Fonz's 2-week lean mass/fat loss Blitz

Fonz · 09-19-2003, 09:01 PM

I'm going to be running a very short diary, and writing nin it on a E2D basis to see wether its possible to drsatically alter your body composition in a short time span. Obviously, I will minimize any possible health risks. I will also be taking caliper measurements E2D and weighing myself, and a before and after picture. The before picture is here.

Stats: BW: 176lbs BF% 6.5% H: 5"9

AAS used: 100mg Fina ED + 100mg Masteron ED
Total AAS/week = 1400mg.

Supplements used:

1 Green Tea: 2g/day 1000mg ECGC's/day
2. R-ALA: 1000-2000mg/day
3. GLA at 3g before bed.
4. AlCar sub-Q 1g on no inj. days. or 4g oral on inj. days.
5. Garlic(Aillicin): 6400mcg/meal * 2 AM and PM
6. Taurine(Late PM) w/ milk: 10g
7. Biotin: 15mg/day
8. Guggulsterones: 180mg/day(CHol/LDL/HDL)
9. Policosanol: 40mg/day(Chol/LDL/HDL)
10. Tocotreniols: 1000mg/day(LDL/CHOL/HDL)
11. Vit B100(2 Gel caps)/day)
12. Neurogenex: 4 caps/day
13. P7 Transdermal 7-Keto DHEA

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

South of the border · 09-19-2003, 10:26 PM

What is the objective here Fonz?

Losing bodyfat? How'bout putting some meat on your frame instead?

Your "before" picture should be an "after" picture (and a pretty good one too).

Unless you compete I think going lower in bodyfat is a waste: a waste of lean body mass and a waste of good health.

archive_MR. BMJ · 09-19-2003, 11:36 PM

Hey FONZ, you should think about the trick that FUKKENSHREDDED mentioned on here a year or so ago...You should see how 75mg's twice per day would effect you. I believe FUKKEN mentioned that it was awesome at burning fat compared to 1-75mg dose.

I've never tried it, and i'm sure he could chime in more than I could with this scheme, but it is something to think about...that's if you haven't already done it.

BMJ

Fonz · 09-19-2003, 11:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by South of the border:
What is the objective here Fonz?

Losing bodyfat? How'bout putting some meat on your frame instead?

Your "before" picture should be an "after" picture (and a pretty good one too).

Unless you compete I think going lower in bodyfat is a waste: a waste of lean body mass and a waste of good health.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm going to be running Long-rhGh from a respected UG lab as well. Just started today in fact. Releases 2.2-2.4IU/day for a month.

I want to put on some muscle while losing fat.
Basically, add 1-2lbs, and lose 1-1.5lbs fat in those 2 weeks, while doing my normal strenous cardio routine and weights routine.

And if this sounds stupid you'll have to excuse me, I have looked better. I just haven't been as focused diet wise. I have reached 4.7% BF once, so I know I can drop below 6%.

Its just one of those things you have pride in. The fact you can reach a sub 5% BF.
Not many people can. Takes a lot of effort.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

Life4ever · 09-20-2003, 01:16 AM

Fonz

If one were to use the CHOL/HDL/LDL supps, and was using just because he/she had CHOL/HDL/LDL probs, how long could that person stay on the suppsyou mentioned before taking a break from them? would there be probs taking the cholestrol supps with no break, staying on them for the rest of their life?

Life4ever · 09-20-2003, 01:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MR. BMJ:
Hey FONZ, you should think about the trick that FUKKENSHREDDED mentioned on here a year or so ago...You should see how 75mg's twice per day would effect you. I believe FUKKEN mentioned that it was awesome at burning fat compared to 1-75mg dose.

BMJ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can, please point out the drug or supp to which you are reffering?

Fonz · 09-20-2003, 01:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Life4ever:
Fonz

If one were to use the CHOL/HDL/LDL supps, and was using just because he/she had CHOL/HDL/LDL probs, how long could that person stay on the suppsyou mentioned before taking a break from them? would there be probs taking the cholestrol supps with no break, staying on them for the rest of their life?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can use the Chol/HDL/LDL supps as long as you want. They are not toxic at all.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

Life4ever · 09-20-2003, 01:52 PM

thank you fonz

South of the border · 09-20-2003, 05:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> And if this sounds stupid you'll have to excuse me, I have looked better. I just haven't been as focused diet wise. I have reached 4.7% BF once, so I know I can drop below 6%.

