For Global Warming Skeptics

Harleymarleybone · 03-14-2008, 09:26 AM

The science appears to have serious problems.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...5001/home.html

fite4$ · 03-14-2008, 09:38 AM

Repent, son, and kneel at the altar of global warming. Never in the history of man has science been wrong, we all know that.

DrewDog · 03-14-2008, 09:51 AM

I dont' care if global warming is a crock, pollution is hurting us all (anybody who lives in a big city and has to deal with smog or has been afraid to get in the water because of the chem that might be in it knows this) and something needs to be done. The sooner the better.

Not too mention, the world is consuming natural resources and we need to get better at conserving them for future generations

Ulter · 03-14-2008, 09:54 AM

I know him. He's the editor that defended Exxon's CEO getting a $190,000 a day compensation package. Still getting your information from those unbiases sources I see.

Harleymarleybone · 03-14-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulter

I know him. He's the editor that defended Exxon's CEO getting a $190,000 a day compensation package. Still getting your information from those unbiases sources I see.

What do you mean, you know "him?" It was a panel of statisticians, not a "him": "A panel of statisticians chaired by Edward J. Wegman, of George Mason University, found significant problems with the methods of statistical analysis used by the researchers and with the IPCC's peer review process."

If you just mean Burnett, big deal. How does his reporting it discount the results of the panel? That's like saying if you posted the IPCC research, we should reject it because you are biased.

Harleymarleybone · 03-14-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DrewDog

I dont' care if global warming is a crock, pollution is hurting us all (anybody who lives in a big city and has to deal with smog or has been afraid to get in the water because of the chem that might be in it knows this) and something needs to be done. The sooner the better.

Not too mention, the world is consuming natural resources and we need to get better at conserving them for future generations

Yes, but you appear to be ignoring the fact that the fear-mongering global warming rhetoric could lead politicians to make laws that hurt more people than they help - over-react to the problem. Say, for example, you build big sea walls to stop the rising of the sea predicted by the IPCC- and it never happens. Or say the faulty sea level predictions bring down real estate values around the relevant coastlines. People who plan and build infrastructure are right now shaping their plans around such predictions. If they are false, quite a waste, right?

Ulter · 03-14-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Harleymarleybone

What do you mean, you know "him?" It was a panel of statisticians, not a "him": "A panel of statisticians chaired by Edward J. Wegman, of George Mason University, found significant problems with the methods of statistical analysis used by the researchers and with the IPCC's peer review process."

If you just mean Burnett, big deal. How does his reporting it discount the results of the panel? That's like saying if you posted the IPCC research, we should reject it because you are biased.

Because he's doing what he always does. Cherry picking his facts to fit the outcome he wants. He's been on FOX with this same junk for two years. He's paid by the oil companies. My faith in his judgment ends there.

I've never seen a study that was not open to criticism by those opposed to it's conclusions. Designs and Methods are argued this way all the time. That doesn't make them wrong.

Harleymarleybone · 03-14-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulter

Because he's doing what he always does. Cherry picking his facts to fit the outcome he wants. He's been on FOX with this same junk for two years. He's paid by the oil companies. My faith in his judgment ends there.

I've never seen a study that was not open to criticism by those opposed to it's conclusions. Designs and Methods are argued this way all the time. That doesn't make them wrong.

It does not make them right either.

Burnett did not cherry pick. Here is Wegman's testimony to Congress below. There are also many other independent reports of his conclusions by people other than Burnett, and, "in testimony to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Ralph Cicerone, stated his belief that Dr. Wegman was well qualified to make the statements in his report."

Testimony of Edward J. Wegman I would like to begin by circumscribing the substance of our report.

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Mickey · 03-14-2008, 03:50 PM

On a side note, I saw on the news the other day that Exxon's profits have gone up to $5 million an hour!!! The oil industry has gotten out of control.

cipherkingtoo · 03-14-2008, 04:27 PM

theres not one person on this planet that can tell me we are not fucking up our enviroment with pollutants. I developed asthma and all kinda sinus problems out of nowhere. more and more kids are getting allergies and asthma. there is a problem.

LanT · 03-14-2008, 04:39 PM

Whether or not it's true, we should all tread lightly on our planet. We respect our bodies, why not our earth? A little respect goes a long way....always.

Harleymarleybone · 03-14-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey

On a side note, I saw on the news the other day that Exxon's profits have gone up to $5 million an hour!!! The oil industry has gotten out of control.

