A True Disdurbance Of The Force

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 11:19 AM

Yeah well, we all are worrying about this and that, we talk about the cosmos, we yap on about clamping down on religious posts, we talk about flirting, and on it goes....

While in the mean time the Feds are busily at work, stripping away our resources, the way we obtain our testosterones, our male hormones that have been deemed the scorge of todays society. 3 good people, people with viable carriers, people with family, people with good income, people who pay their taxes and are my friends, got busted last week ordering anabolics per mail. One tried to commit suicide later that day. We are not talking drug dealers here, we are talking personal supply. I am currently so pissed at this system, a system we are allowing by our inaction, a system imposed on us by the incomprehensible ignorance of an overfed lazy populice, I could screem.

So do I worry about quantum physics right now? No I am fucking mad as hell at the current testosterone hysteria, brought on by our elected leaders. I am so pissed, I can't see straight. Good people have gotten cought, cought up in a shitstorm caused by the combination of overzealous politician with sensationalistic media, good people are being turned into criminals because we are idly standing by as the fat-ass politician are clamping down on the new found villans, us the bodybuilder.

Fuck Them

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-12-05 at 01:32 PM.]

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 11:28 AM

BTW, that means, I know way too many people that have been busted in the past few years, way too many........

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 11:46 AM

And then the police had the audacity to ask them for help in setting up others, in return for more favorable sentencing, to which my boys replied with a respectfully: No, thank you.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

Pharm Animal · 06-12-2005, 11:59 AM

Your friends are honorable. I don't know how else, other than to live in another country, to deal with the testosterone witch hunt.<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How right he was.

____________________
"Never blindly follow the herd." ~PA

"Moderation in all things...including moderation itself." ~Confucius

bigboy · 06-12-2005, 12:09 PM

Mr. N, that is awful. If appropriate sharing the info of how it happened could help others on this board. Domestic, International, were they all the same supplier, things like that.

It may be time to get a doc and a script for those that can. The risk is too high...

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 12:10 PM

The sad truth is that other countries may follow the US. We are easy targets and easliy villivied (roid rage)

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 12:12 PM

It was a sting operation. I know that my friends usually ordered from international sources. The postal service is catching on big time. Be aware brothers and sisters.
Even if you are not the primary target, it looks like nobody is safe. They are going after users as well as suppliers. The old saying they won't bother for one bottle of test is bullshit. Even if they chose not to prosecute, you are still in the dragnet

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 12:19 PM

BTW, they all had PO Boxes

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 12:25 PM

Not too long ago, one of my other friends got set up for get this: ordering HGH, yes sire, Hfucking GH. He sent cash in the mail and they nabbed him on that. Came and ransacked his house, suspecting crank production or some other shit. They got pissed because he had nothing in the house so they had to settle with some minor bullshit charge.....the message is that: if you think you are safe, because you have nothing in the house, if you think you are safe, because you only do a liitle and don't sell, think twice. If you appear on their radar screen and get caught in the net, they will charge you with something in order to justify the expense of the operation.....that my friend is the truth.

Hire a good lawyer when caught and don't ever rat on your friends. Don't corporate, don't speak, nothing. Wait for your fucking lawyer before you open your mouth, period

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

bigboy · 06-12-2005, 01:25 PM

Best advice is to be silent. Say nothing. Be poilte, show no emotion, ask for your rights and a lawyer.

This really sucks for everyone.

rocko · 06-12-2005, 01:30 PM

I'm sorry to hear about your friends. It makes it so much more real when it hits that close to home. I'm thankful for the way things are in Canada, for now, but I seriously doubt that it will last.

Pain is temporary,
Pride is forever.

archive_Bjaarki · 06-12-2005, 03:12 PM

A couple of thoughts:

First, this belongs on the Main Forum.

Second, there are a lot of guys reading this who are thinking of ordering, have just ordered, are sweating out a delivery, etc.