Its just one of those things you have pride in. The fact you can reach a sub 5% BF.
Not many people can. Takes a lot of effort. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its all good fonz. I was just messing with ya.

archive_Nate · 09-21-2003, 04:54 AM

fonz,
just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?

Fonz · 09-21-2003, 08:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nate:
fonz,
just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've played before at 5%. Didn't have any problems. I think 5% is the lowest you can safely go w/o compromising your athletic ability. ANy lower, and your joints,and tendos etc.... get compromised because of the lack of fatty cushioning, and you bruise easier.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

archive_Ulter · 09-21-2003, 10:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nate:
fonz,
just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michael Jordan was measured at 3.5% for 4 seasons in a row 84-88. I was sitting pretty close, 17th row, for every game and I am sure it didn't effect his abilities.

archive_therealj · 09-21-2003, 02:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nate:
fonz,
just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michael Jordan was measured at 3.5% for 4 seasons in a row 84-88. I was sitting pretty close, 17th row, for every game and I am sure it didn't effect his abilities.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

then he finally added a little weight and was able to beat my pistons

...just buggin

archive_Ulter · 09-21-2003, 02:27 PM

His added weight had names. Pippen and Grant.

Trevdog · 09-21-2003, 02:53 PM

Fonz, did you ever run Long IGF-1 R3 and if so what are your impressions?

BigAndy69 · 09-21-2003, 03:26 PM

Fonz, do you modify your diet as you get leaner? If so, how, calories, macronutrient ratio/timing?

I usually start out at 40% c/40% pro/20% fat and gradually go down to 20% c/60% pro/20% fat and then specialised carb rotation when I hit 8% or so.

I've never been under 6-7%, to tell you the truth getting below 10% was a huge accomplishment for me and took a lot of trial and error.

Fonz · 09-21-2003, 05:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trevdog:
Fonz, did you ever run Long IGF-1 R3 and if so what are your impressions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. not yet. I'm saving it for recovery.
I have 2mg of it sitting in the fridge.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

Fonz · 09-21-2003, 05:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BigAndy69:
Fonz, do you modify your diet as you get leaner? If so, how, calories, macronutrient ratio/timing?

I usually start out at 40% c/40% pro/20% fat and gradually go down to 20% c/60% pro/20% fat and then specialised carb rotation when I hit 8% or so.

I've never been under 6-7%, to tell you the truth getting below 10% was a huge accomplishment for me and took a lot of trial and error.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't reduce carbs or my anaerobic endurance suffers. All I can do is change my carb choices to super LOW GI(lentils, chick peas, yoghurt, milk) Nothing over a GI of 50.
And add a hell of a lot of nutrient partitioning agents like R-ALA/AlCar/Green Tea/GLA in massive amounts. AAS only affect protein synthesis rates, they have little effect on glycaemic control, which ultimately affects insulogenic ouput and from that FFA breakdown(Depending on your insulin levels).

I'm running GH(Long acting depot) for the first time so this time it should be quite a breeze, because the Gh will help me shed the fat faster.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

Trevdog · 09-23-2003, 12:33 PM

I thought milk and yogurt contained lots of simple sugars and would be high GI. If they aren't, that's good news to me.

I hope your soccer season will be over when you run the IGF. If not I suspect you will experience a lot of fatigue, although I'm not sure how it will affect your ability to complete the practices and games.

09-19-2003, 11:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by South of the border: What is the objective here Fonz? Losing bodyfat? How'bout putting some meat on your frame instead? Your "before" picture should be an "after" picture (and a pretty good one too). Unless you compete I think going lower in bodyfat is a waste: a waste of lean body mass and a waste of good health.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm going to be running Long-rhGh from a respected UG lab as well. Just started today in fact. Releases 2.2-2.4IU/day for a month. I want to put on some muscle while losing fat. Basically, add 1-2lbs, and lose 1-1.5lbs fat in those 2 weeks, while doing my normal strenous cardio routine and weights routine. And if this sounds stupid you'll have to excuse me, I have looked better. I just haven't been as focused diet wise. I have reached 4.7% BF once, so I know I can drop below 6%. Its just one of those things you have pride in. The fact you can reach a sub 5% BF. Not many people can. Takes a lot of effort. Fonz "Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people" ---- Fonz 6/2002 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

09-20-2003, 01:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Life4ever Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 3977	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MR. BMJ: Hey FONZ, you should think about the trick that FUKKENSHREDDED mentioned on here a year or so ago...You should see how 75mg's twice per day would effect you. I believe FUKKEN mentioned that it was awesome at burning fat compared to 1-75mg dose. BMJ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you can, please point out the drug or supp to which you are reffering?

