Wife is Pissed...

[archive_Turbo]

I've always been honest with the wife about my AAS use and although I don't advertise it, I certainly don't sneak around. I take care of business when the time comes usually in the bathroom...she knows what i'm doing but doesn't really want to see it.

I've been running 500mg Omna and 400mg Deca for about 12 weeks. I recently decided to extend my current cycle by a few weeks as I just received my synovex (first attempt) and fina (4th conversion) and the necessary kits. She opens one of the packages and finds the conversion kit...first off, my mail is my business, but that's a different story...and flips out.

This is complete bullshit. For my honesty, I get a mal-informed, ill-tempered rant from an ignorant observer. I've been reading and researching AAS for almost 4 years now and I think i have a pretty good grasp of all important issues. I'm aware of possible health risks, side effects, and ancillary drugs that prevent or combat sides.

I've tried MANY times to explain that I've taken an informed and intelligent venture into my use, but to no avail. She's seen too many after-school-specials and episodes of 20/20.

So the answer...I'm reverting to high-school behavior. Remember sneaking around smoking pot, or whatever you did that you didn't want your parents to know about...well that's me again. This sucks.

Bottom line...my body, my descision. I actually probably won't sneak around as it IS MY HOUSE, but I guess a lower profile is necessary unless I want to buy a case of lotion while my test levels stay elivated. ... Opposition from every angle.

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

She opens your package....is where the problem starts. I have too much respect for my wife to ever open anything addressed to her and she feels the same. End of Story.
The fact of having to expalin to her what you are doing should have been done long time ago, which includes home brewing and injectiong your potions. What to do now? Educate and have a reasonable sit down if you still can.

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Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[archive_Caligula]

Tell her you don't want her using makeup anymore. If she is on birth control tell her to stop. If she plans on using hormones during menopause one day, tell her you will divorce her. It's a double standard.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_Turbo]

Mr. Nobody...I did explain long ago, and she was aware that I was using some home brew...IN FACT...she's actually given me injections...she thought it was fun. But now, I guess she just changed her mind.

Good point Caligula...I hadn't considered that. I think her main concern is having children in a few years. I, personally, haven't even decided that I want to, but i'll cross that bridge when i get to it. My dosages have always been mild to moderate and I've always taken necessary precautions so I see no validity in her concern.

[archive_NubianBeauty]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caligula:
Tell her you don't want her using makeup anymore. If she is on birth control tell her to stop. If she plans on using hormones during menopause one day, tell her you will divorce her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL!!!!

[archive_Bjaarki]

Wait a minute. We're talking wives, gear, honesty, and shit hitting the fan here, right? Why didn't you guys invite me to the party? I really should be handling this thread from here on out, don't you think ..... ?

Pardon the levity, Turbo. Is the issue that you're making home-brew? I'm a major stockholder in Finaplix, but that might be a legit concern. Find out what it is that she's pissed about.

I'll tell you, though, as Fukkenshredded once saved my life by telling me:

LISTEN TO HER.

Good luck.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[archive_Ulter]

If you back off she's going to question the knowledge you said you had. Forever. Bjaarki cowered from day one but you had her on your side. You have to get it back by standing up to it. As long as nothing happens to you, and over time, she'll see you were right. You do know what you're doing.
But God help you if you ever have tren cough and she's in the room. As you're trying to catch your breath just start packing.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

and if you happen to get some p...y again, make sure that all the tren is out of your system and have viagra at hand, cause nothing is more telling (to her) then you having a limp dick when it is time to stand up for yourself

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Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 08-26-04 at 09:20 PM.]

[Monster]

Of course if hes stomping around all puffed up going on about her not wearing makeup and no birth control pills he wont have to worry about getting any p***y anyway...

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[archive_Caligula]

Yeah, since she is your wife then you do have to be a little bit understanding I guess.

Talk to her. Find out what she is pissed about exactly. If you present her with the facts and she still is relentless about you not using...then she is just being stubborn and not understanding. Now if you act like a dick every time you go on, break out in huge boils, and fuck the old woman next door when she is away...then maybe she has a point.

My girlfriend doesn't like it per say...but she knows its part of who I am and trusts me. If she trusts the media more than you then I believe that gives you the right to be kinda pissed off.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_Turbo]

She clams up when she's pissed...She usually refuses to tell me what is really bothering her....so WTF can I do. Untill she's ready to have a mature, intelligent, sincere conversation about her concerns, I can't do shit. She's really taking this overboard. We havn't spoken now for almost 3 entire days.

