taking the plunge again, need some advice before I start

southpaw · 03-20-2003, 01:35 PM

About to start a prop, d-bol cycle. Taking the dbol 40mg a day for weeks 1-6 and the prop 100mgs eod weeks 1-8. Thinking of trying to bulk while on the dbol, and then starting fina 75mg eod for weeks 7-10. Would be bulking weeks 1-6 and then immediaely cutting for weeks 7-10. No cardio for the bulking high calorie diet, reduce calories to 1800 per day for the remaining 4 weeks with the fina, and also heavy cardio. weight 194, bf 16%, 4th cycle, 22 years old 6' tall. I will also be taking l'dex throughout .5 mg. What do you think.

archive_Ulter · 03-20-2003, 01:42 PM

One life's simple pleasures is the amount of food you can eat while cutting with tren. There is no need to drop that low. You can easily use the tren to cut on 2400-3000 calories.

southpaw · 03-20-2003, 02:20 PM

Sorry, I actually meant to post 150mg eod for 4 weeks. Ulter don't you think that with the tren it would still be beneficial to drop calories in order to cut even more?

southpaw · 03-20-2003, 03:25 PM

bump,Iknow ulters advice is the best but I wanted to hear frommore of you guys

drk_diggler · 03-20-2003, 03:42 PM

Why not run the tren throughout the whole cycle.

South of the border · 03-20-2003, 10:02 PM

My suggestion to you would be a "lean bulking" cycle of tren and test prop. That simple.

If tren did not give me such a bad time with gyno (I am very sensitive) it would be my favorite product by far.

archive_Ulter · 03-21-2003, 06:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by southpaw:
Sorry, I actually meant to post 150mg eod for 4 weeks. Ulter don't you think that with the tren it would still be beneficial to drop calories in order to cut even more?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you'll cut even more but at some point, for me it's about 2400 calories, you reach a point of diminishing returns. Tren will hold on to your gains for you, no question, but even tren has it's limits. You will lose muscle even with tren if there are too few calories. The best answer of course it to just try it. Go to 1800 and see if you start losing strength. You may not in such a short time of 4 weeks.

archive_Killer · 03-21-2003, 07:39 AM

Like Ulter said, try it. I often go as low as 1800 on tren, but have a couple cheat meals a week (mmm... cheat meals) and don't loose strength or a lot of muscle.

03-20-2003, 01:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
southpaw Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 184 Rep Power: 5353	taking the plunge again, need some advice before I start About to start a prop, d-bol cycle. Taking the dbol 40mg a day for weeks 1-6 and the prop 100mgs eod weeks 1-8. Thinking of trying to bulk while on the dbol, and then starting fina 75mg eod for weeks 7-10. Would be bulking weeks 1-6 and then immediaely cutting for weeks 7-10. No cardio for the bulking high calorie diet, reduce calories to 1800 per day for the remaining 4 weeks with the fina, and also heavy cardio. weight 194, bf 16%, 4th cycle, 22 years old 6' tall. I will also be taking l'dex throughout .5 mg. What do you think.

03-20-2003, 01:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	One life's simple pleasures is the amount of food you can eat while cutting with tren. There is no need to drop that low. You can easily use the tren to cut on 2400-3000 calories. __________________

03-20-2003, 03:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
drk_diggler Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 250 Rep Power: 4583	Why not run the tren throughout the whole cycle. __________________ The Golden Rule Is Fuck The Gold!!! He Who Has The Nickleplated Makes The Fucking Rules!!!

03-21-2003, 06:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by southpaw: Sorry, I actually meant to post 150mg eod for 4 weeks. Ulter don't you think that with the tren it would still be beneficial to drop calories in order to cut even more?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes you'll cut even more but at some point, for me it's about 2400 calories, you reach a point of diminishing returns. Tren will hold on to your gains for you, no question, but even tren has it's limits. You will lose muscle even with tren if there are too few calories. The best answer of course it to just try it. Go to 1800 and see if you start losing strength. You may not in such a short time of 4 weeks. __________________

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03-20-2003, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
southpaw Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 184 Rep Power: 5353	Sorry, I actually meant to post 150mg eod for 4 weeks. Ulter don't you think that with the tren it would still be beneficial to drop calories in order to cut even more?

03-20-2003, 03:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
southpaw Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 184 Rep Power: 5353	bump,Iknow ulters advice is the best but I wanted to hear frommore of you guys

03-20-2003, 10:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	My suggestion to you would be a "lean bulking" cycle of tren and test prop. That simple. If tren did not give me such a bad time with gyno (I am very sensitive) it would be my favorite product by far.

03-21-2003, 07:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Killer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,195 Rep Power: 7940	Like Ulter said, try it. I often go as low as 1800 on tren, but have a couple cheat meals a week (mmm... cheat meals) and don't loose strength or a lot of muscle.

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