giambi admits to steroid use

[madmaniac]

at the bottom he says clomid aggravated a tumor he had on his pituitary.


http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3211080?GT1=5826

[bigboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madmaniac:
at the bottom he says clomid aggravated a tumor he had on his pituitary.


http://msn.foxsports.com/story/32110...></BLOCKQUOTE>

FYI, he did not say that. "Medical Experts" said that clomid "can" exacerbate....

Medical experts told the Chronicle that Clomid, a female fertility drug Giambi said he thought Anderson had given him, can exacerbate a tumor of the pituitary gland.

[madmaniac]

yea sorry i was just going by recall. is this true or are they just trying to scare the public?

[archive_Mickey]

I am really interested in to how this is going to shake out. Everyone knew that Giambi took steroids but now that they actually know I am curious to how the public, baseball, and the government is going to react.

I am nervous that the government is going to take a harder stance on steroids and try to either crack down on them more or try to stiffen the penalties for the "crimes".

We all know the power of the media and the BS that they throw at us daily is getting out of control. It has been terribly disturbing to me to see so many misinformed articles written about steroids and their effects over the past year. The article about GH yesterday on ESPN.com is a perfect example. Another good example is in one article on Giambi today it said he shot GH into his stomach and test in his butt, the next article I read said he shot test in his stomach and butt. Its only going to get worse now that there is proof tying a sports superstar to the drugs. I just hope the govt stays out of this issue, though I doubt it with our President being a former baseball owner who likes to trump things that make him look like a good guy.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[archive_METHYL MIKE]

OH MY GOD, JASON GIAMBI TOOK STEROIDS!!! NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!! My entire world is crumbling around me! WHat ever will I DO?!?!?! NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!.....Oh yeah wait a minute I DONT GIVE A DAMN. Its amazing what makes the news these days it really is.

[archive_Loco]

I saw an ESPN story on sportscenter yesterday about Barry Bond's trainer Chris Anderson who supposedly supplied the juice to Barry and Giambi.

People from the gym Anderson worked out at stated that he was very aggressive and would lose it occassionally, going into violent outbursts. The story tried to lay it on thick that he was very rageful. I personally don't believe it for a second. I expect more from ESPN.

[archive_Mickey]

ESPN has bungled this whole case and topic. They have thrown out nothing but misinformation. Dan Patrick said that Giambi got "testosterone that he would inject in his stomach and buttocks". That is just dumb. The article said that he injected GH into his stomach, how did they turn that into test?

I dont know what is more disturbing, the fact that the government is leaking grand jury testimony or the fact that they have a document that says that Bonds paid $450 for a bottle of testosterone!

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[archive_jabs]

I was listening to sports radio and they are now blaming steroids for players going into the stands going after fans & throwing chairs at people. Basically any bad behavior is going to be blamed on steroids from now on and finding away to stop players from using is going to be priority to help protect the fans from the players.

[archive_Bjaarki]

Most cases of player rage have nothing to do with gear, bujt everything to do with what has been called "acquired situational narcissism," a newly identified phenomenon that is beginning to make its way through psychiatric circles. Here's an article from the NYT on it:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Acquired Situational Narcissism
by Stephen Sherrill [NY Times]

We all know that movie stars, professional athletes, rich people and politicians often act like complete jackasses, but Robert B. Millman, professor of psychiatry at Cornell Medical School and the medical adviser to Major League Baseball, thinks he knows why. The cause, he says, is acquired situational narcissism, a psychological dysfunction that Millman was the first to identify and that he treats in his celebrity patients.

Classical narcissism, a personality disorder whose symptoms include lack of empathy, grandiose fantasies, excessive need for approval, rage, social isolation and depression, has been well mapped by the psychoanalytical community. It begins, conventional theory has it, because of an uneven transition between infancy, when we're all natural narcissists, and age 4, when a more realistic view of the world should be developing.

People who aspire to stardom tend to be more narcissistic than others, but they don't develop a true narcissistic personality disorder until they begin to achieve success: the first platinum album, the first appearance in Vanity Fair's ''Young Hollywood'' issue, the first public fling with Winona Ryder.

Because the onset occurs well after childhood, celebrity narcissism isn't covered by the textbook definition of the condition. ''Psychoanalytic literature is filled with jargon about how narcissism happens really early,'' says Millman, ''but I realized that given the right situation, it could happen much later.'' That's the Acquisition.

The Situation is fame, money and, even more, the pheromone-like power of fame and money. ''When a billionaire or a celebrity walks into a room,'' says Millman, ''everyone looks at him. He's a prince. He has the power to change your life, and everyone is very conscious of that. So they're drawn to this person. What happens is that he gets so used to everyone looking at him that he stops looking back at them.''

