Anavar/Winny Cycle for Athlete...Evaluate Please

[CanonOfMan]

Alright guys, I've been using the search capabilities quite a bit and feel I've read damn near every thread in regards to anavar. What i'm trying to figure out is the cycle that is right for me, and this board abounds with many who are experienced with anavar, which I want to use, and winny, which i'm a little more unsure of.

I'm in between 145-150 at 5'10" and right around 10% bodyfat. I am a cyclist whose goals are to increase my max squat, deadlift, and amount of pull ups I can do, all to help increase my top speed. I've recently done 255 for 6 reps on the deads and 215 for 5 on the squats. I'd like to run a 10 week cycle while putting on about 5 - 7 pounds of muscle and possibly losing 3 - 7 pounds of fat. During the cycle i'll be mainly doing olympic type movements at strength type reps, such as under 6. Other things that will be coming in are plyometrics and sprints while both on and off the bike. After this cycle i'll be doing an aerobic base for 10 - 12 weeks clean while trying to maintain as much of my strength gains as possible. Then comes another on phase to go with a more anaerobic type cycle.

If somebody put a gun to my head today and made me choose a cycle i'd keep it simple, as follows.

Weeks 1 - 10
Papervar @ 40mgs/day
Have seen numbers from .125mg/lb to .7mg/kg anybody have any more number suggestions?

Weeks 3 - 8
Paperstrol @ 30mgs/day
Anybody have any mg/lb ratios to go off of?

Weeks 11 - 13
Clomid 200mg first day
Clomid 100mg day 2-7
Clomid 50mg day 8-14
Clomid 50mg eod 15-21

The reason I was waiting a couple weeks in to start the winny is that i've read a lot of articles stating the var helps with the tendon/ligament synthesis and though the winstrol does increase collagen synthesis dramatically, it doesn't increase collagen cross linking like anavar does. I can't afford a ligament injury, not that anybody really can, but that was my reason to wait on the winny as I felt the ox would have already helped increase my connective tissue strength.

Please give me your opinions, based on what i'm looking to do, which is stay at the same or nearly the same weight, while just increasing strength. Test is not off limits and I think I could keep my weight down with the right diet, BUT i've heard a lot of athletes complaining of debilitating pumps while running/cycling that lead to tears and basically an overall digression.

If this cycle is not yet worthy of an honest evaluation please give me a link or something to read, as I feel i've run out of word combos to use on the advanced search engine on here and am having trouble find more new information.

[archive_Ulter]

You need more than that. The Papervar is good but underdosed. You'll need at least twice what you have written there because it's about 50% light.
Which of course means the same for your paperwinny. Which is too low at 30mg and should be 50mg. So you actually need 100mg to get the 50mg.

[archive_Flash]

I'll bet I can help, but Ive got a few questions first.

What kind of cycling?

Are you tested?

Have you used AAS before?

Have you been training in an olympic/powerlifting style long?

When you say you want to increase your top speed, What do you mean? Is it your spin, your sprint, or more like a time trial application?

[CanonOfMan]

Ulter,

Sounds like the paper products are suddenly twice as expensive, damn. Well, nothing has been bought yet, so that's a plus. It sounds like this guy is a bit different batch to batch eh? In the past he seemed to be getting rave reviews across this board, according to searches I made. Well, save my pennies, play around with my hormones via supplements and diet more, and then cycle when the anaerobic cycle hits. More time for research. Can you think of other things that may be of interest for my goals, possibly EQ and Winny? Other athlete oriented cycles?

Flash, the cycling is time trial oriented. It's my weakest event in triathlon and I want to focus on it till it's my strongest since the bike portion makes up the most time and therefore skews the results the most. There is no testing being done, currently anyways. I'd like to stay away from things like Deca as I just can't say where I'll be in a couple years from now and can't say how much more advanced tests will be a couple years from now. I've never used before, just been interested and researching for the past five or six years for several month bursts at a time. I havn't been training in the olympic/powerlifting style for long. I'm not using bands or chains, but I do have the form for deadlifting and squatting down to where I feel comfortable and confident at any weight I choose to move, so long as it isn't over my max of course. Moving my torso through space just makes more sense for me being an athlete, balance wise, and that seems to be what many of these lifts are about. I prefer a weighted pull up over a pulldown anyday and a weighted push up over a bench because of this line of thinking. On the bike my spinning capabilities are decent, i'm comfortable for long periods of time, like over half an hour, at cadences approaching 125, and I don't lose control until I hit about 145. I appreciate anything you have to say, and would be interested in anybody's past workouts that have helped their vertical jump.

[archive_MR. BMJ]

Dammit...I didn't know that the paper products (in particular the winny) was 50% underdosed????

