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Old 04-15-2004, 01:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Thinking of trying something novel-GLUCONEOGENESIS

Anyone ever heard of it? L. Rea(the guy who wrote building the perfect beast) seems to have come up with the idea, though im not really sure. Basically the logic is simple. Your body can synthesize its own glucose from amino acids if youre not eating enough carbs. Your body then relies on fat in your diet for energy, along with stored bodyfat and a process called gluconeogenesis. So basically the protocol(i hate calling cycles protocols for some reason LOL) looks like this.

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Protein-650 grams. 200-300 from food, the rest pure whey.

Fat-not to exceed 40 grams, will mostly be triglycerides and EFA's.

Carbs-not to exceed .5 grams per 25 pounds of bodyweight, so for me i get a whop[ping 5 grams of carbs ever day.

Now heres the kicker. The only gear i get to use is suspension at 75ED and insulin, something like 10iu's of humalog EOD. Basically the insulin and suspension work as a team. The test boosts glycogen uptake in mucles and fuels protein synthesis and also creates a bit of estrogen, which also fuels nutrient uptake in muscles and creates ne AR receptors as well. The insulin is double edged, it forces the amino acids into my muscles and kills SHBG, so a lot less test is converted to estrogen and the estrogen is also excreted faster. Now i also get an amino acid coctail consisting of 4 grams alanine, 2 grams glutamine and 2-3 grams arginine. Supposedly these are the aminos that fuel the gluconeogenic process of converting protein into glucose. I take in that cocktail 15 minuted after every insulin shot. The net effect is my body synthesizes all the glucose it needs from aminos and runs on fat for energy, so i can run slin and suspension and they will force my muscles to grow, literally. Supposedly its not uncommon to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle in like 21 days. Im intrigued. Anyone else have any thought? Im most likely going to try it, however i wanted to change one thing, and that is run humulin like 10 iu's 3 times a day. That gives me the slin i want without the huge spike i would see from humalog, giving me less chance of going hypo. I also wanted to maybe run some winstrol or perhaps EQ to further enhance notrogen retention. Feedback please...
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Its a very old idea that has started to surface again due to the low carb craze.
The only hang up is that your protien intake has to be really high to force gluconeogenesis to occur.
Its one of those things that looks better on paper than it works in real life... Im not saying it wont work, but its a shitty way to put on muscle, and its extremely dependant on your insulin sensativity and past dietary experiance.
The humulog is a new twist on it, it was done before with a biophasic and didnt need gear included (you could, but it was originally without...), but the protien intake was higher and was almost constant (like every 1/2 hour).
The humulog kind of tames it since youre only under the influence of the insulin for a very, very short period. SO even if you fuck-up youre clear quick. I dont see 10-15 lbs in 21 days though.

BTW, the humulin gives you MORE chance of going hypo. The difference isnt the severity of the spike, just the duration of the effect...

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Old 04-16-2004, 07:25 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I would think that if the 10-15 lbs was lean mass (not water) then your tendons could not adapt to the new stress placed upon them and you would be headed for big problems.
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The original method was a lot more modest and realistic... but you know, you have to consider the source of things. When its coming from someone with something to sell it going to sound quick, easy and with tremendous returns on little effort.
The original made it clear that you would make some good gains, but it would be a living hell or low blood sugar and general feeling like shit.

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Well i think the theory is sound, anyway i really am thinking of trying it. Im going to post on here some cycle ideas i have, my show is july 31st so i have some time hehe.
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