Test in DBol enough to support EQ?

[SteelPreacher]

I wanted to do a short EQ run. Nice lean mass etc. In the past I've stuck to prop and have always blown up nice. But this time I really don't want my gains to be that outwardly noticeable if you know what I mean. Will Dbol be enough test to throw in with the EQ or do I still need some prop/cyp whatever?

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[SteelPreacher]

BTW I was thinkin' EQ 125mg eod and 30-40mg DBolED or the same ole prop100 eod with dbol30-40. This time the am Post cycle"bridge" will be anavar instead of bol though.

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[archive_Mickey]

Well, test is always good

However, I totally understand where you are coming from not wanting to get too inflated. I think that 30-50 mgs of dbol would be fine with that EQ if thats all you have.

How about you add around 300 mgs (or even 250) a week of Cyp? I dont think that would add any bloat and it would keep your test levels high enough to grow and more steady than the dbol.

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[archive_Ulter]

Yes you could do that but keep in mind that Eq is very close to being liquid dbol from a molecular standpoint. I suggest you use anadrol so you have something much different than the EQ.

[SteelPreacher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yes you could do that but keep in mind that Eq is very close to being liquid dbol from a molecular standpoint. I suggest you use anadrol so you have something much different than the EQ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
hmmm if thats the case maybe I dont want eq at all. I was really looking for lean keepable gains.

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[archive_Ulter]

Eq will give you what you want. It's similar but not dbol and it doesn't aromatize like dbol which is the key factor.

[Riker29]

Maybe I am misunderstanding something here.

From what I understand EQ is quite long-acting, so using it for any brief cycle is not a good idea.

Plus, "will dBol be enogh Test"? DBol is not Test, DBol will shut you down (well, the way most people use it it will).

So this seems like a not-too-great approach to me.

[archive_Ulter]

dbol is test, in another form. I agree Eq and short term don't usually go together but he didn't define short term and I assume he knows that Eq is a two week ester.

[archive_the truth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
Eq will give you what you want. It's similar but not dbol and it doesn't aromatize like dbol which is the key factor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It does actually aromatize, but it aromatizes to estrone, which won't really have any effect in tissue. D-bol, because of the methyl group at the 17-a position, aromatizes into methylestradiol.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ryker29:
DBol is not Test, DBol will shut you down (well, the way most people use it it will).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Test shuts you down too. Although (as you hinted) d-bol won't (or at least won't shut you down to as great a degree--and there are degrees) if used correctly.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
dbol is test, in another form.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A derivative, and prety close in androgenic effects for most, but I usually like to use test with it if going for a long period. (I have run d-bol with primo with no test with minimal impact on HPTA though.)

[archive_Ulter]

See when I say, "it doesn't aromatize like test" that's the same answer without adding hormones into the answer that people don't know.

I lose the crowd when I start explaining how dbol and eq are similar and how they are different in molecular terms and the convertion of each by AE that cause a rise in E1 and/or E2 levels. For those who are interested in the explanation, it's below.

"It is also interesting to point out that boldenone is also structurally almost identical to methandrostenolone (Dianabol), barring that the latter hormone contains an added c-17alpha methyl group to allow for optimal survival during oral administration. The principal achievement with both steroids was again the C1-2 double bond, which markedly increases the ratio of anabolic to androgenic effect in each case. Athletes however usually fail to notice the relationship between these two anabolics, the two drugs varying in outward appearance so much that use of methandrostenolone is usually isolated to bulking cycles while boldenone is accepted as a mild anabolic for cutting phases. Clearly the more active estrogenic nature of methandrostenolone is the cause for such discrepancy, a trait due to the added methyl group. Although we find that c-17 alpha methylation moderately decreases the affinity of this substrate for the aromatase enzyme, the product here is a different form of estradiol (17-alpha methylestradiol). When we look at testosterone for example, we find that a 17alpha-methylated version (methyltestosterone) represents a more potent form of this hormone. This is because the methyl group does not greatly interfere with the ability of the hormone to activate the androgen receptor, however it does allow it have a lower affinity for the serum binding protein SHBG and exist in a more free and active state (7). Sharing use of the same binding protein (SHBG is also referred to as Testosterone-Estradiol Binding Globulin) and knowing that 17-methylestradiol is near in potency to estradiol , it seems logical to conclude that 17-methylestradiol would be similarly more active (and explain the greater estrogenic potency of drugs such as methyltestosterone, methandrostenolone and norethandrolone). The structural and characteristic similarities between these two hormones however remain evident.

7- Binding of 17-alpha-Methyltestosterone In Vitro to Human Sex Hormone Binding Globulin and Rat Ventral Prostate Androgen Receptors. Wiita B, Althea A, Ackerman and Longcope C. Therapeutic Drug Monitoring 17 (1995) 377-80

[SteelPreacher]

Thanks... yeah I know it takes two weeks to kick in. It will be 8- 12 weeks from that point on most likely. If I don't like the way the bol is working maybe Ill try the anavar that I was going to use for the bridge.

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[SteelPreacher]

...umm yeah you lost me after "It is also interesting..." lol

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[archive_the truth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
See when I say, "it doesn't aromatize like test" that's the same answer without adding hormones into the answer that people don't know.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mentally added a comma between"aromatize" and "like" when I read it.