Don't you think, after telling the tale of your three buddies, that you kind of owe it as a mod to your readers to either (1) synthesize and post a list of lessons from these arrests, so that your readers can avoid them, or (2) post more of the raw facts (not putting your friends at risk, mind you) so that readers can draw their own conclusions?

I hate these sky-is-falling posts, unless they include instructions on how not to get hit by the falling pieces.

Bjaarki

First, say to yourself what you would become.
Then, do what you have to do.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 06-12-2005, 03:42 PM

You are right Bjaarki.
However
I know very few details. I do not want to post more, because like I said, I lack specifics. I hope to extract more information as time goes on.

I am a professional. My friends were professionals, at least two of them. The guy who attempted suicide was a loan officer, who also had some other problems. I understand that a stupid steroid bust is no reason to kill yourself, but it contributed to his state of mind.
The second one was a fire fighter. Kept to himself. Very honorable, laid back good ole boy.
The third was a loser. He had done some shady things in the past, so I always figured that he would be cought sooner or later.

I understand that as a moderator, I am expected to post in a manner that should make me appear to be in control. I am posting this as a member. I don't think we can learn from them. They took all the precautions, they kept to themself. So, I am posting this as an attempt to make you understand that it appears to me, as if the rules of the games are changing. It is getting increasingly tougher to remain comfortable with the old, reliable, proven methods of obtaining your materials. Is the sky falling? You be the judge. From my side of the fence, this bust has brought things back in prospective. You all are by definition breaking the law, whether you want to admit it or not, whether you agree with it or not. This remains a fact.

So forgive me for not being able to make you feel safe. They must have screwed up, since they did not take all the precautions, or they ordered too much or something else you could distinguish your methodes from theirs. They did everything right, they protected themselves well. They got cought, plain and simple, no lesson

__________________________________________________ __________________________________
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Benjamin Franklin

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-05 at 10:38 AM.]

archive_Caligula · 06-12-2005, 04:38 PM

I just learned this morning that a buddy of mine who works up at Gold's lost his business. He owns all the smoothie/supplement bars at the 3 Gold's gym locations here. Apparantly one of his pissed off employees who was fired for stealing from him told the owner of Gold's that he was dealing steroids out of the back of his shop. (at least this is our current speculation.) This is total bullshit (even if he does sell them) because he isn't that stupid to sell them out of his shop. And apparantly he decided to drop a couple more names and one was mine and another was my manager..for what reason I have no idea. Me and this guy were always cool. I just sold him a 25cc bottle of tren the other day for $60 too! So, I will more than likely be out of a job tomorrow. I can deal with that cause I hate the job anyways, but I feel real bad for my buddy who lost his business.

So, as you can see...building muscles is bad.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-12-05 at 07:34 PM.]

e-double · 06-12-2005, 10:27 PM

When first reading this sort of post I get upset beyond words. Its a combination of absolute frustration at where things are at and anger for how 'where things are at' is effecting good people.

Just curious what countries have a consistant track record of not criminilizing anabolic/androgen steroid use?

- - - - - - - - - - -
Master the illusion & you master everything.

archive_Bchemist · 06-13-2005, 02:08 AM

I think this thread stands as a good reminder for those who live within the heart of the USA that every transaction you make puts you at a huge risk.

This this is the internet, many people forget that many of us do not live in the States where most of the laws against AS exist. We talk so freely about what we keep in our homes or routinely buy. But in Mexico, Canada, and in my case, the Philippines, the laws are completely different, vague at best, if not nonexistant altogether.

Even here in the Philippines AS has a stigma and people who compete will hypocritically denounce their use as "illegal" drugs. But nearly everyone I know can easily obtain them from their respective sources. If you ask an attorney here about AS, they usually will repeat that there's no law against them. In fact, the only substance that requires an enforced prescription here is Accutane. My doctor made a point to laugh about that point. You can buy Andriol (like anyone cares since it's useless), Insulin, Proviron, Arimidex, Aromasin, Clomid, etc and are all OTC from the big drug chains. Other anabolic substances can be ordered. Syringes of all sizes sit for unrestricted purchase as well. The reason they remain so readily available is because most people can't afford to go to a private doctor to get a prescription.