09-20-2003, 01:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Life4ever: Fonz If one were to use the CHOL/HDL/LDL supps, and was using just because he/she had CHOL/HDL/LDL probs, how long could that person stay on the suppsyou mentioned before taking a break from them? would there be probs taking the cholestrol supps with no break, staying on them for the rest of their life?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You can use the Chol/HDL/LDL supps as long as you want. They are not toxic at all. Fonz "Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people" ---- Fonz 6/2002 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

09-20-2003, 05:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And if this sounds stupid you'll have to excuse me, I have looked better. I just haven't been as focused diet wise. I have reached 4.7% BF once, so I know I can drop below 6%. Its just one of those things you have pride in. The fact you can reach a sub 5% BF. Not many people can. Takes a lot of effort. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Its all good fonz. I was just messing with ya.

09-21-2003, 08:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nate: fonz, just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've played before at 5%. Didn't have any problems. I think 5% is the lowest you can safely go w/o compromising your athletic ability. ANy lower, and your joints,and tendos etc.... get compromised because of the lack of fatty cushioning, and you bruise easier. Fonz "Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people" ---- Fonz 6/2002 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

09-19-2003, 10:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	What is the objective here Fonz? Losing bodyfat? How'bout putting some meat on your frame instead? Your "before" picture should be an "after" picture (and a pretty good one too). Unless you compete I think going lower in bodyfat is a waste: a waste of lean body mass and a waste of good health.

09-19-2003, 11:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
archive_MR. BMJ Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,869 Rep Power: 7960	Hey FONZ, you should think about the trick that FUKKENSHREDDED mentioned on here a year or so ago...You should see how 75mg's twice per day would effect you. I believe FUKKEN mentioned that it was awesome at burning fat compared to 1-75mg dose. I've never tried it, and i'm sure he could chime in more than I could with this scheme, but it is something to think about...that's if you haven't already done it. BMJ

09-20-2003, 01:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Life4ever Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 3977	Fonz If one were to use the CHOL/HDL/LDL supps, and was using just because he/she had CHOL/HDL/LDL probs, how long could that person stay on the suppsyou mentioned before taking a break from them? would there be probs taking the cholestrol supps with no break, staying on them for the rest of their life?

09-20-2003, 01:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Life4ever Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 3977	thank you fonz

09-21-2003, 04:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
archive_Nate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 5724	fonz, just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?

09-21-2003, 10:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nate: fonz, just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Michael Jordan was measured at 3.5% for 4 seasons in a row 84-88. I was sitting pretty close, 17th row, for every game and I am sure it didn't effect his abilities. __________________

09-21-2003, 02:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_therealj Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,439 Rep Power: 8404	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: <BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nate: fonz, just food for thought, dropping under 5-6% bf for athletic reasons is actually going to be counterproductive. are you just going purely for body comp now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Michael Jordan was measured at 3.5% for 4 seasons in a row 84-88. I was sitting pretty close, 17th row, for every game and I am sure it didn't effect his abilities. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> then he finally added a little weight and was able to beat my pistons ...just buggin

09-21-2003, 02:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	His added weight had names. Pippen and Grant. __________________

09-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
Trevdog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 387 Rep Power: 6176	Fonz, did you ever run Long IGF-1 R3 and if so what are your impressions?

09-21-2003, 03:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
BigAndy69 Gold Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 287 Rep Power: 14896	Fonz, do you modify your diet as you get leaner? If so, how, calories, macronutrient ratio/timing? I usually start out at 40% c/40% pro/20% fat and gradually go down to 20% c/60% pro/20% fat and then specialised carb rotation when I hit 8% or so. I've never been under 6-7%, to tell you the truth getting below 10% was a huge accomplishment for me and took a lot of trial and error.

09-21-2003, 05:02 PM	#17 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trevdog: Fonz, did you ever run Long IGF-1 R3 and if so what are your impressions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No. not yet. I'm saving it for recovery. I have 2mg of it sitting in the fridge. Fonz "Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people" ---- Fonz 6/2002 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

09-23-2003, 12:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
Trevdog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 387 Rep Power: 6176	I thought milk and yogurt contained lots of simple sugars and would be high GI. If they aren't, that's good news to me. I hope your soccer season will be over when you run the IGF. If not I suspect you will experience a lot of fatigue, although I'm not sure how it will affect your ability to complete the practices and games.