Before the celebrity knows it, he's having grandiose fantasies, he can't feel empathy, he's full of rage, she's starring in ''Glitter.'' The celebrity has begun to share all the symptoms of severe narcissists.

But there are a few important differences. Both groups suffer from a distorted view of their place in the world, but the tension in the early-developing narcissist is more self-contained. In the acquired situational narcissist, it is also fed by people who surround him. Even worse, the view of the world the acquired situational narcissist is getting is, when you think about it, quite reasonable. ''They are different,'' says Millman. ''They're not normal. And why would they feel normal when every person in the world who deals with them treats them as if they're not?'' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bjaarki

"First, say to yourself what you would become.
Then, do what you have to do."

[bigboy]

The Bonds info today is hysterical....a must read...

Report: Bonds testified to grand jury he unknowingly used steroids


December 3, 2004
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told the federal grand jury last year that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances he used in 2003 were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by the Chronicle.

The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as ``the clear'' and ``the cream,'' two steroids from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative at the center of the steroid scandal.

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Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, said the leak of grand jury testimony was an attempt to smear his client. Grand jury transcripts are sealed and the Chronicle did not say who showed them the documents.

``My view has always been this case has been the U.S. vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client,'' Rains told the newspaper. ``And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly.''

Rains did not immediately comment to The Associated Press, but his office said Friday that he would make a statement later in the day. Bonds' agent, Scott Boras, did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

Giants spokesman Blake Rhodes said the team wouldn't comment and directed all questions to the commissioner's office.

Tony Serra, Anderson's lawyer, said Anderson ``never knowingly provided illegal substances to anyone.''

The revelation of Bonds' grand jury testimony was one of a series of developments in the BALCO probe, which led to indictments against four men in February.

ABC News and ESPN the Magazine released excerpts of interviews with BALCO founder Victor Conte, one of those charged in the case, in which he says he watched Olympic track star Marion Jones inject herself in the leg with human growth hormone. Jones' attorneys denied she ever used performance-enhancing drugs. Conte's interview with ABC's ''20/20'' program was to air Friday night.

And sprinter Kelli White, who has been banned from track for two years after admitting use of several banned substances, broke down and cried Thursday as she recounted in an interview the first time she used THG, a once-undetectable steroid that BALCO is accused of providing to elite athletes. White's comments appeared in the Chronicle, Los Angeles Times and USA Today.

On Thursday, the Chronicle reported Yankees slugger Jason Giambi told the grand jury he injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons.

Before the Bonds story was even published, U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said his office was concerned about the leaks to the Chronicle and asked the Justice Department to investigate.

Dozens of elite athletes testified before the grand jury last year, including baseball stars Bonds, Giambi and Gary Sheffield, and track stars Jones, White and Tim Montgomery.

The probe led to some athletes being banned from the Olympics and left a cloud of suspicion over others, such as Jones, who were allowed to compete despite the investigation.

But Bonds is the biggest star of all, the holder of baseball's single-season home run record of 73 in 2001 and the man who could break Hank Aaron's career homer mark of 755 as early as next year. Bonds ended last season with 703 homers and won his record seventh NL Most Valuable Player award.

It is uncertain what punishment, if any, Bonds could receive from baseball, which didn't have penalties for steroid use until last year.

While discipline is spelled out for positive tests and criminal convictions from 2003 on, admission of illegal steroid use is not addressed, possibly giving baseball commissioner Bud Selig an opening to punish Bonds.

Selig repeatedly has called for year-round random testing and harsher penalties, but management and the players' association have failed to reach an agreement. The contract runs through the 2006 season.

``I've been saying for many months: I instituted a very, very tough program in the minor leagues on steroids in 2001. We need to have that program at the major league level,'' Selig said Thursday in Washington, D.C. ``We're going to leave no stone unturned until we have that policy in place by spring training 2005.''

Prosecutors confronted Bonds with documents dating to his record-setting season of 2001 that allegedly detailed his use of many drugs, including human growth hormone, steroids and insulin. He said he believed he only used legal products to treat arthritis and fatigue.

Bonds danced around questions, saying he couldn't explain a calendar with the name ``Barry'' on it; he had never seen a bottle that says Depo-Testosterone; he had never heard of the drugs Clomid, modafinil and trenbolone; and he couldn't pronounce EPO.

Bonds testified that he didn't think any of the substances worked but kept using them out of loyalty to Anderson, the Chronicle reported. He also said he never consulted with the Giants about what Anderson gave him.

``No way ... we don't trust the ball team,'' Bonds said. ``We don't trust baseball. ... Believe me, it's a business. I don't trust their doctors or nothing.''