What I've described is also the case for most nations where I've traveled. The USA serves as a "grand experiment" for this type of law enforcement. The enforcement and defence of AS laws are now big business for law enforcement, lawyers, and many other special interest groups.

It will only get worse before it gets better.

harddtime · 06-13-2005, 03:22 AM

If anyone wants to take some precautions read rick collins boook, it was well worth the money, it goes into some interrogation technques and other things that might come in useful

- harddtime

gwl9dta4 · 06-13-2005, 06:25 AM

Providing they paid with cash for their orders, there are ONLY 3 ways they got tracked down.

1.Most propable. The PO boxes were in their name with the post office records. These records would also show their address, especially if they did not pay for the boxes in cash. All electronic monetary transactions leave a trail that will lead directly to you. So they could have paid for the juice in cash but paid by plastic at the post office.

2. Their computer was being watched by the feds with snooping software and the rest is history.

3. Their source sold them out, but then again they should not have had any info on them.

archive_Bjaarki · 06-13-2005, 06:55 AM

Mr. N, I wasn't asking for any details about the three guys themselves. Details like that are irrelevant. And I appreciate that you don't know a lot of the details of the circumstances of their arrests.

But you do know a few things. You said yourself they all had PO boxes. So, maybe a PO box puts you at risk, or having a pack shipped via USPS vs. FedEx or DHL. That's the kind of things guys need to know. Any other details like that would be useful.

When you're with a buddy in a combat zone, you don't just look around and say "Man! There sure are a lot of bullets flying around!" and leave it at that, do you? You say "Man! There sure are a lot of bullets flying around! So keep your head down, use what cover you can find, and conserve your ammo, etc." Otherwise, what's the point of saying anything?

BTW, I've noticed on several replies here a sense of "Yeah, things are really getting tight." I don't know if this is just me, "whistling past the graveyard" or not, but I wonder about whether or not this is just an effect of the "availability hypothesis," the idea that we take a few specific cases with which we are familiar, and then generalize them to all cases.

Are there really more arrests these days for user-level possession of AS? There should be data out there. Could someone look them up?

Bjaarki

First, say to yourself what you would become.
Then, do what you have to do.

06-12-2005, 11:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pharm Animal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,697 Rep Power: 8658	Your friends are honorable. I don't know how else, other than to live in another country, to deal with the testosterone witch hunt.<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How right he was. ____________________ "Never blindly follow the herd." ~PA "Moderation in all things...including moderation itself." ~Confucius __________________ ____________________ &quot;I seem to want to bang every chick i see, so thats not really all that good - the feeling is... but the chicks i try to make a case for are not.&quot; ~Decaman

06-12-2005, 01:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
rocko Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 370 Rep Power: 6111	I'm sorry to hear about your friends. It makes it so much more real when it hits that close to home. I'm thankful for the way things are in Canada, for now, but I seriously doubt that it will last. Pain is temporary, Pride is forever. __________________ Pain is temporary, Pride is forever.

06-12-2005, 03:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	A couple of thoughts: First, this belongs on the Main Forum. Second, there are a lot of guys reading this who are thinking of ordering, have just ordered, are sweating out a delivery, etc. Don't you think, after telling the tale of your three buddies, that you kind of owe it as a mod to your readers to either (1) synthesize and post a list of lessons from these arrests, so that your readers can avoid them, or (2) post more of the raw facts (not putting your friends at risk, mind you) so that readers can draw their own conclusions? I hate these sky-is-falling posts, unless they include instructions on how not to get hit by the falling pieces. Bjaarki First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do. __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

