Late night carbs

[Maverik]

OK, here is the deal. I work everyday from 9-5 and go to school from 6-10, so the only time I have to workout is at 10pm. I usually get done at 11pm, eat my meal, and go to bed by midnight.

Problem is that I am dieting and taking my carbs in this late at night is very counterproductive. I can't seem to lose much weight even on 50 mcgs of T3 a day and morning dbol. I have been trying to lose some BF for several months with no success.

Any suggestions?

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Drink your carbs in the form of gatorade or similar in your water while working out. Then for PWO shake have very little and at dinner have none

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[Decaman]

I can't see why if your taking in 50 grmas postworkout of some simple sugars with r-ala why this would be a problem. Then again you didn't say exactly what your were eating. elaborate please.



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This is probably not the advice you wanted but I am in a crappy mood so...

Dont work out at 10pm, instead go to bed. Then you will be able to get up at 6 am and get your butt into the gym. If you eat post workout carbs at 8 am, its no problem.

Arnold used to claim his most productive workouts were in the early mornings. Why not give them a try?

[archive_MR. BMJ]

I would just have a quality fast absorbing whey isolate drink after working out. Take it with you in a cooler and drink it in the parking lot. Then after driving home, showering, etc...consume a regular meal w/ whole proteins and low-GI carbs.

I wouldn't worry about gaining fat unless you are eating more than you are burning off.

BMJ

[Maverik]

Sorry for the lack of relevant info in this post! I was frustrated and wrote it quickly.

OK, the problem is that I am always having trouble deciding on how much carbs I can take in. If I could just eliminate the carbs post workout, I would, but I do not want to lose muscle. I know in order to get the nutrients into my muscles, I have to take in some carbs to spike my insulin. But I don't want to take in too much to cause fat loss.

And with the ALA, it is the same dilemma. I have read from people on this board that it is better to avoid ALA post workout in order to spike your insulin levels. But again, I am trying to lose fat and don't want to take let my insulin levels get too high before I goo to sleep.

I already know what the best thing to do would be, and that's to do exactly what Juicepimp (and his crappy mood!) said and work out in the morning. But My training partner cannot do that, and I hate to do that to him. He is a good training partner.

I guess I will just keep the carbs very low or take them in the form of Gatorade like Mr. N suggested.

The main problem I have is the late night carb cravings, which usually happen at 3-4 in the morning. In reality, this is probably the real reson I am having trouble dieting.

Man, I suck at dieting!!

(Mods, feel free to delete this post. I guess it is kinda pointless.... )

[Maverik]

What do you fellas do about the late night carb cravings?? Sometimes, they are so bad I just have to eat.

[Decaman]

Couple things on the late night cravings-
Immediately consume a tall glass of water, this beleive it or not will help alot sometimes and is the first and best option. Also try a small tablespoon natural peanut butter, again can be very filling and it's not terrible to do when dieting AS LONG AS IT IS 1 SMALL TABLESPOON AND THATS IT!.
Sugar free ice pops always help me you can try those. Bottom line is this if your cheating all the time in the middle of the night(especially with carbs) your going to get nowhere, you can also try making an adjustment during the day and eating some more chicken or whatever protein your taking in as I assume it's the basis of your diet if your dieting. btw i am dieting and i had a craving last night and ate 2 slices of pizza - i did rip the cheese of em first though heh heh.



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[archive_PDOGGY]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Decaman:
AS LONG AS IT IS 1 SMALL TABLESPOON AND THATS IT!.
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Exactly. I can't count how many times I've given this advice and someone said they decided to have a couple of PB sandwiches instead.

I'm like "That is not what the fuck I said!"

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[Pharm Animal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maverik:
(Mods, feel free to delete this post. I guess it is kinda pointless.... )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not at all pointless. This is a common problem. I don't see why you can't have low GI carbs for your post wo meal and drink gatorade during your workout. your body will not be too affected by the late night carbs if you are doing all the right things.

And for chist's sake, DON'T cheat at 3-4 AM! In theory, your body is ready at that point to eat again (the last meal is LONG gone). If you need a snack that early, you can have an early morning breakfast protein binge...take advantage of your raging metabolism to get in extra real-food protein...NO SHAKES!!!

I have found that my body burns more fat and eats less muscle thehigher my protein consumption gets. Trial and error got me to 450-500 grams protein per day during diets.

Good luck, bro.