Why is that bad? Lots of investments are made with those profits which put people to work; ordinary people's pensions and IRA's and investments and insurance and loans and many other things depend on profits from Exxon and other companies like Exxon.

Bjaarki · 03-15-2008, 05:11 AM

Yeah yeah. Smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, evolution didn't happen, and the science showing that the earth is a globe is seriously flawed. I mean, just look out you're fucking window, for God's sake. Especially if you live in Jesusland somewhere. That land is flat, bro. FLAT !!! End of story.

It's so funny that those who listen to The Noise Machine are flat-earthers. We are churning millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere every day, and somehow none of that has an impact. Yeah right.

Harley, the only reason you still think the earth is flat is because The Noise Machine is supported by the energy lobby (and others of similar values) and tells you umpty dozen times a day that the earth is flat. I know perfectly well, and so do you, that if The Noise Machine were silent on this issue, you wouldn't give a rat's ass about it.

There is no other way to account for the nearly perfect correlation between Red State "conservative" political affiliation and the belief that the earth is flat. Propoganda accounts for it all.

And it's not worth arguing.

Bjaarki

solidspine · 03-15-2008, 07:43 AM

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water because of the chem

Don’t be such a woos,

Hospital waste in the surf, you know needles, scalpels, they are much more of a nuisance.

What air pollution, who would want to breath air you can not even see, you think that is safe?

Try out Beijing all the friken way to Chongqing, they model them selves after, Gary, Indiana and Toledo,

Zero emission standards, but who cares 75 percent of adult men smoke cigarette's

Some other bargains Mexico City and Calcutta Oh and don’t miss Delhi-0 garden of Eden.

Drinking water, skip the boundary waters in Minnesota or Canada,

Trying drinking from the Ganges, or the Yanzinge, Oh don’t go near either one if you are smoking, both you and the river will catch on fire.

solidspine · 03-15-2008, 07:49 AM

Thought we kind of needed carbon and hydrogen and oxygen to breathe,

But who really needs to breathe,

Plus

How would you make carbon paper without carbon,

Do people still use carbon paper, and most

important

Carbon, don’t diamonds come from carbon, so the more carbon we produce the lower the price of diamonds.

Supply and demand, who said that, Milton Freidman?

Lumberjack5.0 · 03-15-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjaarki

Harley, the only reason you still think the earth is flat is because The Noise Machine is supported by the energy lobby (and others of similar values) and tells you umpty dozen times a day that the earth is flat. I know perfectly well, and so do you, that if The Noise Machine were silent on this issue, you wouldn't give a rat's ass about it.

You din't provide a shred of evidence that what he posted is invald...you just spewed a bile-filled rant about how much you hate the right. How is this useful in this discussion?

Harleymarleybone · 03-15-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjaarki

Yeah yeah. Smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, evolution didn't happen, and the science showing that the earth is a globe is seriously flawed. I mean, just look out you're fucking window, for God's sake. Especially if you live in Jesusland somewhere. That land is flat, bro. FLAT !!! End of story.

It's so funny that those who listen to The Noise Machine are flat-earthers. We are churning millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere every day, and somehow none of that has an impact. Yeah right.

Harley, the only reason you still think the earth is flat is because The Noise Machine is supported by the energy lobby (and others of similar values) and tells you umpty dozen times a day that the earth is flat. I know perfectly well, and so do you, that if The Noise Machine were silent on this issue, you wouldn't give a rat's ass about it.

There is no other way to account for the nearly perfect correlation between Red State "conservative" political affiliation and the belief that the earth is flat. Propoganda accounts for it all.

And it's not worth arguing.

Bjaarki

Wow, your febrile brain harbors lots of misconceptions and stereotypes. Actually I am an atheist, and I also believe evolution is a fact. So you don't have a clue. Your responses, on the other hand seem to follow the knee-jerk, cookie cutter reactions of the liberal noise machine to any critique of their sacred dogmas

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fite4$ Gold Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 378 Rep Power: 18697	Repent, son, and kneel at the altar of global warming. Never in the history of man has science been wrong, we all know that.

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03-15-2008, 07:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
solidspine Retired Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,622 Rep Power: 0	Thought we kind of needed carbon and hydrogen and oxygen to breathe, But who really needs to breathe, Plus How would you make carbon paper without carbon, Do people still use carbon paper, and most important Carbon, don’t diamonds come from carbon, so the more carbon we produce the lower the price of diamonds. Supply and demand, who said that, Milton Freidman?