Cutting cycle for a giant..Help!!

[archive_HULK1550]

Gentlemen,
I need your help. This giant at my gym, and im sorry i do not know his cycle history but he has used before, is dieting for a show. He wants to qualify for nationals, but i think its a stretch. Anyways, im looking for advices. This mofo is 6ft 5 and weights 420lbs! he is a giant, im not sure what his body fat is, but he said his lean mass was 340. So its probably slightly over 20. Anyways, what kind of drugs and dosages are we looking at here? since he is so much bigger than people we normally talk about, would he need more to sustain his lean mass? Lets see some ideas for cycles please. He has competed before so training and diet will be in line.
Thanks
H

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"
-Ronnie Coleman

	ASS Nelson Montana

Can't help with the cycle.. But i know some
people at WWE that would like to see him..

420lb Damn..

Doggy

[VOX - DEI]

It would be the same as a normal cycle that us short folk do

[archive_Ulter]

How much time does he have? Has he ever done a National qualifing show before?

[This message was edited by Ulter on 02-23-2004 at 01:42 PM.]

[archive_Bjaarki]

That is a big motherfucker alright. We're not talking here about IronGod's new training partner at Nazareth, are we? Same stats, seems like.

With such a big individual, I would be very concerned about cardiac function and cardiac stress, and think that should be taken into account in any planned cutting cycle. For instance, ergogenics could be risky with this guy.

Why does he want to "cycle" anything in order to cut? Is this just to maintain lean mass while dieting? I would suggest tren, but tren boosts BP and causes airway stress in some guys.

This is more complicated than it looks, I think, because of the high likelihood that there might be some metabolic complication in a guy with this much body mass. Proceed with care.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[South of the border]

How old is he? Can he run?

Maybe this guys should stop wasting his time with a bodybuidling show and get himself an NFL contract.

[Sustbro250]

i can identifiy with this guy, i'm 6'8" 385. currently, i am in the best shape of my life, and also the heaviest i've ever been. i think i found my personal formula for losing fat without losing mass.

things your friend might find useful that haved worked for me:

1. i only eat about 50g of carbs a day, and most of that is from 1/2 serving of celltech.

2. take 2 glucorell with my creatine-protein-carb drink within 6 minutes of finishing my workout.

3. this is key! do roughly 1 hour of cardio a day, 5 days a week. for the most part, its medium intensity, sometimes i kick it up a notch.

4. use a good fat burner, my preference right now is ephedra packed Lipo-6 by nutrex.

as far as drugs, i am only using 40mg of anavar at the moment, but i'm going to be adding 600-800mg test/week and possibly 80mg tren eod.

like i said, this works for me, but it took me a long time to really fine tune it just for me.

	Glucorell Glucorell R helps shuttle carbohydrates into your muscle cells instead of your fat cells by increasing insulin sensitivity and the uptake of glucose.

	PureCEE PureCEE delivers increased strength, pump and muscular endurance without abdominal bloating or subcutaneous water retention often found with creatine monohydrate. PureCEE uses the finest and purest Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL.

[Sustbro250]

i forgot to add, i'm eating anywhere from 450-600g protein a day, and taking arimidex along with everything.

[CanonOfMan]

Damn, 385 pounder only taking in 2200 calories of carbs/protein a day. You must really load up on the fat eh, considering you're putting in an hour of cardio plus your lifting? I'm not even half your size, and I eat more than you to maintain my weight. What gives?

[Sustbro250]

yeah i do have a decent bit of fat. i dont really worry about eating lean beef, and i tend to indulge in quite a few hotwings, i also take a good bit of fishoil and things like that, along with alot of highchain fibers

[archive_HULK1550]

Sorry, i havent been on since i posted that. BJ, he is doing this to prepare for a show and retain muscle mass. Ulter, he has competed but wants to take it to a higher level. His cardio is shitty but he knows that he must improve on that. He is an isulin freak. He loves the stuff if that matters.
Thanks
H

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"
-Ronnie Coleman

	ASS Nelson Montana

[archive_Bjaarki]

Is he still doing slin while he cuts? That's pretty weird .....

[archive_HULK1550]

No, he's not using it now but he says thats how he got to 420. "everything is in insulin management" i know he would take the same compounds as anyone here, im just trying to find out and dosages.

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"
-Ronnie Coleman

	ASS Nelson Montana

[Monster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by South of the border:

Can he run?

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I know I cant run, and he's got 125lbs on me, so without actually knowing him I can safly say he doesnt run. I feel like Ive run a marathon when I walk up the staris! (lol)


The good thing is that Ive found that at higher body weights and especially among the insulin loving crowd (myself being one of them), smaller and less extreme diet changes can make a huge difference.
I dont think drugs are the answer for him. Just diet... (something to help retain mass of course, but not really any "cutting" drug).

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[archive_HULK1550]

Thanks monster

"Everybody wants to be a body builder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight"
-Ronnie Coleman

	ASS Nelson Montana