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[Maverik]

Damn, I just posted a long reply and it just disappeared!! Oh well.

The main problem I have is that after being on low carbs all day, the cravings for something sweet is almost unbearable. Especially in the middle of the night when I am still half asleep and not thinking too clearly. It takes all the willpower I have to keep myself from making a big glass of Chocolate milk. You see, there is this little red devil that is always on my shoulder when I wake up at 3 in the morning with cravings, he always tells me that it will be OK "just this once". But he is there everynight, so I am starting to not trust him anymore...

But really, I think the late night snacks are my main problem here.

I can report that last night went much better. I had a Carbo Force with 2 ALA during my workout, and then my usual 50 grams of whey with a scoop of G-plenish post workout. About an hour later, I cooked up a few burgers on the George Forman and then went to bed. I woke up a little bit hungry in the middle of the night, but I turned over and went to sleep.

Thanks for the help, fellas. I think I needed a push in the right direction and that's exactly what you gave me.

[archive_Killer]

We all have that red devil

Mine last night was my roomate. "Hey, why don't we go get a couple cookies?" Of course, when we get to Mrs Fields the day old bags look so,so good!! I hope you read this, you bastard

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

My "Red Devil" comes in the form of "Sugar Dog". When he bites my ass, I need to feed him. Sugar Dog likes vanilla ice cream with hard chocolate shell, whipped cream and chestnut paste. Throw that at him and he purrs like a kitty.

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[Sal Paradise]

I don't know if this is a good suggestion or not , but it works most of the time for me.
I wake up everynight - especially when dieting.
I just take a couple of sleepingpills, OTC type and IF I wake up I can get to the bathroon and it's back to bed. The only time I even make it downstairs is if the dog needs out and then it's a tiny bit of peanut butter if needed.

Sal

[archive_HULK1550]

whats your diet like during the day? maybe we could work on that so the 50g of carbs postworkout wont matter. you said you were on low carbs but didnt let us know how many and what kind.

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[archive_TonyDelk]

Got here kinda late but if I can make a few comments...

Most of the information about late night carb consumption causing triglyceride formation is bunk. Thermodynamics and your body's biochemical response to insulin pretty much can't be overcome.

In lay terms that means if you are working out at 10PM and consuming PWO carbs,(and you're not a genetically mutant insulin resistant dude) there is very little chance of the body not replenishing muscle glycogen stores preferentially.

After years of ketogenic dieting(CKD's, TKD's et al)I figured out the body needs carbs no matter what context you're training for(fat loss, muscle gain, maintenance). It's the amount, timing and intake of the carbs that must be varied contextually to your specific situation.

If you're diet in on point and so is your training, carb consumption is not going to make or break you. What will fuck you up is combining substrate sources ie sugar(carbs)and triglyceride(fat). Meaning if you eat some simple liquid sugars right after your training with some protein, you're not going to risk anything in regard to fat storage. Now if you eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wonder bread, look out.

Feel free to hit me up backchannel if you want to delve into this a bit more.

TD

[Maverik]

My diet during the day is not extremely specific. As I said, I work and go to school all day, so I don't have a lot of time to cook and prepare meals.

I eat mainly protien in the form of Chicken, beef (steaks or burgers), eggs, almonds, shakes, and an occasional protien bar. I am trying to locate a store that sells natural peanut butter. I went to a health food store yesterday and they did not have it. I keep carbs around 100 grams, and they are usually in the form of a chicken salad or a baked potato, although I try not to eat many potatos because of the GI.

I don't count calories, but I try and eat very small portions at each meal. I have dieted like this before and lost lots of fat. The only difference is that I used to workout right after I woke up (3rd shift) and then I would take in all my carbs within the first 4-5 hours of being awake. This worked great and I lost lots of BF, so the only thing I can think of that is different is the timing of the carbs.

Thanks for all your help fellas. The past two nights have been much better. Hopefully I can beat the red devil and get my abs visible for summer.

[Maverik]

TD, I will e-mail you this weekend about my diet.

I also have some more questions about the workout, I just haven't had time to get back to ya'.

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am trying to locate a store that sells natural peanut butter <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't it pretty simple to make your own peanut butter? I've never tried it but the way I've seen other people do it, it looks pretty easy. I saw a person just cut a whole in the lid on a can of peanuts, put a hand blender in there, and then blend until you have peanut butter.



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[macdaddy]

How about a couple of beers, dark beers, post workout?