cycle review

[davbrucas]

first let me say thanks for such a great board.

trying to put on some mass but without the bloated look. stats...33yo 6'1 195 13%bf. training and diet are taken care of. first cycle in 10+yrs.

test enth 250mg + eq 200mg every M&Th wk 1-10
Dbol 20mg ed wk 1-4
Adex 0.5mg eod wk 1-12
PCT: starting 1wk after last shot
HCG 1000IU MWF for 3wks plus 100mg clomid ed for 2 wks then 50mg ed for 3wks; along with nolva 20mg ed for 5wks.

is one wk to soon to start the PCT given the long ester on enanthate? if you have done a similar cycle, when did you start your PCT and what did you use and how did it go? thanks a bunch.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[archive_METHYL MIKE]

If youre trying to avoid the bloated look why are you combining 900mgs a week of aromatizable androgens with dball? Try switching the enathate with propionate and either drop the dball or switch with something, like anavar. Anavar, eq and prop. That would be nice! You'll need to wait 3-4 weeks to start PCT. A good way to measure is how you feel, one day you feel liek lifting, the next you really dont LOL. Using HCG is at your discretion, personally i would revamp the cycle a bit and use the arimidex at end of the cycle and during the PCT to not only prevent estrogen rebound but also help the clomid get your boys back in shape. But thats just me, I hate nolvadex and always look for ways to avoid it.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[archive_Ulter]

Mike is right you're going to get some bloat with test and dbol, but not the eq. You're not taking enough arimidex to counter that, but I am glad to see that in your cycle. Use 1mg EOD and then you can cut that in half after the dbol. I also agree to push your PCT back a little to 2-3 weeks because the EQ is present for that long. And you probably don't need that much HCG. 2 weeks of that should be fine.
The rest of the cycle looks great. You should do very well with that.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[Mister B.]

I agree with the above, but I think that EQ should be run a little longer...

B

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[archive_Ulter]

Longer than 10 weeks?

[Mister B.]

Yes, IMHO 12 is better. It's slow acting and at your typical 8-10 weeks you're just peaking when you drop it. Just a thought.

B

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"Um... I checked around. The girls are calling you "fatty-fat fat fat", and Nelson's planning to pull down your pants, but ... nobody's trying to kill ya." "

-- Milhouse

[archive_HULK1550]

i never gotten much from 10 weeks of eq, im going longer this time to find out if its even worth me using it again. im at about week 9 right now.

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[archive_Ulter]

I want to come back to this now that I know a little more about you davbrucas.

Why would you shoot your AS on Monday and Thursday when that is going to cause uneven blood levels? Don't you want to shoot that every 3 days or every 4 days?

Your PCT ???
Start the HCG when you're planning, but not the clomid. You're correct that the long ester enanthate. Your blood levels will still be to high at the end of a week for your HPTA to re-engage so the clomid is being wasted. Wait until the end of the second week.
I also suggest using that nolva with the HCG but go back to arimidex 1/day when you're done. Most literature indicates it's much better suited for triggering more test production than Nolva.

Welcome to the board.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[davbrucas]

the PCT should be started after 2wks...typo. as far as the blood levels...i have several friends using the same cycle and only shooting once per wk with great results. but, to optimize blood levels it is best to split up the dosing like you say. every 3-4days is about the best way to dose this regimen since it takes 4 half-lives to reach steady-state concentrations. and given the half-life of this test it will take ~3days. so like you say every 3days would be a good schedule. i used test during my last cycle several yrs ago and only shot once per wk too! gained well, but it could have been better!
you are recommending the adex during PCT? thanks for the continued help.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[archive_Ulter]

Yes, check out the post cycle recovery consensus statement on the top of the board. Arimidex can raise test levels as much as 59%.

[davbrucas]

concensus statement? dont see it...

but in theory it should work as good or better than the typical clomid/nolva, but i assume that you are using clomid and/or nolva along with it or afterwards....as well as HCG midcycle and before PCT? what are the typical doses of adex during PCT? and what duration? guess i should find this concensus statement and read it!

thanks for the continued replies...

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[archive_Ulter]

In the red box in white letters at the top of the board are 3 consensus statements. One of them is Post Cycle Recovery.
I suggest you use 1mg/day while taking your clomid. HCG post cycle is plenty with that cycle. If you want to take it mid-cycle for aesthetic reasons, then by all means do so.

[davbrucas]

thanks a bunch...

good read...

http://www.n0neck.com/Body_Building/...stosterone.htm