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[Decaman]

For those of you with visible abdominals that proudly say " I never do abs " your only fooling yourself. Most people won't know the difference but put a set of regularly , properly trained abdominals next to someones who are never trained and the difference is plainly obvious. This just pisses me off so i figured i would vent. I enjoyed the lesson i gave someone in the mirror today- he will be training his abs from now on let's just say. Did i also mention that your abdominals are in the center of your body and if you do not think they play a role other than to look pretty you are again fooling yourself.



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[archive_therealj]

Fine...I'll train them today

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[GymRatNYC]

Abs? What are A-B-S?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Decaman:
For those of you with visible abdominals that proudly say " I never do abs " your only fooling yourself. Most people won't know the difference but put a set of regularly , properly trained abdominals next to someones who are never trained and the difference is plainly obvious. This just pisses me off so i figured i would vent. I enjoyed the lesson i gave someone in the mirror today- he will be training his abs from now on let's just say. Did i also mention that your abdominals are in the center of your body and if you do not think they play a role other than to look pretty you are again fooling yourself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don’t do as much direct ab work as I should, but what about exercises that do not directly isolate the abdominals, but still work them, such as good mornings, and dead lifts, which I do regularly.

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[Decaman]

Ok fine so your working them to some extent, but would you skip bi's because back indirectly works them on some exercises? Doubtful. I don't understand not working the abdominals directly when it is the shortest of all workouts 15 miuntes eod will suffice.



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[archive_Caligula]

I used to do abs about once per month. Then I started training this woman about 1 year ago who really wanted to work abs...so I figured I would do them with her to push her. Well now I've been doing them about 3 days a week for the past year and the difference is very noticable. I'm glad I started working them.



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[archive_HULK1550]

i agree and disagree. I used to do abs before every workout but legs for about 2 years. They did become very developed. Then i stopped for about 9 months and concentrated on gaining muscle. I figured why train abs? they are developed...and they will get maintance work with squats, deads, ect. Then this spring i cut down to about 5-6% and trained abs only 3 days per week, while i was cutting and they looked as good, if not better than ever. So i agree that trained abs look better than untrained abs, but i dont think you need to do them all the time, they tighten up pretty quickly when you need them to if they already have the development.
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[archive_Killer]

I have to admit, I had not been training them, but started about 3 weeks ago. Of course, I have lost BF in that time too, but I think hitting the abs has made a difference.

I like to do them after cardio. Set of abs, hit a leg stretch. A good combo to make sure you stretch and work the abs.

[Decaman]

Yes but notice the original post - these are people that are proud to say the never and have never done abs. Your points are well taken though , however i would still have to say they should be trained weekly even if it's only once. If you notice i didn't say every day i said eod. I am currently training mine every day as an experiment.



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[archive_HULK1550]

training them everyday does work, like i said it worked well enough that now i dont even have to work them at all really and still have pretty good abs even though im bulking. i think fonz said a while back he hasnt trained abs in years and youve seen his pics.

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"
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[Decaman]

I won't comment on fonz's abs- I did tell him when i first saw his pic awhile back he should start to work them heavy now that he had gotten his bodyfat so low- they were obviously not trained with enough resistance from looking at his pic or had not been trained in some time. He did not reply to my suggestion. I think your missing my point about how the muscles themselves look and about the strenght aspect with them. In a case like fonz it would be even more of a shame if he isn't training them especially after working so hard to get his bodyfat so low.



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[charlie brown]

Training abs everyday? How's the experiment coming along??

I kinda thought abs were like every other muscle group and need time to recover too...you don't think training them ed seems a bit excessive? Are you training abs with resistance or with more of a high rep scheme??

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[Fonz]

You train your abs every single time you do heavy squates or leg presses.

Same deal goes with deasdlifts.

If you can't feel your abs being "squeezed" every time you do a heavy compound excercise, you aren't doing the excercise right.

Abs are a factor of diet ONCE YOU HAVE DVELOPED THEM.

I already did my frankly stupid 7 days/week 15 sets of ab routines back in the day, and I'm not repeating the same mistake.

Another thing, Ab density(Or whatever it's called) looks downright bad. Who the heck wants blocky abs? Nobody. I have yet to see a sprinter with thick abs.

And there's bound to be more ab muscle on a 220-lb than a 175-lb'er. Just a thought.

I train abs ---INDIRECTLY.

I thik it was Tony D who said it....all you need to do is learn to keep your abs flexed during the day.....heck I do all the time. It's a thing that I have adapted to doing over time. Too many people let their abs slouch during the day, i don't. And the difference is quite noticeable in the long run.

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---- Fonz 6/2002

[Decaman]

I do about 6 sets with this latest experiment.
Nobody said anything about blocky abs, some density is what I am refering to instead of flat paper thin ( appearance obviously) abs.
Your always training them indirectly unless your training them directly, so you could say your training them indirectly with heavy squats and leg presses. Again this thread was started because of a few fools who declare they never train abs and never have. This was not directed at people who have trained them and developed them. I guess ab appearance and what people like will vary from person to person.
I won't sit here and argue over frequency or amount of sets, I will stand by my assertion that they should be directly trained weekly- that is what will make the most difference in both appearance and strength.

Mentioning diet is stating the obvious



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[Curious George]

I usually train them 2-4 times a week and I should do more. I train only for power as I am not bodybuilding anymore. I want functional muscle.

When you train for strength you have to take out the weak link. The core is usually where people start. I want thick abs and obliques as it allows for a more stable base and a better transfer of power. The stronger you become, the stronger your abs and lower back have to be.

Even though they are stimulated to some extent by heavy compound movements, they still have to be trained to provide functional strength.....and be trained along with the hip flexors as they work in conjunction with the abs. If my hamstrings,glute,lower back can squat 600lbs but I have weak abdominals that are not strong enough to hold the weight, what is going to happen?

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[archive_METHYL MIKE]

Abs? You mean im really supposed to train them? I thought that was a myth you tell lazy bodybuilders to make them get in shape, kinda like the tooth fairy and unerpants gnomes

[Decaman]

Glad you mentioned that george about the strength aspect. I made that point earlier but people were not mentioning it for whatever reason.



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[archive_HULK1550]

Hey decaman,
Im not trying to disagree, i think we are on the same sheet of music after we both made our points.
PS
ABS ARE MADE IN THE KITCHEN!!

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[Decaman]

Undoublty diet is the key for making them visible, no one can argue that point- again not what this thread is about.



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[archive_Spectre]

My abs looked allot better after dropping the belt a few years ago and building and relying on core strength.. But still hit them once a week.