What is the longest anyone has run tren?

[archive_xtinct]

I used to hate tren because of all the sides I was getting, and I would never have considered running it for a long time, but now that I figured out how to avoid most of those problems, I am loving the results I get on it. Now I am wondering whether there is any problem with running tren for several months. I have been on 75mg EOD for almost 5 weeks, and I will probably do 100mg EOD for another 10 weeks.

[archive_Bjaarki]

I have run tren at 75mg ED for 16 weeks, a lot longer if you consider back-to-back periods of use with 4-6 weeks off in-between. FYI, I never have any sides from tren, or from any other gear, for that matter. The only "side effect" I get from tren, if you want to call it that, is muscle cramping.

Bjaarki

[diverho]

What problems were you facing? And, what solutions did you find for them?

[archive_xtinct]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diverho:
What problems were you facing? And, what solutions did you find for them?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to get bad acne from tren. Now that I am using 4g B5 ED that isn't a big problem anymore. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough that it doesn't bother me anymore.

The other problem was that I used to get fina dick -- or so I thought. At the time I was using 150mg EOD with a very low dose of test and a decent dose of femara. When I started to have problems, I attributed them to the tren, because so many people talk about getting fina dick. In retrospect I am convinced that the problem was that my test was too low and femara is just too strong for me. This time, I am using 1g test WK and no aromatase inhibitor at all, and I have no problems.

The third problem is one that I can't really make sense of. When I was using home made fina, I used to get this tight feeling in my chest. I am not talking about fina cough -- I got that too -- but rather a feeling like there was a weight on my chest making it difficult to breath. Just walking up the stairs would leave me gasping for air. This time I don't have that problem at all. I don't know whether it is the lower dose (75 EOD vs. 150 EOD), or the fact that I am using pre-made tren rather than fina, but the problem is gone.

[archive_Caligula]

I think that Fonz has gone 40+ weeks with it before.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Decaman]

I think the key is running it at lower dosages, and thats what you are doing. When I think back to when tren became very popular again a few years back everyone was keeping under 400 or 500 a week and raving about it. Then higher dosages were being used and the side effects increased dramtically for some people myself included which for me led to complete cessation of it. The acne , mood swings, and just general feeling of uneasiness outweighed any gains i was getting. I probably didnt use it for alomost 18 months until recently when i used 75 eod and was very pleased with the gains AND had virtually no side effects. To me lower dosages with this steroid are the way to go.



DECA- IT'S WHATS FOR DINNER!

[archive_Bjaarki]

I agree with Decaman about the lower doses. We tend too often to treat trenbolone like test, thinking of doses of 500mg/wk and up as being the absolute minimum, when in fact tren is such a powerful steroid - 5 times as anabolic as test, three times as androgenic, mg per mg - that low doses (less than 500mg/wk) are just fine. I've seen guys recently running it at 37.5mg ED and loving it.

Interesting point about the misattribution of sides to tren, when femara and too low a dose of test were responsible. I've been saying for a long time that tren-induced sides are overstated.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[archive_MR. BMJ]

I ran it for about 5 months straight last year.

I noticed most of my sides during the first couple of weeks. Nights sweats were the worst. They subsided after about 2 months though. I was using it after my bulking phase straight into a cutting phase.

I think dieting/fat loss is another factor people associate wrongly with TREN side effects making them feel like crap. In other words, a lot of people will use tren to lean up. Most people feel like crap on a hypocaloric diet and fat burners to join. I feel that they would have felt like junk even without the tren.

Night sweats at first and a decrease in sex drive later on were the worst for me. Although, the sex part wasn't too bad as long as I keeped the test flowing. It did slightly alter it negatively though.

I like my dosages at 75 mg's ED the most and could tell a difference as far as fullness in my muscles went, over that of 75 mg's EOD or 35mg ED. However, 35 ED was better than 75 EOD, and it seemed to cause a little less bloat. All were effective in fat loss and prevention of muscle catabolism.

One good thing about 35 ED is that it is VERY COST EFFICIENT!!! It still works awesome and gives the user a great cost benefit by lasting longer to use up.

I'm still not certain as to whether or not I am sensitive to FINA aromatization though. At the end of my 5 months, I got sensitive to my cycle, but it may have been from the low-dose test....If I had enough money at the time, I would have just gotten tested. I also ran out of Liquidex at the end.

