Carb Cutter Pills-Anyone ever tryed?

[Cocktails]

I hope this doesn't sound stupid, but a gal at work who is fairly fit, said she uses Carb Cutter Pills for the occasion binge. She says they block absorbsion and they seem to work for her. No bloating, or weight gain after a pizza or beer binge.
I don't drink beer or eat pizza, but i am Italian so every so often I am compelled by the Italian Pasta God, to make a pot of sauce and boil up some Raviolli's or Cavetelli. Could I possibly par take without guilt with these pills?

[Ula]

I just saw this product advertised. I will be interested in hearing some real-life experiences too.

[AJ]

The basic thing that is in the Carb cutter is Vanadyl and chromium... Vanadyl blocks a lot of carb absorption anyways and I take that also. I wouldn't waste your money on the carb cutter itself, just go out and get yourself some vanadyl sulfate w/ chromium in it. The highest dosage I've seen of vanadyl per serving is 10mg's. So thats what I use, twice per day. Its awesome! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

AJ [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[skydancer]

Okay but if its blocking carb absorbtion...aren't you taking away neccessary nutrients? Or are you eating carbs above beyond your basic needs for satiety purposes and taking the vanadyl to block what ISN'T neccessary?

How does the vanadyl block carbs? Does it block any absorption of vits/mins?

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[retropump]

If it's what I think it is, carb cutter is mostly a bean extract (phaseolin) which is an amylase inhibitor. Amylase is one of the enzymes responsible for breaking down complex carbs. I've seen no evidence that it works well in vivo except for the obvious case of some bean dishes that give you gas because the carbs pass through to the intestine where the bacteria have a heyday binge at you expense. If it really worked then we could eat beans in great quantities and not count them as carbs. In my personal experience this doesn't happen!

[Fonz]

Carb Cutter is a scam. It is based on
the conjecture that the bean extract can
interfere with the digestion of carbs.
Which in vivo it just doesn't work.
Furthermore, to however said Vanadyl was
good. Very wrong.
While it does act as a glucose disposal
agent(increases the burning of glucose)
It INTERFERES WITH THE UP-TAKE
OF AMINO ACIDS BY THE MUSCLE CELLS.
Definately not good. Use ALA or metformin
instead.

Godspeed

[Sylon]

What about Citrimax?

Sylon

[Fonz]

Citrimax is a compound containing 50% HCA
(hydroxy-citric acid) by weight.
Anyways, the reason it is being used is that
i interferes with the production of fat once
glycogen stores are full. Basically, it interferes with
the production of fat once ATP stores were full.
Number one, THIS PRODUCT HAS NEVER BEEN
SHOWN TO WORK ON HUMANS. Just rats.
I have used it, and the only thing I can say about it
is that it makes me fuller faster.
Secondly, if you do notice an apetite-reducing effect
its going to have to be at MUCH BIGGER doses than the
recommended. At least 2000mg Citrimax(1000mg HCA)
three to 5 times a day to notice any effects. And
always 30minutes before meals.
Hope this helps.....

Godspeed

[Sylon]

I don't know if it reduced my apetite because I was taking the citrimax twice a day with Guggulipid and Kwik Burn. To be honest with ya I don't even know if the citrimax even did anything for me. I'm going on a cycle of Primo next week ,It will be an 8 week cycle I'm taking 100mg once a week i'm going to do an E/C/A stack with it as well, Do you think I should take citrimax as well?? and if so how much do you recamend I take to get results?? Thanks in advance [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Sylon [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

[archive_MR. BMJ]

Citrimax (HCA) seems to be a hit or miss supplement between each individual. I love using the stuff on my weekend carb-ups while following a CKD, but other than that, I think it is worthless for me. I know others that have mixed reviews on it too. Bottom line for me, it helps my carb-ups by making my carb appetite controllable, and it also helps make my muscles seem fuller and more glycogenated. Nothing really big, but on a CKD, something that helps remotely small helps hugely.
MR. BMJ

[Fonz]

Some people do feel some effects, and if
you're one of the lucky ones you should
feel it after 1 week. Take 2000mg Citrimax
(1000mg HCA) three times a day. If this
doesn't do anything, just discontinue it,
Its fairly cheap now......
ECA is much more effective BTW.....

Hope this helped Sylon.....

Godspeed

[W6]

Citramax is a competitive ATP-citrate lyase inhibitor. The enzyme the makes Acetyl-CoA (the initial building block of fat) from citrate that comes from the breakdown of carbohydrate. Key word, COMPETITIVE which means that when enough citrate builds up, it no longer works. Thus, it never panned out as a fat blocker. Maybe short-term use (1 day) but that's it.

Vanadyl works at the level of the insulin mediated second messenger system potentiated the uptake of glucose into the cell. Some benefit in Type II diabetics, maybe, but not in healthy individuals. In fact, I think one study showed it to be ergolytic (decreased performance). Personally, I think the stuff is somewhat toxic.

Neither are worth a shit as supplements. Just my two cents.

W

[decadon]

Carb Cutter
Product Information

Phaseolamin- (600 mg) isderived from the extract of the northern white kidney bean. It has theability to inhibit Alpha-amylase, the enzyme needed to convert starch toglucose.

Vanadium- (50 mcg) is a traceelement that may function in cholesterol, hormone, and blood sugar metabolism.Most research has focused on its role in improving or mimicking insulinaction and reducing sugar cravings.

Chromium- (200 mcg) playsan important role in regulating insulin and glucose levels, controllinghunger, and in metabolism. It promotes loss of body fat, and also supportsthe retention of lean muscle. It promotes loss of body fat, and also supportsthe retention of lean muscle.

Vitamin C- (60 mg) is anextremely important vitamin and antioxidant that supports the immune systemand promotes healing. Preliminary research has found that vitamin C increasedthe absorption of chromium.

Energy Support- (800 mg)Green tea is a major antioxidant that increases mental awareness, fightsfatigue, and helps diminish appetite. It is also a thermogenic that canpromote the burning of fat and regulate blood sugar. Korean & Siberianginseng help the body handle stress and maintain vitality. They may alsolower blood cholesterol levels and normalize blood sugar levels. Bee pollen& Royal jelly are superfoods that supply key nutrients for energy,combat fatigue, and provide immune support.


Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 tablets

Servings Per Container: 30


Vitamin C (as asborbic acid) .......................................60mg
Chromium (as chromium dinicotinate glycinate) ...............200 mcg
Phaseolamin® (extract of northern white kidney bean) .....600 mg
Vanadium (as BMOV) ...................................50mcg
Proprietary blend:
Green tea leaf extract (20% methylxanthines)
Korean ginseng root extract (5% ginsenosides)
Siberian ginseng root extract (0.8% eleutherosides)
Bee pollen
Royal jelly 3.5X (6% 10-HDA) 800 mg -

	Green Tea Green tea is a plentiful source of anti-oxidents. One of these EGCG has been found to be the most effective at raising metabolic rate.