Bjaarki...I don't think the issue is the homebrew. She's seen my fina and component TH in the fridge before and I told her exactly what it was and how I was going to convert it. She didn't like it but she didn't blow a vaginal gasket like this time. I'd listen to her if she'd speak.

Ulter...It's funny you mention the tren cough...I did have an episode this week. She didn't konw about it, but you're right..she would freak.

Caligula...I hate to admit it but I probably should try to talk to her. It's tough when i'm this pissed, though.

Thanks fellas.

[archive_Bjaarki]

What Monster said .....

Be very careful here, Turbo. I, for one, can't imagine what to advise you to do. It's pretty clear that no one else can, either. That's why their suggestions are so lame. As was my earlier attempt at self-mockery.

But I've been married long enough to the same woman (23 years) to know that a marital conflict that looks like it's about gear is probably about all kinds of other stuff, too. Stuff that you don't know about. Human beings are very very deep, and are only occasionally rational. So the conflict is bound to be about all kinds of other stuff, stuff locked inside her heart (and in yours, too, of which you're only partially conscious), and all you're seeing is the pain and fear that bubbles to the surface of this girl, and all you're feeling is your own anger and bewilderment. It is so much more than that.

Sure, sit her down and talk it all out again. Show her the facts again. Don't back up an inch. But if it were about the facts, why on earth would you feel so whip-sawed by her behavior, since the "facts" of your use were so well understood by both you and your wife, and everyone was settled down about it all?

You have a very hard road in front of you, here, Turbo. To bring your marriage out the other side of it in one piece - let's be realistic, there's no reason to assume a priori that you will succeed at that, most marriages end in divorce, and most of those that survive are marked by various levels of estrangement - will require extraordinary sensitivity, tact, patience, quietness on your part. Provide those, if you can. Then, do what you have to do, whatever that may be. Look around for guidance, as you are doing. But don't accept uncritically the counsel of any of the following:

1.) Me
2.) Guys with girlfriends rather than wives

I don't think that leaves you with many choices here. So try to get in touch with Fukkenshredded if you can. He possesses deep wisdom in these things.

Be well, and let us know how it goes for you.

Bjaarki

[This message was edited by Bjaarki on 08-30-04 at 11:39 AM.]

[archive_FitnessChick]

Under Taliban law your wife is not allowed to question your decisions. You should give her back to her family or just kill her.

[PQ]

The issue can't be the home brew. She knew about the brews, your use, she helped you inject and had a good time doing it....and now all of the sudden she's opening your packages and ranting about what's inside? Nah, there's more to it than that. From a chick's point of view here, I think something else has pissed her off or made her insecure and the episode with the package was just an excuse to wail on you. Sometimes it's easier to bitch about the little things than to have the balls to tell you what the REAL issue is. Why did she open the package? That in itself is a problem...but issues of curiosity, insecurity or just plain snooping aside...

Sit her down, calmly with as much genuine concern as you can muster despite being royally pissed...ask her what's on her mind...tell her it's because you care about her, her opinions and because you want to fix this and be happy together. But above all, stand your ground. Don't stop using, don't take time off unless your cycling demands it and make it clear that she must trust you to be wise about what you stack, how long you cycle and what your dosages are. Make it clear to her that you just want to educate her based on your experience to ease her mind. Answer all of her questions about it as openly and honestly as possible. I know this is a lot to ask, but whatever you do don't lose control of the conversation, don't let things get heated and do what you can to be as mature and civil as possible no matter what she says or how pissed off it makes you. If you can give reasonable, civil arguments for your stance and she still insists upon a rant...or if she refuses your guidance out of hand...that's a clear sign that it's not the use that's got her steamed. That's a sign that she's looking for reasons to be upset with you to justify something else. As insane as that sounds, believe me that's how women think sometimes. Stay calm, don't give her anything to get bent over.

A very short time after I met PA, he explained to me what he did, how he did it and that it was simply a part of who he was and that wasn't going to change. He just threw it out there and I knew that he was giving me a window of opportunity if you will...basically saying this is how it is and if you don't like it, this isn't going to work out in the long run. At least, that's how I took it. I realized that on one hand I had PA and on the other I had my misgivings and utterly biased opinions about gear based on a complete lack of knowledge and experience. As you can see I chose PA and have been listening intently to what he has to say about the entire issue ever since. I'm not saying to issue an ultimatum, but if this isn't going to change...make it clear that she's just going to have to trust you, educate herself and DEAL.

Not to pry, but if we're going to help you out where we need to know the whole story. Have you given her any reason not to trust you? When she blew up at you after opening the package, what exactly were her comments? Are you sure it's just that she changed her mind? Because she wants children in the future? I feel like we need both sides of the argument here...