06-12-2005, 04:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
archive_Caligula Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,123 Rep Power: 9088	I just learned this morning that a buddy of mine who works up at Gold's lost his business. He owns all the smoothie/supplement bars at the 3 Gold's gym locations here. Apparantly one of his pissed off employees who was fired for stealing from him told the owner of Gold's that he was dealing steroids out of the back of his shop. (at least this is our current speculation.) This is total bullshit (even if he does sell them) because he isn't that stupid to sell them out of his shop. And apparantly he decided to drop a couple more names and one was mine and another was my manager..for what reason I have no idea. Me and this guy were always cool. I just sold him a 25cc bottle of tren the other day for $60 too! So, I will more than likely be out of a job tomorrow. I can deal with that cause I hate the job anyways, but I feel real bad for my buddy who lost his business. So, as you can see...building muscles is bad. "That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger" Curious [This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-12-05 at 07:34 PM.] __________________ &quot;A mind is a terrible thing to waste...that&apos;s why Bush doesn&apos;t have one.&quot; &quot;The Harder you work, the harder it is to surrender&quot; Curious

06-12-2005, 10:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
e-double Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 464 Rep Power: 6401	When first reading this sort of post I get upset beyond words. Its a combination of absolute frustration at where things are at and anger for how 'where things are at' is effecting good people. Just curious what countries have a consistant track record of not criminilizing anabolic/androgen steroid use? - - - - - - - - - - - Master the illusion & you master everything. __________________ .................................................. ............ &quot;Know how fi&apos; chat, ya got to know how fi&apos; chat&quot; Shinehead Know Fi Chat 1988

06-12-2005, 11:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	BTW, that means, I know way too many people that have been busted in the past few years, way too many........ __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 11:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	And then the police had the audacity to ask them for help in setting up others, in return for more favorable sentencing, to which my boys replied with a respectfully: No, thank you. __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 12:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
bigboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 7125	Mr. N, that is awful. If appropriate sharing the info of how it happened could help others on this board. Domestic, International, were they all the same supplier, things like that. It may be time to get a doc and a script for those that can. The risk is too high...

06-12-2005, 12:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	The sad truth is that other countries may follow the US. We are easy targets and easliy villivied (roid rage) __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 12:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	It was a sting operation. I know that my friends usually ordered from international sources. The postal service is catching on big time. Be aware brothers and sisters. Even if you are not the primary target, it looks like nobody is safe. They are going after users as well as suppliers. The old saying they won't bother for one bottle of test is bullshit. Even if they chose not to prosecute, you are still in the dragnet __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 12:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	BTW, they all had PO Boxes __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 12:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	Not too long ago, one of my other friends got set up for get this: ordering HGH, yes sire, Hfucking GH. He sent cash in the mail and they nabbed him on that. Came and ransacked his house, suspecting crank production or some other shit. They got pissed because he had nothing in the house so they had to settle with some minor bullshit charge.....the message is that: if you think you are safe, because you have nothing in the house, if you think you are safe, because you only do a liitle and don't sell, think twice. If you appear on their radar screen and get caught in the net, they will charge you with something in order to justify the expense of the operation.....that my friend is the truth. Hire a good lawyer when caught and don't ever rat on your friends. Don't corporate, don't speak, nothing. Wait for your fucking lawyer before you open your mouth, period __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

06-12-2005, 01:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 7125	Best advice is to be silent. Say nothing. Be poilte, show no emotion, ask for your rights and a lawyer. This really sucks for everyone.

