The "I dont want a degenerative neurological disease from beef" thread.

[archive_Flash]

OK. I'm spooked. I dont believe for a second that the prion that causes mad cow disease has been isolated and everything is fine. Ive read that in humans the disease attacks the brain and spinal chord. I hope I havent already ingested this prion...but the more I think about it the more likely everyone in the US thats reading this has as well. Think about the beef and dairy you consume. Its scary.

Paranoid?

Maybe, but Id rather be paranoid than lose my CNS...unless its already happening (comic relief). I new I should of stayed vegetarian...fuckin karma.

That said, I wanted to start a thread for the health conscious individuals here to help each other avoid this, and try to make sense of whats fact and fiction.

.....TO BE CONTINUED WITH FACT BASED RESEARCH.....

[archive_Ulter]

I don't eat it so I can't comment, or worry.

[archive_Flash]

Do you eat dairy or protein powder from dairy?

Im going to try to find more info tonight on wether it can be transmitted by dairy, in which case protein powders hava a possibility of transmitting it.

heres a little information so far (ripped off from other sites):

a new variation of a rare brain disorder called Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), which typically strikes elderly people. The new variation was called new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (nvCJD), was similar to BSE and its connection to BSE was based on the following findings:

The nvCJD victims had lived in areas where outbreaks of BSE had occurred in cattle years earlier. No victims were found in areas without BSE outbreaks.

The brains of nvCJD victims had proteins called prions (pronounced "pree-ahnz") that were similar to those from the brains of BSE-infected cows, but different from those found in victims of classic CJD.

The time between the BSE outbreaks and the deaths of the victims was similar to the time that it takes for Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease to develop.

Brain tissue from BSE-infected cows caused experimental animals to develop symptoms and brain tissue disorders similar to those of the nvCJD victims.

Let's examine the prion hypothesis more closely. Prions are proteins that are found in the nerve cells of all mammals. Numerous prions are in each nerve cell, but no one knows for sure what the prion protein does. As mentioned above, many abnormally-shaped prions are found in the brains of BSE-infected cows and humans afflicted with nvCJD or CJD. So, the prion hypothesis goes like this:

1. An person ingests an abnormally-shaped prion from contaminated food.

2. The abnormally-shaped prion gets absorbed into the bloodstream and crosses into the nervous system.

3. The abnormal prion touches a normal prion and changes the normal prion's shape into an abnormal one, thereby destroying the normal prion's original function.

4. Both abnormal prions then contact and change the shapes of other normal prions in the nerve cell.

5. The nerve cell tries to get rid of the abnormal prions by clumping them together in small sacs that merge with its "stomach" (lysosome).

6. Because the nerve cells cannot digest the abnormal prions, they accumulate in the lysosomes.

7. The lysosomes grow and engorge the nerve cell, which eventually dies.

8. When the cell dies, the abnormal prions are released to infect other cells.

9. Large, sponge-like holes are left where many cells die.

10. Numerous nerve cell deaths lead to loss of brain function, and the person eventually dies.

Further research in this area may eventually reveal the nature of the BSE-causing agent.

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Is Cow's milk safe? What about cheese?

Although there is a case description in the New England Journal of Medicine (1992) in which colostrum from a Creutzfeldt-Jakob diseased woman was found to be infectious to mice, cow's milk is considered "safe" by the World Health Organization.

In the largest known U.S. outbreak of cases of CJD to date, in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley, the disease was linked to, among other things, cheese consumption.
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How long is the incubation period for "Mad Cow" Disease in humans (also called CJD)?

It is estimated that it may be as long as 20-40 years. But teen-agers and young children have also died of it. So it can occur much more rapidly than previously thought.

An infected cow shows the symptoms of BSE four to seven years after the time of infection.

[archive_Ulter]

I do use dairy products but I don't think, and I'm guessing, that it could survive pasturizing.

[archive_Flash]

prions cannot be destroyed by pasteurization.

Ive found some good news. In britain all nCJD "patients are homozygous for the susceptibility polymorphism of methionine at position 129". This suggests that there is a genetic polymorphism that makes one person susceptible to this prion, and others resistant. Also, being homozygous at a specific site is decreasing the odds of contracting it even further.

It makes me wonder If everyone has already come in contact with this stuff, and only those 1 in 100,000 who are homo at this allele get nCJD...

I cant find anything conclusive on transmittance. Ive read contradicting information, but its the standard "duck and cover" from the gov.

[This message was edited by Flash on 01-03-2004 at 10:43 PM.]

[This message was edited by Flash on 01-03-2004 at 10:46 PM.]

[SteelPreacher]

what about organic meat and milk?

[N-Smith,Dawn]

Honestly I would find it funny to see a guy at the gym with one of those old "Die Big, Die Young, Dianabol" T-shirts at the gym who was now afraid of eating a McDonalds hamburger because of the risk of consuming a prion. I would be tempted to actually punch him in his pussy face.

My fake breasts are the best part of me. Its funny. You boil me down to my most important features and it is 2 bags of saline.

[N-Smith,Dawn]

Flash, I am not saying you are one of those falsely-macho guys who wore a dianabol t-shirt - the same pussys who 2 months after taking dianabol are posting "help me (in a shrieking girls voice) my liver enzymes are elevated".