That licks some major a$$

BMJ

[CanonOfMan]

Mr. BMJ,

It sounds like you already bit, which is dissapointing, however, i'll definitely be interested in how your cycle goes if i'm not mistaken in my estimation.

[WI]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
You need more than that. The Papervar is good but underdosed. You'll need at least twice what you have written there because it's about 50% light.
Which of course means the same for your paperwinny. Which is too low at 30mg and should be 50mg. So you actually need 100mg to get the 50mg.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ulter, I thought the main supplier had fixed the problem by over-dosing his products to meet minimum requirements?

WI

[archive_Flash]

Cannon, IMO you should only be lifting no more than 2 days a week. One day should be focused on power and the other should be on explosiveness; another two days need to be dedicated to the bike. One day with a replication of your time trial and the other with Intervals with increasing duration over time.

Training should look something like this:

Day 1: Power
Front Squat (5-6 sets/6-4 reps)
Incline Bench (5-6 sets/6-4 reps)
Bent Rows (overhand grip5-6 sets/6-4 reps)

Day 2: Time trial on bike

Day 3: off or active recovery, or maintenece on swimming/running abilities

Day 4: Explosiveness
Power Clean and press (5-6 sets/6-4 reps)
Squat Jumps (wieghted 5-6 sets/6-4 reps)
Plyo Squat jumps (5 sets of 10)

Day 5: Intervals

Day 6 and 7: active recovery, or maintenece on swimming/running abilities

Run 350mg of proviron and 350mg of winny or anavar, anavar preffered, and 1mg of arimidex a day.

[CanonOfMan]

Based on what i've been told, I can't afford the anavar, however the others are still in reason. Have you had experience with something like you've said, 50mg/day of proviron and 50mg/day of winny with 1mg of arimidex. What were your goals if so, and the results.

[archive_Flash]

My favorite cycle of all time, as well as most productive, was 200mg of Upjohn test cyp per week and 1 Zambon(50mg of winstrol) a day. I didnt gain too much scale wieght, but my strength and explosiveness reached all time high's, as well as the leanest I have ever been.

check this outMy Favorite Cycle

The reason I suggest proviron over test in your application is to maintain libido, mood and drive while not having the potential to add mass that test does. If your doing 4-8 hour events then you dont want to carry an extra lb, because that significantly increases work load for the event.

( Front squats will be more productive because of your position on the bike; sitting vs. standing)

[njjackal]

this was posted by swollen a while ago....

Question:
I've heard that a lot of pro endurance athletes, especially cyclists, have started using steroids and other drugs to help them perform better. I thought only bodybuilders used them. What could steroids possibly do for endurance athletes?

Answer:
Certain steroids can have a profound effect on improving the performance of athletes involved in competitive endurance activities. One drug that I know is popular on the cycling scene (that's bicycling) is Equipoise because it offers several advantages to the endurance athlete. Equipoise was originally intended for use on horses (horses are also called equine, hence the name Equipoise) and has proven to be a very effective tool for speeding the rehabilitation from injury and improving the overall health of horses.

But it offers several advantages to the endurance athlete as well. Equipoise has a moderate androgenic effect and greatly accelerates tissue regeneration, allowing athletes to recover much faster than normal from hard workouts so they can train more frequently. Also, Equipoise increases aggression during workouts, driving an athlete to train (or race) with much higher intensity than normal. Athletes find that Equipoise allows them to push harder, for longer periods of time without feeling fatigued.

The oxygen capacity of endurance athletes improves significantly with the use of Equipoise because it stimulates erythropoiesis, the development and formation of red blood cells. Since red blood cells carry oxygen to cells of the body, an increase equates to faster delivery to body tissues, reducing the lactic acid build up resulting from anaerobic respiration or cells functioning without oxygen (when oxygen isn't available, muscle cells have to use the "anaerobic" pathway to produce energy for contraction, which produces lactic acid as a by-product). But, Equipoise is not the only substance offering this benefit. The drug Epogen has gained enormous popularity lately because it also causes erythropoiesis, but to a greater degree. In fact Epogen is one of the most abused substances among professional triathletes and cyclists today and has almost completely replaced blood doping as a method of increasing the concentration of red blood cells in the body.

Bodybuilders appreciate drugs causing erythropoiesis because the increased blood volume makes them feel "full", enhances vascularity and gives their muscles the "exploding through the skin" look.Even if bodybuilders don't do anything, they look better. But the performance enhancing effects of substances like Equipoise and Epogen have quickly made them the "drugs of choice" among endurance athletes. So you can see drugs are not just used by bodybuilders to get huge, they're a part of almost every high level athletic pursuit.


look into eq solo or maybe eq/winny. good luck.

[archive_MR. BMJ]

No bite here