06-12-2005, 03:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	You are right Bjaarki. However I know very few details. I do not want to post more, because like I said, I lack specifics. I hope to extract more information as time goes on. I am a professional. My friends were professionals, at least two of them. The guy who attempted suicide was a loan officer, who also had some other problems. I understand that a stupid steroid bust is no reason to kill yourself, but it contributed to his state of mind. The second one was a fire fighter. Kept to himself. Very honorable, laid back good ole boy. The third was a loser. He had done some shady things in the past, so I always figured that he would be cought sooner or later. I understand that as a moderator, I am expected to post in a manner that should make me appear to be in control. I am posting this as a member. I don't think we can learn from them. They took all the precautions, they kept to themself. So, I am posting this as an attempt to make you understand that it appears to me, as if the rules of the games are changing. It is getting increasingly tougher to remain comfortable with the old, reliable, proven methods of obtaining your materials. Is the sky falling? You be the judge. From my side of the fence, this bust has brought things back in prospective. You all are by definition breaking the law, whether you want to admit it or not, whether you agree with it or not. This remains a fact. So forgive me for not being able to make you feel safe. They must have screwed up, since they did not take all the precautions, or they ordered too much or something else you could distinguish your methodes from theirs. They did everything right, they protected themselves well. They got cought, plain and simple, no lesson __________________________________________________ __________________________________ Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. Benjamin Franklin Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice. [This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-05 at 10:38 AM.]

06-13-2005, 02:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
archive_Bchemist Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 853 Rep Power: 6806	I think this thread stands as a good reminder for those who live within the heart of the USA that every transaction you make puts you at a huge risk. This this is the internet, many people forget that many of us do not live in the States where most of the laws against AS exist. We talk so freely about what we keep in our homes or routinely buy. But in Mexico, Canada, and in my case, the Philippines, the laws are completely different, vague at best, if not nonexistant altogether. Even here in the Philippines AS has a stigma and people who compete will hypocritically denounce their use as "illegal" drugs. But nearly everyone I know can easily obtain them from their respective sources. If you ask an attorney here about AS, they usually will repeat that there's no law against them. In fact, the only substance that requires an enforced prescription here is Accutane. My doctor made a point to laugh about that point. You can buy Andriol (like anyone cares since it's useless), Insulin, Proviron, Arimidex, Aromasin, Clomid, etc and are all OTC from the big drug chains. Other anabolic substances can be ordered. Syringes of all sizes sit for unrestricted purchase as well. The reason they remain so readily available is because most people can't afford to go to a private doctor to get a prescription. What I've described is also the case for most nations where I've traveled. The USA serves as a "grand experiment" for this type of law enforcement. The enforcement and defence of AS laws are now big business for law enforcement, lawyers, and many other special interest groups. It will only get worse before it gets better.

06-13-2005, 03:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
harddtime Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 6223	If anyone wants to take some precautions read rick collins boook, it was well worth the money, it goes into some interrogation technques and other things that might come in useful - harddtime __________________ - harddtime

06-13-2005, 06:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
gwl9dta4 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 166 Rep Power: 5423	Providing they paid with cash for their orders, there are ONLY 3 ways they got tracked down. 1.Most propable. The PO boxes were in their name with the post office records. These records would also show their address, especially if they did not pay for the boxes in cash. All electronic monetary transactions leave a trail that will lead directly to you. So they could have paid for the juice in cash but paid by plastic at the post office. 2. Their computer was being watched by the feds with snooping software and the rest is history. 3. Their source sold them out, but then again they should not have had any info on them.

06-13-2005, 06:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	Mr. N, I wasn't asking for any details about the three guys themselves. Details like that are irrelevant. And I appreciate that you don't know a lot of the details of the circumstances of their arrests. But you do know a few things. You said yourself they all had PO boxes. So, maybe a PO box puts you at risk, or having a pack shipped via USPS vs. FedEx or DHL. That's the kind of things guys need to know. Any other details like that would be useful. When you're with a buddy in a combat zone, you don't just look around and say "Man! There sure are a lot of bullets flying around!" and leave it at that, do you? You say "Man! There sure are a lot of bullets flying around! So keep your head down, use what cover you can find, and conserve your ammo, etc." Otherwise, what's the point of saying anything? BTW, I've noticed on several replies here a sense of "Yeah, things are really getting tight." I don't know if this is just me, "whistling past the graveyard" or not, but I wonder about whether or not this is just an effect of the "availability hypothesis," the idea that we take a few specific cases with which we are familiar, and then generalize them to all cases. Are there really more arrests these days for user-level possession of AS? There should be data out there. Could someone look them up? Bjaarki First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do. __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.