Aquestion for those of you have had a little gyno come up....

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 04-22-2003, 07:49 AM

Say you got a little lump the size of say a BB maybe a little smaller than a pea. And you start taking your nolvadex and arrmidex. Will the soreness go away or will this stay with you as long as your on? Should you cut back doses at this point or just start up with the anti E's
and continue throughout. I have searched but Didn't really find the answers to these, most people just told others what to take. Thnaks for your time.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

Fukkenshredded · 04-22-2003, 07:58 AM

Gyno can flare up and disappear entirely. I have a very small lump under each nipple, but these disappear completely when I am off. They tend to reappear with test, even with anti-E's, but they only develop to the size they were when they first formed a couple of years ago. It is virtually unnoticeable, so I do not sweat it too much.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 04-22-2003, 08:13 AM

Does it continue to hurt the whole time its flared up? or what?

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

Fukkenshredded · 04-22-2003, 08:57 AM

For me, there is only pain for about two weeks. Then it just seems to stop in its tracks. I take Aromasin or Arimidex. They work about the same for me, so from this point on I will probably just use L-dex for financial reasons. I can feel the lumps right now, and they do not hurt, but three weeks ago they did.

archive_Killer · 04-22-2003, 09:08 AM

Mine flares up on cycle like FS. It pretty much disappears when off, and even when on never gets larger. Mine is never really sore, unless I go out of my way to pinch it or something.

archive_Ulter · 04-22-2003, 10:50 AM

You get the pea and it hurts until you make it go away with nolva or come off. Then it goes away until next time.

Dark Stalker · 04-22-2003, 11:20 AM

How about taking nolva throughout cycles to prevent lumps from appearing in the first place ?

If thats good, what wouild be the dosage to take ed ?

I took nolva in my cycle 10mg ed from day one and never felt anything..

Maybe I'm not prone to it or did the nolva could have worked ?

drk_diggler · 04-22-2003, 11:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dark Stalker:
How about taking nolva throughout cycles to prevent lumps from appearing in the first place ?

If thats good, what wouild be the dosage to take ed ?

I took nolva in my cycle 10mg ed from day one and never felt anything..

Maybe I'm not prone to it or did the nolva could have worked ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Normally you would use armidex or liquidex throughout a cycle to prevent gyno. Nolvadex hinders gains if taken throughout a cycle. But my personal opinion is i'd rather be a little smaller If it prevents me from having titts. I've never had signs of gyno but I still take 10 mgs of nolva ed just in case. Being a college student I dont have 300$ to spend on armidex.

The Golden Rule Is Fuck The Gold!!! He Who Has The Nickleplated Makes The Fucking Rules!!!

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 04-22-2003, 12:11 PM

Thanks allot all that replied, especially ulter. The pea size lump came out of nowhere on my friend on sunday. He was taking 1mg armidex per day. Since then he has taken 80mg of nolvadex ...sun, mon and today. Yesterday and today he said thst it felt way better, soreness has subsided allot, but lumps still there and a little sore. So should he stay on the 80mgs and liqudex till say saturday with 1 mg arrmidex per day, then cut back to 1mg of arrmidex and 20mg od nolva for the rest of the cycle. Thats what i had picked up from a few posts from the archives. Thnaks everyone.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

Triple J · 04-22-2003, 12:39 PM

I think thats a solid plan and if it does not totally resolve he may want to run some femara at some point - I had some lingering gyno but having recently switched to femara it seems to have quickly brought it under control

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 04-22-2003, 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Triple J:
I think thats a solid plan and if it does not totally resolve he may want to run some femara at some point - I had some lingering gyno but having recently switched to femara it seems to have quickly brought it under control<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah i had thought about that also, but he has a pretty good stock of nolva and arrmidex and was just trying to use what he had. I don't know of anywhere that he could get a small ammount of femara to use to quickly get it under control. So other than having him buy a whole bottle, i will try with what he has.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

archive_aahepp · 04-22-2003, 03:02 PM

Why not if you can get some just take Proviron during your entire cycle. Does this not let estrogen bind to any receptors at all. I would say at a dose around 40mg/day shoudl be fine. Hell I have heard people working with just 20mg/day

archive_Cyp · 04-22-2003, 06:22 PM

I have some gyno it was from androgens but mostly H-C-G. The soreness you feel is the estrogen build up. Once Breast tissue begins to form you SOL. I dont care what anyone says it does not go away with out surgery. Needless to say im trying to work my MD into getting it covered by my insurance....

If you nips are sore dont waste anytime get on some anti-e's. Sorness, manageble, lumps SOL!

archive_Killer · 04-23-2003, 07:54 AM

Cyp, let me clarify, mine just shrinks to virtually nothing when off, but, yes, it never totally goes away.

archive_Cyp · 04-23-2003, 08:28 AM

The fat cells shrink up, correct? The actuall tissue stays....I just know what I have and it sucks, and want people to beware. Mine was due to lack of knowledge of A/S in the beginning of my use a long time ago. As my chest got larger the more I noticed it further down the road. If only I had the A/F Board back in the day...

