how long should i wait?

[irgaszm]

i am starting thermorexin this week.

and just started working out about 2 weeks ago but just started working out HARD (2-3 hours) a day about a week ago.

how long should i wait on taking the winny? till about a full month of working out hard? i work out monday-friday and then on the weekends i do my cardio with a small light workout.....

is this a good schedule for winny?

	Thermorexin Thermorexin creates a complete thermogenic, anorectic and lipolytic environment to allow for optimal fat burning. What this means is that it increases your metabolism, helps manage your appetite and increases the use of stored fats for energy.

[archive_Mickey]

I think Bjaarki also wanted to say that you should read this...

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[SteelPreacher]

honestly Mickey you don't know how old irgazm is. He could be 50 or 15 who knows. Monster just posted how some newbies should be asking questions no matter what, and you are laughing. Bjaarki saying this should be interesting is not a go ahead to make it uncomforfortable around here. He was implying that there will be alot of responses and a lot to be learned by irgazm. BTW how old are you my friend? ....sorry Im getting steamed.

I can make you a celebrity overnight.

Winners see problems as just another way to prove themselves! D.T.

[archive_Mickey]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
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Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.



That is what I wanted him to read SteelPreacher, which can be found in the second paragraph of that Veterans Statement, and that is why I gave him the link. That is great that new guys ask questions but I dont give a shit if you are 50 or 15, if you have been only working out for 2 WEEKS as he said you shouldnt be using Thermorexin, let alone Winstrol or any other steroid.

I dont make assumptions about use based on age, I believe that if you are physically mature and know your own body through years of working out then you can start whenever. Obviously he is not physically mature if he has been working out "HARD for one week". Are you kidding me?

I am 3 months shy of my 25th birthday if you must.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

	Thermorexin Thermorexin creates a complete thermogenic, anorectic and lipolytic environment to allow for optimal fat burning. What this means is that it increases your metabolism, helps manage your appetite and increases the use of stored fats for energy.

[irgaszm]

thanks for the reply....

but i think i am gonna wait till after the new year to start taking them

one of my freinds did the same thing.

he is still good today.

so i think i will be aight.... does it make any effect that i have been a big user of X and stuff over the past couple of years and i have done acid on a few occasions.... so i think my body is ready for anythig i can throw at it.

sorry for telling you all this. i just figured i would give yall a background on my body. i am a reformed hippy haha.

i quit doing everything including tobacoo products. and now i am wanting to reconstruct my body.

[irgaszm]

oh yes. and i am 20 years old. turn 21 March 5th

[irgaszm]

and by the way smartass. i am saying HARD for one week meaning i have only been working out HARD (more than 2-3 hours a day) for one week.

which i am gonna continue to do.

i wish people knew how to read and understand stuff before they talk and make smartass comments

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> how long should i wait on taking the winny? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A couple years maybe. And that is not a smart-ass comment...that's the truth. You can make gains just as quickly at your age and current fitness level just by continueing to workout hard and work on your diet. You really don't have a need for steroids just yet. The consensus statement at the top of the page should give you a lot of good pointers as well. Steroids shouldn't be used until you have hit your genetic potential...which you haven't considering you've only been working out a couple weeks. I spent 6 years working out natural before I began using steroids and I'm glad that I did. Your gains in the long run will be much much better if you wait.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

	ASS Nelson Montana

[archive_Ulter]

Your history is important to people being able to help you. Bjaarki is a reformed hippie so we know that it's possible to turn out OK.
You are coming off of a year lay off from training but that's all I remember. Can you give us a little more background on your training history?

[archive_xtinct]

Whatever else you do, do NOT mix X and Thermorexin. Both are CNS stimulants that have a thermogenic effect, so stacking them, i.e., taking both during the same day, could be very unpleasant.

	Thermorexin Thermorexin creates a complete thermogenic, anorectic and lipolytic environment to allow for optimal fat burning. What this means is that it increases your metabolism, helps manage your appetite and increases the use of stored fats for energy.

[archive_Bjaarki]

Actually, I was just being mischeivous, SP. It's funny my post got edited. It's pretty cool. I can say things without ever having to show a post.