BMJ

[archive_xtinct]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MR. BMJ:
I like my dosages at 75 mg's ED the most and could tell a difference as far as fullness in my muscles went, over that of 75 mg's EOD or 35mg ED. However, 35 ED was better than 75 EOD, and it seemed to cause a little less bloat. All were effective in fat loss and prevention of muscle catabolism.
BMJ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, you are saying that a lower dose will do during a cutting cycle? That is the opposite of what I would have expected. During my current cutting cycle I have been satisfied with the results I got from 75mg EOD, but I am also using winny 50mg ED and 1000mg enanthate. I am afraid that once I stop the winny, the 75mg tren EOD won't be enough anymore, and I was considering bumping it up to 100mg EOD. From your post it sounds like that won't be necessary.

[archive_MR. BMJ]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xtinct:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MR. BMJ:
I like my dosages at 75 mg's ED the most and could tell a difference as far as fullness in my muscles went, over that of 75 mg's EOD or 35mg ED. However, 35 ED was better than 75 EOD, and it seemed to cause a little less bloat. All were effective in fat loss and prevention of muscle catabolism.
BMJ<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, you are saying that a lower dose will do during a cutting cycle? That is the opposite of what I would have expected. During my current cutting cycle I have been satisfied with the results I got from 75mg EOD, but I am also using winny 50mg ED and 1000mg enanthate. I am afraid that once I stop the winny, the 75mg tren EOD won't be enough anymore, and I was considering bumping it up to 100mg EOD. From your post it sounds like that won't be necessary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would go like this 75ED>35ED>75EOD.

The results between 35ED and 75EOD were small, but I got less water retention on the 35...splittin' hairs though.

Yes, I feel that the 35 ED was 'good enough' although I liked 75ED.

If 75EOD is working great for ya, I wouldn't worry about changing things. The results were really minimal, but I just mentioned it anyway. I didn't lose any muscle either way, which is the main thing when cutting I guess...next to losing fat.

I was also taking around 50-75 mg's of Prop per day, and also 50mg's of Winny as well (and T3 and a boatload of Thermos).

I don't think you'll lose any muscle with the Tren and 1000mg of test, especially if your diet is up to par. I thought I would lose some muscle on the calories I was eating (low amount towards the end) when cutting from 75ED to 35ED, but I didn't. You'll be fine big guy.

BMJ

[archive_MR. BMJ]

BTW...The reason I cut down to 35ED was due to $$$$. I had to strech what I had. It worked out fine.

Also, two of the reasons I also got some H2O retention at times during was because:

1.) I wasn't taking a long enough off of the Yohimburn to flush.

2.) Probably aromatization. At the end, my left nip got really sensitive even at my low doses...I still don't know why. It was either due to my running out of L-Dex, the tren caught up to me, or the test, or my Winny was d-bol. I still have 3 weeks of that winny left and will take it and see if it happens again. Should just get it tested though (Old Ttokkyo tabs, 10mg). I posted on this last summer. Don't want to point to just one as I don't know...lol.

BMJ

	Yohimburn Yohimburn ES can help rid you of those unwanted and stubborn estrogenic fat stores.

[archive_Killer]

Mr BMJ,

I think you are correct when stating that many contribute side effects to the tren (or another anabolic) instead of his/her diet. I ran tren while gaining and cutting. When cutting, I was/am cranky as hell. Some would say an ass at times. If that is the only time I had used tren, I may associate the increased aggrivation to it, not dieting itself. Same with lack of sleep.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caligula:
I think that Fonz has gone 40+ weeks with it before.

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/images/caligula.jpg

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

54 weeks to be exact.

Jumping on the bandwagon again because I want to try a litle 2-week Blitz experiment for fat loss.

100mg Tren ED + 100mg Masteron ED + 50mg Proviron ED for 2 weeks. Eat clean as hell. Train 3X/week and do my usual soccer routine...plus all the other stuff I take.
Its more AAA(1.75g/week) than I'm used to(1g/week), but I'm at a damn sticking point(6%BF). This 2-week Blitz will get me down to 4.5-5% I think, at around 180lbs.

(I think I should put a disclaimer on this....lol)

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Caligula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but I'm at a damn sticking point(6%BF). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fatass...