Cant wait to have the doctor dig the shit out....I think a lot of it has to do with genetics too.

harddtime · 04-24-2003, 05:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Cyp:
The fat cells shrink up, correct? The actuall tissue stays....I just know what I have and it sucks, and want people to beware. Mine was due to lack of knowledge of A/S in the beginning of my use a long time ago. As my chest got larger the more I noticed it further down the road. If only I had the A/F Board back in the day...

Cant wait to have the doctor dig the shit out....I think a lot of it has to do with genetics too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

cyp make sure it's nadler, he's expensive but def worth the money.

- harddtime

archive_Cyp · 04-24-2003, 06:21 PM

Well I was trying to work my MD, in saying I needed so I wouldnt have to pay anything. I was told by a NP that if I complain about it hurting that they should cover it. Plus it can lead to cancer. Just have to emblish the story. "Dr. it just keeps on getting bigger and it really hurt, can you do something please?" "Surgery? Thats the only solution, well you now best."

archive_Killer · 04-25-2003, 07:13 AM

Cyp,
If you complain, they will probally take it out, of course it was from puberty, right

I went to my HMO for nolva cause mine was hurting (no gear for 1.5 years). They could not give me nolva, but plucked it out instead. But, it came back. Sorry for those that have been around a while and have read this story before.

archive_Cyp · 04-25-2003, 10:12 AM

You Got it Killer, Its just keeps on getting worse as I get older...

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 05-12-2003, 01:58 PM

How long should it take for the soreness to go away? He has stopped the test he was taking and the lumps not getting any bigger, maybe a little smaller since stopping test. But he says its still sore if you push on it or lay on it. He has been takeing letrozole, arrmidex and nolvadex, and clomid now since hes soming off....any advice?

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

archive_Ulter · 05-12-2003, 02:41 PM

He should just keep doing what he's doing. Not freak, and wait.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 05-12-2003, 03:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
He should just keep doing what he's doing. Not freak, and wait.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks once agian ulter.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

tooms021 · 05-13-2003, 09:03 AM

do u always feel pain in the nipple? can u get gyno without feeling any discomfort at all? my bodyfat is going up because i'm bulking but i notice there's more fat around my nipple..but no soreness at all...is this just increased fat overall or is it gyno?

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER · 05-13-2003, 12:32 PM

Sounds like estrogenic fat deposits to me, allot of peoples chest tends to get a little fatter ona a cycle. If you get gyno or start getting it you will know, there won;t be a doubt, it will hurt if anything touches your nipple.

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

04-22-2003, 07:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	Aquestion for those of you have had a little gyno come up.... Say you got a little lump the size of say a BB maybe a little smaller than a pea. And you start taking your nolvadex and arrmidex. Will the soreness go away or will this stay with you as long as your on? Should you cut back doses at this point or just start up with the anti E's and continue throughout. I have searched but Didn't really find the answers to these, most people just told others what to take. Thnaks for your time. EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

04-22-2003, 10:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	You get the pea and it hurts until you make it go away with nolva or come off. Then it goes away until next time. __________________

04-22-2003, 11:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
drk_diggler Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 250 Rep Power: 4583	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dark Stalker: How about taking nolva throughout cycles to prevent lumps from appearing in the first place ? If thats good, what wouild be the dosage to take ed ? I took nolva in my cycle 10mg ed from day one and never felt anything.. Maybe I'm not prone to it or did the nolva could have worked ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Normally you would use armidex or liquidex throughout a cycle to prevent gyno. Nolvadex hinders gains if taken throughout a cycle. But my personal opinion is i'd rather be a little smaller If it prevents me from having titts. I've never had signs of gyno but I still take 10 mgs of nolva ed just in case. Being a college student I dont have 300$ to spend on armidex. The Golden Rule Is Fuck The Gold!!! He Who Has The Nickleplated Makes The Fucking Rules!!! __________________ The Golden Rule Is Fuck The Gold!!! He Who Has The Nickleplated Makes The Fucking Rules!!!

04-22-2003, 01:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Triple J: I think thats a solid plan and if it does not totally resolve he may want to run some femara at some point - I had some lingering gyno but having recently switched to femara it seems to have quickly brought it under control<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah i had thought about that also, but he has a pretty good stock of nolva and arrmidex and was just trying to use what he had. I don't know of anywhere that he could get a small ammount of femara to use to quickly get it under control. So other than having him buy a whole bottle, i will try with what he has. EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

04-24-2003, 05:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
harddtime Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 6223	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cyp: The fat cells shrink up, correct? The actuall tissue stays....I just know what I have and it sucks, and want people to beware. Mine was due to lack of knowledge of A/S in the beginning of my use a long time ago. As my chest got larger the more I noticed it further down the road. If only I had the A/F Board back in the day... Cant wait to have the doctor dig the shit out....I think a lot of it has to do with genetics too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> cyp make sure it's nadler, he's expensive but def worth the money. - harddtime __________________ - harddtime

04-22-2003, 07:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fukkenshredded Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 13713	Gyno can flare up and disappear entirely. I have a very small lump under each nipple, but these disappear completely when I am off. They tend to reappear with test, even with anti-E's, but they only develop to the size they were when they first formed a couple of years ago. It is virtually unnoticeable, so I do not sweat it too much.