I, too, am a reformed hippy, just like Ulter says. You're still using tobacco products? That has to be the first thing to go. Today.

Bjaarki

[archive_Ulter]

I can't believe my eyes. B, you didn't put your post through spellcheck?

[irgaszm]

no i was saying i quit doing tobacoo products.

i quit doing everything. its kinda crazy between the ages of 17 and 19 i was VERY into Panic.

i spent pretty much all the time i had on the road following them from show to show. was a very great time of my life.

but now its time to straighten up and get better developed.

i am gonna wait on taken the winny till the starting of feb.

that will be the 2 month mark of working out.

people have told me 3 months but i mean i have put so much strain on my body in my lifetime of 20 years i think it can take most everything i throw at it

[archive_Mickey]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>does it make any effect that i have been a big user of X and stuff over the past couple of years and i have done acid on a few occasions.... so i think my body is ready for anythig i can throw at it.
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Are you serious?

Bro, you need to read some. I am not trying to be the d!ck here but this is just isn't right. Its not about your body being able to "handle drugs" which is what you seem to think that we are referring to. It is about you using anabolic steroids at a point in your life in which your body will benefit from them and take your physique to another level. You dont even have a starting level right now let alone a physique that is ready to take the next step (unless you are some natural genetic freak already).

I suggest that you stop thinking about steroids and start thinking about training. Read the Training Forum and get ideas on some programs that you can do to build up strength and size. Then do them for a couple YEARS. Get recreational drugs and tobacco out of your life.

I was not trying to be a "smartass" either. I am trying to help you do things the right way and I gave you a great starting point by trying to get you to read the Veterans Consensus Statement that Bjaarki put together. You are the one who acted like working out for 2 weeks and one week "hard" had you ready to take steroids, which is rediculous. Three months from now doesnt change anything either.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[This message was edited by Mickey on 12-06-04 at 03:19 PM.]

[irgaszm]

well i guess u didnt read up in my other thread either then

this is my 1st 2weeks after a year break

this isnt like my first time ever working out.

i was pretty cut up and defiened before i wuit working out. but i got it by just doing push-ups and sit-ups with alot of cardio. i did this because i was never in one spot. i was always out on the road. and was also thinking about my body. so i just did them

does that solve anymore problems???

i repeat.

THIS IS NOT MY 1ST 2 WEEKS OF WEIGHT LIFTING. THIS IS MY 1ST 2 WEEKS SINCE A YEAR BREAK.

-Jason

[Pharm Animal]

You're far from being ready for steroids. Follow everything that Mickey is trying to tell you, I agree with everything he has said.

[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by irgaszm:
...i got it by just doing push-ups and sit-ups with alot of cardio. i did this because i was never in one spot. i was always out on the road. and was also thinking about my body. so i just did them

does that solve anymore problems???
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Regardless of this past regiment, you STILL need to learn how to use weights correctly and build towards your natural genetic potential FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR before considering steroids!

I trained for 8 years, did 5 bodybuilding contests, bench pressed 300+, squatted 400+, and deadlifted 550+ before using steroids. In essence, you're looking for a magic pill. If you still decide to go through with your intentions, no one here can stop you. So do us all a favor and PLEASE LEARN HOW TO DO THIS SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY!

During your road days, you were not pushing towards your genetic potential by doing lots of cardio and calisthenics. Go visit the training board, please.

By the way, do you know enough about the nutritional side of things as well?

[archive_Ulter]

I agree that winny is not going to do you much good at this point. It's better suited to someone with more mature muscle development than you're going to get between now and Feb. It will probably cause you more joint aches and side effects than are worth it. It's traditionally used as a cutting drug in conjunction with other steroids that will help keep water in your joints. Using it alone is not really recommended, even though many people do. You should get your training program together and put on some LBM, cut your body fat down with Thermo's like Thermogenics and work at that through the summer, and then re-evalute where you are next fall or winter.

[irgaszm]

no i do not know about that. will you please fill me in?

i have started reading mens health and stuff.

did you know there is NO side effects of taken Creatine for 5+ years. like no short term or long term effects. its funny how some people think u can't use it longer than 4 week segments

-Jason

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