Long term diuretic use...(?)

Monster · 03-18-2003, 07:03 AM

Im curious as to if there is a diuretic that is safe and wise to use long term? After three years of continuous use (of gear, not diuretics) I have noticed a little water retention. Nothing major, and not really even a problem per se, a little in my hands when they are hanging down (incidently, my father and mother always had problems with the same thing) and Im sure a little bit elsewhere.

Being of the "if its not broke dont fix it" mind set, I dont think I would care to use an anti estrogen to fix this. I dont have any other estrogen related sides, and (IMO) estrogen is needed by the body just as testosterone is, so eradicating what could be the "correct" amount of estrogen may throw everything off for me.

So Im wondering what diuretics are the best selection.
OTC ones are out of the question, as they require you to control water intake to be effective, and other than preshow, I feel water intake should be kept high!

Any thoughts/suggestions?

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"Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

archive_Ulter · 03-18-2003, 07:19 AM

No bro, I don't agree with your thinking. You are getting older (who isn't?), you have been on for years, and your body is going to have a harder and harder time dealing with estrogen. You have to cave and get rid of it. Don't attack the symptoms, get rid of the cause.

South of the border · 03-18-2003, 07:31 AM

I agree with Ulter. The water retention is most probably the consequence of excess estrogen. I think its time for you to try a low dose of anti estrogen.

Also, long term diurectic use can't be good for you.

Mister B. · 03-18-2003, 08:22 AM

There's a good article in MMI (along with a cool article by GoPro called Hypertropy Hints) about estrogen and the role it plays in mens' bodies. It talks about the need to control it and lists some pretty good natural anti-estrogen foods. It's quite an interesting read...

B

PS - not all OTC diuretics require water restriction. Like Ulter said, why treat the symptom? Attack the source.

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"... my mom says I'm cool..."
-- Milhouse

Monster · 03-18-2003, 01:05 PM

*sigh* yeah, I guess I should...
...getting older... *sigh*

Heh heh, anyway, it was bound to happen I guess! So whaddaya think, is Nolvadex too mild? I always have Nolvadex on hand just in case I ever needed it... mabye the time has come???

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"Trying is the first step towards failure."

"Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

archive_Ulter · 03-18-2003, 04:00 PM

Nolva's ok. You should get liquidex though and use it EOD.

Monster · 03-18-2003, 09:03 PM

Liquidex is a little taxing on the wallet for me... but mabye if I luck into it cheap or hit the lottery or rob someone or mabye a bag of money will fall off of an armored car...

Hmmm, rob someone huh... *rubs hand together in a sinister fashion*

-------------------------

"Trying is the first step towards failure."

"Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

South of the border · 03-18-2003, 10:13 PM

No need to rob old ladies yet

Nolvadex should do fine since your symptoms are quite mild.

Monster · 03-19-2003, 01:56 PM

All these years in the game, and still an anti estrogen rookie...

-------------------------

"Trying is the first step towards failure."

"Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try."

archive_the truth · 03-21-2003, 12:10 AM

Generic anastrazole can be found pretty cheap.

Tomo · 03-21-2003, 08:09 PM

Since some diuretics are prescribed as blood pressure meds, wouldn't those be safe for long term use. (the potassium sparing ones at least?)

03-18-2003, 07:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	Long term diuretic use...(?) Im curious as to if there is a diuretic that is safe and wise to use long term? After three years of continuous use (of gear, not diuretics) I have noticed a little water retention. Nothing major, and not really even a problem per se, a little in my hands when they are hanging down (incidently, my father and mother always had problems with the same thing) and Im sure a little bit elsewhere. Being of the "if its not broke dont fix it" mind set, I dont think I would care to use an anti estrogen to fix this. I dont have any other estrogen related sides, and (IMO) estrogen is needed by the body just as testosterone is, so eradicating what could be the "correct" amount of estrogen may throw everything off for me. So Im wondering what diuretics are the best selection. OTC ones are out of the question, as they require you to control water intake to be effective, and other than preshow, I feel water intake should be kept high! Any thoughts/suggestions? ------------------------- "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot; - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

03-18-2003, 07:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	No bro, I don't agree with your thinking. You are getting older (who isn't?), you have been on for years, and your body is going to have a harder and harder time dealing with estrogen. You have to cave and get rid of it. Don't attack the symptoms, get rid of the cause. __________________

03-18-2003, 08:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mister B. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 5510	There's a good article in MMI (along with a cool article by GoPro called Hypertropy Hints) about estrogen and the role it plays in mens' bodies. It talks about the need to control it and lists some pretty good natural anti-estrogen foods. It's quite an interesting read... B PS - not all OTC diuretics require water restriction. Like Ulter said, why treat the symptom? Attack the source. --------------------- "... my mom says I'm cool..." -- Milhouse __________________ --------------------- &quot;Um... I checked around. The girls are calling you &quot;fatty-fat fat fat&quot;, and Nelson&apos;s planning to pull down your pants, but ... nobody&apos;s trying to kill ya.&quot; &quot; -- Milhouse

03-18-2003, 01:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	sigh yeah, I guess I should... ...getting older... sigh Heh heh, anyway, it was bound to happen I guess! So whaddaya think, is Nolvadex too mild? I always have Nolvadex on hand just in case I ever needed it... mabye the time has come??? ------------------------- "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot; - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

03-18-2003, 04:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Nolva's ok. You should get liquidex though and use it EOD. __________________

03-18-2003, 07:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	I agree with Ulter. The water retention is most probably the consequence of excess estrogen. I think its time for you to try a low dose of anti estrogen. Also, long term diurectic use can't be good for you.

03-18-2003, 09:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	Liquidex is a little taxing on the wallet for me... but mabye if I luck into it cheap or hit the lottery or rob someone or mabye a bag of money will fall off of an armored car... Hmmm, rob someone huh... rubs hand together in a sinister fashion ------------------------- "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot; - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

03-18-2003, 10:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	No need to rob old ladies yet Nolvadex should do fine since your symptoms are quite mild.

03-19-2003, 01:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	All these years in the game, and still an anti estrogen rookie... ------------------------- "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot; - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

03-21-2003, 12:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
archive_the truth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 579 Rep Power: 6354	Generic anastrazole can be found pretty cheap.

03-21-2003, 08:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tomo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 5788	Since some diuretics are prescribed as blood pressure meds, wouldn't those be safe for long term use. (the potassium sparing ones at least?)

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