My fake breasts are the best part of me. Its funny. You boil me down to my most important features and it is 2 bags of saline.

[Fonz]

The Acetyl-L-Carnitine nutrient protects nerves from any type of attack by increasing levels of RhNGF-1(Nerve Growth factor 1)(Nerve cells can also protect thems3elves from outside invaders). Adding R-ALA to this stack(The stack of ALCar+ R-ALA is patented btw and cannot be sold in conjunction) works to de-actitvate NF-Kappa B of any type of nerve cell that displays mutation(engorgement), so that it automatically dies off.

And btw, you´re talking about a human strain of the BSE. Extremely rare.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

	ALCAR Acetyl l Carnitine

	Glucorell Glucorell R helps shuttle carbohydrates into your muscle cells instead of your fat cells by increasing insulin sensitivity and the uptake of glucose.

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash:
OK. I'm spooked. I dont believe for a second that the prion that causes mad cow disease has been isolated and everything is fine. Ive read that in humans the disease attacks the brain and spinal chord. I hope I havent already ingested this prion...but the more I think about it the more likely everyone in the US thats reading this has as well. Think about the beef and dairy you consume. Its scary.

Paranoid?

Maybe, but Id rather be paranoid than lose my CNS...unless its already happening (comic relief). I new I should of stayed vegetarian...fuckin karma.

That said, I wanted to start a thread for the health conscious individuals here to help each other avoid this, and try to make sense of whats fact and fiction.

.....TO BE CONTINUED WITH FACT BASED RESEARCH.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your CNS is composed of a PNS and SNS.

PNS = Para-sympathetic Nervous system
(dopamine)

SNS = Sympathetic nervous system
(Adrenaline and nor-adrenaline)

Prions primarily attack the PNS....this is unknown, and is why they cause encephalitis in humans(Brain swelling)...and alzheimers, parkinsons etc...

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Ulter]

I know I have posted this in the past but...

Did you drive on the highway in your car between August 29 and Sept 1 of 2003? Were you afraid to do it? 476 people died in traffic fatalities that weekend in the US. Will you be worried next Labor Day weekend? If the answer to all of these question is no, then why are you worried about a prion?

[archive_Caligula]

I ate a piece of raw beef the other night that feel off my steak before I cooked it to gross out my girlfriend. I guess I'm an optimist.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[mryanf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by N-Smith,Dawn:
...one of those old "Die Big, Die Young, Dianabol" T-shirts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Awesome. Where can I get one of these t-shirts?

Go home, put on a silly hat…do whatever morons do.

[decadon]

fonz dont you mean cns(central) and ans(autonomic)...ans being sympathetic and parasympathetic(cholinergic and nicotinic)

[charlie brown]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Did you drive on the highway in your car between August 29 and Sept 1 of 2003? Were you afraid to do it? 476 people died in traffic fatalities that weekend in the US. Will you be worried next Labor Day weekend? If the answer to all of these question is no, then why are you worried about a prion? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol at Ulter!

I hoping to benifit from the mad cow fallout. As soon as beef prices drop, I'm gonna stock up a couple year's worth of prime-cut steak in the special mad-cow freezer I'm buying, and then grill them every day on the special mad-cow bbq I'm buying!

Seriously, I could care less about mad cows. Given all the pesticides used on produce and the preservatives in canned and processed food, I would think possibly contracting madcow disease is the least of my worries.

ERTW!
aka the Hungry Wolf

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by decadon:
fonz dont you mean cns(central) and ans(autonomic)...ans being sympathetic and parasympathetic(cholinergic and nicotinic)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, true enough.

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Flash]

Something makes me think I mat be over reacting...

Anyway, the fact that most who suffered from the disease had a genetic predisposition thats not very common comforts me enough. This is makin me wonder how low my test is? I do seem a little bitch'ish.

Wheres that prop?

[archive_METHYL MIKE]

I did quite a bit of research on BSE back in 98 when it was big news, heres what i learned.

Basically its some kind of space disease, it started out as scrapies in sheep, and in cows its called bovine spongifororm enciphilopathy, or BSE for short. In humans its called crutzfelt well you know the rest. Basically when a cow eats brain or spinal tissue from a sheep with scrappies, the bse gets into said cows brain and starts eating holes. When one prion touches another, it turns it negative. When the two touch two more, you have four. Now the interesting thing is that the prions have some sort of negative charge which attracts them to one another. When you get enough of them in an area, they form long unbreakable chains, which are the basis for the holes in the brains of infected animals. The holes get larger and longer over time, and eventually the animal dies a very bad, painful death. Now in humans, same thing, eat meat from the brain or spinal tissue of an infected cow, the same will happen to you, except the process is much longer. If you dont eat cow brains or spinal columns, you should be fine. Oh and also there is strong evidence to suggest we're protected by an inter-species barrier. Of the hundred thousand plus cows to be put down in the late 90's in euorope, there was like 100 cases of the human variant, or it could be lower i forget right now. Bottom line, hell yeah the shit scares me, but i hope for the best, lest we have a MAJOR problem on our hands, like a few hundred million people falling ill and dying and noone being able to stop it. I like to think happy thought myself

"Computer games don't affect kids negatively; I mean if Pac-Man affected us
as kids, we'd all be running around darkened rooms, munching magic pills and
listening to repetitive electronic music."
-Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc.
1988