You made the comment that she was going overboard and had been quiet for days. Make her talk to you...the longer this drags out the worse it's going to be. She's had time to run countless scenarios through her head by now. She's had plenty of time to calm down and think things over. On the flip-side, she's had enough time to choreograph her next rant if indeed this thing with the package was just an excuse to wail. Above all, this silent treatment is neither healthy nor helpful (not to mention disrespectful and childish) So what if she clams up when she's pissed...it's not healthy to bottle things up like that.

Based on what you've told us I don't think the problem is you and AS...talk to her, be calm about it...but do some digging.
Good luck to you...

[PQ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bjaarki:
But I've been married long enough to the same woman (23 years) to know that a marital conflict that looks like it's about gear is probably about all kinds of other stuff, too. Stuff that you don't know about. Human beings are very very deep, and are only occasionally rational. So the conflict is bound to be about all kinds of other stuff, stuff locked inside her heart (and in yours, too, of which you're only partially conscious), and all you're seeing is the pain and fear that bubbles to the surface of this girl, and all you're feeling is your own anger and bewilderment. It is so much more than that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly...so hold your ground, be as calm and civil as possible...but dig.

[archive_Turbo]

Bjaarki and PQ...your insight is invaluable. A woman's perspective is especially appreciated. She's been pressing me to come off recently (I don't know why)...and now learning that I'm actually extending my cycle has made her none to happy.

PQ...she should have no reason to distrust me. Infedelity has never been an issue...that's to say I've never cheated on her and I'm sure she can say the same. Despite this, I think she does distrust me. A few weeks agok, I went to Charlotte, NC to visit a good friend. I stayed Sat night, got up early sunday, and came home. Completely inocent beer drinking with friends...no women involved. Short of the current scenario, that was the worst argument we've had. Unless she's still pissed about that, I can't imagine what else it could be.

I still think it's the having kids thing. We "really" spoke about it for the first time last week, but we've always said that we wanted to wait another 3-4 years. I think she changed her mind. I think she wants kids NOW, and the fact that i'm extending my cycle doesn't fit her plan. We can't afford kids now. She's in school...which means she doens't work...which means Turbo pays ALL the bills....which equals no money for youngins...She won't be home tonight as she said she's "Babysitting". Not sure I believe her...othewise I 'd try to speak with her. I guess it'll have to wait till tomorrow.

[archive_PDOGGY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
If you back off she's going to question the knowledge you said you had. Forever. Bjaarki cowered from day one but you had her on your side. You have to get it back by standing up to it. As long as nothing happens to you, and over time, she'll see you were right. You do know what you're doing.
But God help you if you ever have tren cough and she's in the room. As you're trying to catch your breath just start packing.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." -Albert Einstein<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You made me almost piss on myself with that one..

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[PQ]

Ok she got pissed about your weekend trip...does she ever have weekends out and away with her friends? Could she have been jealous or feeling left out? When you're gone does she have enough to do to keep her busy (school work, friends, hobbies, her family etc...) Is she active and outgoing...or does she go to class, come home and that's that? When was the last time the two of you had a night out or a weekend trip...and just got away from it all?

If she's in a shell most of the time, the girl is going to get security issues. Believe me, I've been there and once you start down that road it's hell. Every visit, phone call or comment that you make is going to start being scrutinized, questioned and doubted.

As for having children...why does she want kids NOW? Neither of you are going anywhere, so why the rush? Why not finish school, get 2 incomes rolling, set aside as much $$$$ as possible and THEN start on the family?

Also the fact that you say you're not sure about the babysitting thing is cause for concern. That kind of doubt has nothing to do with gear, privacy, security issues or family planning.

It feels like she's questioning your every move - the argument about your visit & opening your mail. If she's THAT insecure, having a child isn't the way to chain you or keep you. Listen I'm just throwing out every idea that's coming to mind. For all I know it could be something else entirely and I'm here just talking out of my ass...

The bottom line is...you know her and your relationship better than anyone. What does your gut tell you? What do you want from her? What does she want from you...really?

Find out and do what you have to do.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[archive_Turbo]

PQ...nah...she's a homebody. The only trips we've made recently is back home to see our families (same home town). I've encouraged her MANY times to take a night out w/ the girls or take a weekend trip to see her old friends, but she never does. The fact is...she doesn't have many friends. She's got a few class mates that she'll hang with...she went to a movie with them last night...atleast that's what she said. It seems that distrust in contagious. I'm going to leave work a little early today to see if I can catch her home. Thanks PQ...wish me luck.

[PQ]

If all else fails, have her call me... We'll have a nice little chat! LOL!