Sheffield testified to the grand jury that Bonds arranged for Anderson to give Sheffield ``the clear,'' ``the cream,'' and another steroid from Mexico, but also said he did not know they were steroids, the Chronicle reported.

Bonds said he never paid Anderson for drugs or supplements but did give the trainer $15,000 in cash in 2003 for weight training and a $20,000 bonus after his 73-homer season.

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he ``lives in his car half the time.'' Asked by a juror why he didn't buy ``a mansion'' for his trainer, Bonds answered: ``One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up.''

[archive_Ulter]

What a great final answer to a stupid question by a juror.

I don't know why this is still so facinating to the public. Aren't there enough murder and child molestation trials going on to entertain them.

The sports community is really the one who's out of whack here. I watched Jim Rome, who I hate, and ESPN's roundtable discussion and the talk is just stupid. They talk about taking away titles and stats. Are they going to peel this all the way back to Conseco's MVP 14 years ago? Steroids have been part of Baseball for 20 years and all these guys knew it. They act like this just snuck up on them one day last year.

[bigboy]

Seriously, we have an unjust war, a ballooning debt, high tax rates that pay for nothing, children w/out computers or good schools, homeless vets etc..and steroids get news...sports and acting are glorified way too much...

[archive_Ulter]

Absolutely.

[archive_Bjaarki]

I have a bunch of Yankees teeshirts with names and numbers - Jeter, Clemmons, Williams, etc.. Yesterday, just for the hell of it I wore my Giambi teeshirt. 3 different strangers made comments to me, like "You better be careful wearing that shirt, buddy ....." What the hell are people thinking? Doesn't everyone know that MOST very high level athletes use performance-enhancing drugs, including steroids?

Another reason to just get objective information out there.

Bjaarki

"First, say to yourself what you would become.
Then, do what you have to do."

[archive_Mickey]

Its CLEMENS my friend.

Sorry B, he is my favorite pitcher of all time, I couldnt let you do that to him.

Surprisingly, most people do not know that elite athletes take drugs or cheat. I never believed that they cheated or used steroids until I started learning about steroids and could see the signs amongst the athletes I was watching.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron

[archive_the truth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
What a great final answer to a stupid question by a juror.

I don't know why this is still so facinating to the public. Aren't there enough murder and child molestation trials going on to entertain them.

The sports community is really the one who's out of whack here. I watched Jim Rome, who I hate, and ESPN's roundtable discussion and the talk is just stupid. They talk about taking away titles and stats. Are they going to peel this all the way back to Conseco's MVP 14 years ago? Steroids have been part of Baseball for 20 years and all these guys knew it. They act like this just snuck up on them one day last year.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rome is an unbelievable asshole. His penchant for sensationalism is one of the factors that led to this witchhunt.

[archive_MR. BMJ]

Nothing good is gonna come out of all this. All I see is a bunch of scared, rats trying to point the finger to somebody else. I don't have a problem with athletes using juice, but if they do the crime, they better be willing to do the time. What a bunch of RAT bastards. Sort of like a soap opera. And there are still people on these boards that don't understand why we don't accept source posting. After watching Conte on 20/20, I was pretty disappointed. He said a lot of stuff I agreed with, but as always, a lot of stuff that will be headed in the wrong direction as well. He had a chance to at least give a brief opinion on the safety of these compounds, but he didn't. I'm sure some of this interview were edited, but it would have been nice to have at least something from the guy in regards to AAS safety.

That bit on Marion Jones was pretty detailed. GH, Insulin, THG, and EPO was stated and planned out on a calender brought out during the interview. That guy doing the interview was a real dork, and was just plain aweful...as usual.

The fact that baseball and sports are just now trying to fix this 'problem' like it suddenly popped up is just plain funny. I agree with Ulter. They sure weren't interested in all this when MacGuire and Sosa were bumping up their dead ratings and making them huge amounts of money by their resurrection of the game in 1998.

I have a bad feeling about all this. Hopefully i'm wrong though.

BMJ

[bigboy]

I think it is real bad as well. Society will try to take back sports "for the love of the game" and "for our children". Very bad....

[SteelPreacher]

Republicans say that they are for "less intrusive" government. All Ive seen with Bush in office is the Government becoming more intrusive. What place does the government have in sports anyway. Like bigboy said we have a disgustingly unjust war going on, record debt etc. and our government has the balls to tell us how Baseball, and Football needs to be run. WTF!?! I cant wait to move! Which do you all think is the better option Canada or Mexico? lol

I can make you a celebrity overnight.

Winners see problems as just another way to prove themselves! D.T.