeks each), a cycle of winny orals & eq(8 weeks), and currently this cycle of primo.(will be 8 weeks)


I am a big fan of winny---you can see what it did for me, in cunjunctuion with proper diet & training, in my post with my pix. I am a bit apprehensive about the primo-noone seems to be a big fan of it, but hey, noone was into winny for women for fear of sides-& I was taking high doses the last 3 cycles-1cc(50 mg)eod with the 2 inj cycles, and the last cycle with the eq I was using paperstrol at 25 mg e.d. I guess my body responds well, with minmimal sides. Gear & women is an individual thing.


Side-wise, I have been very very fortunate--nothing that was intolerable, acne was never too bad, voice got a bit raspy, but I am still quite a woman.

[tnheygirl]

AJ I only used 1/4 amp every 10 or so days. NOT 1/2 amp every wk. No scratchy voice or anything. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[WarLobo]

"Side-wise, I have been very very fortunate--nothing that was intolerable, acne was never too bad, voice got a bit raspy, but I am still quite a woman."

Sometime I wish you could all see a photo of FC without the scratched out face....All I can say is, well, she IS QUITE A WOMAN. And not just on the outside....

OK, I'm going to puke now, two public complements in one post. I got to back off on that clomid [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

LAte

Lobo

[Temple]

Lobo - you don't have to see her face to know that. There is something about that hair and the body that lets you know that there is a face under there that matches it. FC what do you do to keep your hair looking that great?????

[meathead278]

Skydancer,
Yes my GF has tried creatine (and has done very well on it!). I have her on this new liq. creatine that i got from my work (vitamin store) called "Muscle Creatine+"
by DimaXx. It is the best liq. creatine that i have ever tried, have seen come in a liq. form and also does not bloat you. Plus it gives you a little kick before you train. It contains per 5mL 500mg of creatine monohydrate serum extracted from plants. You should check it out. I'm sure that you will love it!!
Also, why did you recommend SAMe and dandelion root?
Thanks as always. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

	PureCEE PureCEE delivers increased strength, pump and muscular endurance without abdominal bloating or subcutaneous water retention often found with creatine monohydrate. PureCEE uses the finest and purest Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL.

[skydancer]

Dandelion/milk thistle/SAMe all help liver functions...when you are taking a/s you are overloading your liver and making it work hard...these products (you don't have to take all of them just pick one) aid in how the liver functions.

There was a long post about this on elite in the womens section...it might still be there.

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Those who dare to fail miserably, can achieve greatly. - R.F. Kennedy

[Cocktails]

I never see much mention of it, but I use 25 mg of Aldactone 2 x a day. It helps tremendously with the sides. I was already taking it when I spoke to Dr. S. He liked that alot a prescribed it for me.
I also use the Saw Palmetto at 320 mg a day. (Also Dr. prescribed.)
I don't mix the Ox with the Deca. After i finish the Deca, my next plan is to do the Ox with maybe some Winny. Have to do a bit more research.
The Deca is working very well for me. I am seeing the best results yet. This week (week 4), has been Major for me.
My strength seems to be almost unending. I did back today, increased ALL my weight, with ease.
It was GREAT [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I was having such a great time!! I was talking to a male pal who is doing the same thing, except in a higher dose and he was freaking too! Said "Dam this stuff sneaks up on ya!!". He increased his weight with ease also.
My next T-Shirt will have Deca-Man's motto on it.... DECA...It's What's For Dinner! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

[Athena Strong]

help your sides

Sorry for the newbie question but I am interested in how it helps your sides

Thanks

Athena [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[archive_FitnessChick]

Awww, shucks, thanks lobo! I'm blushing.


Temple, as for my hair-I blowdry and curl it as little as possible, since that damages it---I really only do when I am going out or going to work or for photoshoots. I use plain o