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[diverho]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bjaarki:
I agree with Decaman about the lower doses. We tend too often to treat trenbolone like test, thinking of doses of 500mg/wk and up as being the absolute minimum, when in fact tren is such a powerful steroid - 5 times as anabolic as test, three times as androgenic, mg per mg - that low doses (less than 500mg/wk) are just fine. I've seen guys recently running it at 37.5mg ED and loving it.

Interesting point about the misattribution of sides to tren, when femara and too low a dose of test were responsible. I've been saying for a long time that tren-induced sides are overstated.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, if tren is 5x as anabolic and 3x as androgenic, can we naively say that it's 4x more effective overall? And, therefore, tren is roughly equivalent to 4x the dose of test? If so, is tren's legendary effectiveness 90% due to simply a high equivalent dose? e.g. 75mg/ed of tren is roughly equivalent to 75*4*7 = 2100mg/w of test? (I know that this is a grossly oversimplified calculation, but it should give the right order of magnitude..., i.e. it's not 210mg/w and it's not 21,000mg/w of test)... no wonder people think it's so effective. And, furthermore, no wonder so many people complain of the sides...

Bjaarki, what do you mean about femara and too low a dose of test? Will an adequate dosage of femara counter fina sides?

-D

[Stillgoing]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diverho:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bjaarki:
I agree with Decaman about the lower doses. We tend too often to treat trenbolone like test, thinking of doses of 500mg/wk and up as being the absolute minimum, when in fact tren is such a powerful steroid - 5 times as anabolic as test, three times as androgenic, mg per mg - that low doses (less than 500mg/wk) are just fine. I've seen guys recently running it at 37.5mg ED and loving it.

Interesting point about the misattribution of sides to tren, when femara and too low a dose of test were responsible. I've been saying for a long time that tren-induced sides are overstated.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, if tren is 5x as anabolic and 3x as androgenic, can we naively say that it's 4x more effective overall? And, therefore, tren is roughly equivalent to 4x the dose of test? If so, is tren's legendary effectiveness 90% due to simply a high equivalent dose? e.g. 75mg/ed of tren is roughly equivalent to 75*4*7 = 2100mg/w of test? (I know that this is a grossly oversimplified calculation, but it should give the right order of magnitude..., i.e. it's not 210mg/w and it's not 21,000mg/w of test)... no wonder people think it's so effective. And, furthermore, no wonder so many people complain of the sides...

Bjaarki, what do you mean about femara and too low a dose of test? Will an adequate dosage of femara counter fina sides?

-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know where these fina myths come from. Maybe because bros think its cool that they get to mix it up in their kitchen?? I've used most everything and have like 30 cycles under my belt (or in my ass I guess!!) and I find fina (I've only run up to 75mg ED) to be extremely effective, but, mainly for assisting in fat loss and promotion of the hard look. I call it a turbocharged primo or similar to a winstrol in effect. No strength increase, no weight gain (but fat loss and maintainance of weight). Its a great drug, one of my favs. But multiples more effective than others? NOPE. And side effects, well I've had night sweats and I get the weird alcohol taste in the back of my throat after injects sometimes, but, I find that r-ALA really reduces these sides.

	ASS Nelson Montana

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[diverho]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stillgoing:
I find fina (I've only run up to 75mg ED) to be extremely effective, but, mainly for assisting in fat loss and promotion of the hard look. I call it a turbocharged primo or similar to a winstrol in effect. No strength increase, no weight gain (but fat loss and maintainance of weight). Its a great drug, one of my favs. But multiples more effective than others? NOPE. And side effects, well I've had night sweats and I get the weird alcohol taste in the back of my throat after injects sometimes, but, I find that r-ALA really reduces these sides.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think your observations basically argues against the simple "androgen/androgen receptor" model, which I suppose, doesn't surprise me.

BTW, is there a anabolic receptor?

-D

	Glucorell Glucorell R helps shuttle carbohydrates into your muscle cells instead of your fat cells by increasing insulin sensitivity and the uptake of glucose.

[archive_Cyp]

12 weeks I wish i could stay on all the time but its powerfull gear, which equals in sides. My cholesterol was high, moody and BIG time INSOMINIA (p7 helped). I would suggest the dbol bridge.

	P Seven P-SEVEN is a topical mood enhancer. It also has immune and a metabolic acceleration effects.