04-22-2003, 08:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	Does it continue to hurt the whole time its flared up? or what? EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

04-22-2003, 08:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
Fukkenshredded Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 13713	For me, there is only pain for about two weeks. Then it just seems to stop in its tracks. I take Aromasin or Arimidex. They work about the same for me, so from this point on I will probably just use L-dex for financial reasons. I can feel the lumps right now, and they do not hurt, but three weeks ago they did.

04-22-2003, 09:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
archive_Killer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,195 Rep Power: 7940	Mine flares up on cycle like FS. It pretty much disappears when off, and even when on never gets larger. Mine is never really sore, unless I go out of my way to pinch it or something.

04-22-2003, 11:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dark Stalker Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 4239	How about taking nolva throughout cycles to prevent lumps from appearing in the first place ? If thats good, what wouild be the dosage to take ed ? I took nolva in my cycle 10mg ed from day one and never felt anything.. Maybe I'm not prone to it or did the nolva could have worked ?

04-22-2003, 12:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	Thanks allot all that replied, especially ulter. The pea size lump came out of nowhere on my friend on sunday. He was taking 1mg armidex per day. Since then he has taken 80mg of nolvadex ...sun, mon and today. Yesterday and today he said thst it felt way better, soreness has subsided allot, but lumps still there and a little sore. So should he stay on the 80mgs and liqudex till say saturday with 1 mg arrmidex per day, then cut back to 1mg of arrmidex and 20mg od nolva for the rest of the cycle. Thats what i had picked up from a few posts from the archives. Thnaks everyone. EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

04-22-2003, 12:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Triple J Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 4439	I think thats a solid plan and if it does not totally resolve he may want to run some femara at some point - I had some lingering gyno but having recently switched to femara it seems to have quickly brought it under control

04-22-2003, 03:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
archive_aahepp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 250 Rep Power: 6215	Why not if you can get some just take Proviron during your entire cycle. Does this not let estrogen bind to any receptors at all. I would say at a dose around 40mg/day shoudl be fine. Hell I have heard people working with just 20mg/day

04-22-2003, 06:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 6069	I have some gyno it was from androgens but mostly H-C-G. The soreness you feel is the estrogen build up. Once Breast tissue begins to form you SOL. I dont care what anyone says it does not go away with out surgery. Needless to say im trying to work my MD into getting it covered by my insurance.... If you nips are sore dont waste anytime get on some anti-e's. Sorness, manageble, lumps SOL!

04-23-2003, 07:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
archive_Killer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,195 Rep Power: 7940	Cyp, let me clarify, mine just shrinks to virtually nothing when off, but, yes, it never totally goes away.

04-23-2003, 08:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 6069	The fat cells shrink up, correct? The actuall tissue stays....I just know what I have and it sucks, and want people to beware. Mine was due to lack of knowledge of A/S in the beginning of my use a long time ago. As my chest got larger the more I noticed it further down the road. If only I had the A/F Board back in the day... Cant wait to have the doctor dig the shit out....I think a lot of it has to do with genetics too.

04-24-2003, 06:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 6069	Well I was trying to work my MD, in saying I needed so I wouldnt have to pay anything. I was told by a NP that if I complain about it hurting that they should cover it. Plus it can lead to cancer. Just have to emblish the story. "Dr. it just keeps on getting bigger and it really hurt, can you do something please?" "Surgery? Thats the only solution, well you now best."

04-25-2003, 07:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
archive_Killer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,195 Rep Power: 7940	Cyp, If you complain, they will probally take it out, of course it was from puberty, right I went to my HMO for nolva cause mine was hurting (no gear for 1.5 years). They could not give me nolva, but plucked it out instead. But, it came back. Sorry for those that have been around a while and have read this story before.

04-25-2003, 10:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 6069	You Got it Killer, Its just keeps on getting worse as I get older...

05-12-2003, 01:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	How long should it take for the soreness to go away? He has stopped the test he was taking and the lumps not getting any bigger, maybe a little smaller since stopping test. But he says its still sore if you push on it or lay on it. He has been takeing letrozole, arrmidex and nolvadex, and clomid now since hes soming off....any advice? EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

05-12-2003, 02:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	He should just keep doing what he's doing. Not freak, and wait. __________________

05-12-2003, 03:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: He should just keep doing what he's doing. Not freak, and wait.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks once agian ulter. EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

05-13-2003, 09:03 AM	#23 (permalink)
tooms021 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 4173	do u always feel pain in the nipple? can u get gyno without feeling any discomfort at all? my bodyfat is going up because i'm bulking but i notice there's more fat around my nipple..but no soreness at all...is this just increased fat overall or is it gyno?

05-13-2003, 12:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 5770	Sounds like estrogenic fat deposits to me, allot of peoples chest tends to get a little fatter ona a cycle. If you get gyno or start getting it you will know, there won;t be a doubt, it will hurt if anything touches your nipple. EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER